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DJExile posted:mods new thread title please yeah I'm still chuckling at that... jesus Wayne, post more
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They should just get rid of the offside rule who gives a poo poo
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Nov 10, 2022 17:36
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one way would also be to eliminate the forward pass that i, as a traditionalist, must advocate
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Nov 10, 2022 17:44
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Jamwad Hilder posted:So much of NHL refereeing is subjective. I am all for keeping offsides, I think the spirit of the rule is to discourage cherrypicking and stuff like that, which is good. I don't think scrutinizing whether there's a small bit of ice between a player's skate and the blue line is a good use of time and the reason why offsides need to be enforced. If the question is "how do we get fans less mad and protect the integrity of the game-watching experience" then I think adding subjectivity into what is right now a very clear rule isn't the way Ginette Reno posted:I just really don't like the offsides calls where it happened like 45 seconds ago and it stops a cool goal from being scored. And I absolutely despise how every goal is scored there's a coach just hunched over the bench looking at a replay to see if they can challenge. It takes all the air out of goals being scored because you're always sitting there half wondering if someone was offsides by a millimeter a minute and a half ago. It loving sucks when all that happens, I'm not trying to say it's good. I'm just saying that the player who went offside 45 seconds before a goal was scored should share a lot more of the blame than they do currently. Like, it's odd that when one of these goals gets called back everyone immediately wants the league to change a fundamental rule of the game, or take away their ability to call it correctly, instead of just posting about how some random forward is a dumbass for making a bad play
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Theres multiple things to enjoy about hockey. On one hand you have sick poo poo like different various clappers, guys getting their groin speared and rolling around crying, beaking off, guys going around fast like race cars and deking guys asses off, tackling, punching each other, blowing up the goalie and he might be dead, etc., etc., and on the other hand you have correct accuracy of technical verified via forensic review in offsite HQ using advanced technique and we just wait for it and look at the wall being calm and silent while rule violation is correctly verified. and Theyre equally important to the enjoyment of the game
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Nov 10, 2022 17:54
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Just reviewing it on goal scoring plays is already subjective though, it's a very specific review interpretation. It's not reviewed on plays that lead to a penalty, or a defensive zone draw, or for any other reason. rear end in a top hat 1's offside that leads a to a defensive zone penalty that leads to a goal is gonna count 100% of the time. So if you're already allowing for some amount of subjectivity, then it would be very easy to limit offsides reviews to plays that directly lead to a goal. IE - player is involved in the scoring play and the goal is within 10 seconds of the offsides. That or get rid of it because who gives a poo poo I'm sick of seeing Sutter hunched over his bench like a goblin looking into an ipad T-Bone fucked around with this message at 17:58 on Nov 10, 2022 |
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Nov 10, 2022 17:55
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The whole point of the offsides rule is to eliminate cherry picking, not if a dude mistimes a zone entry by half a second I don't know how to rewrite the rule where a bad zone entry isn't offside anymore, but it would be better I think
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Nov 10, 2022 17:59
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Also and this is just anecdotal but I'm pretty sure linesmen are leaning way the gently caress more into "this is onside" because of the review rule, knowing that if they're wrong it's gonna get fixed anyway so why prevent a scoring play? I guess one of the few game flow benefits from this dumb rear end review system
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Nov 10, 2022 18:01
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:The whole point of the offsides rule is to eliminate cherry picking, not if a dude mistimes a zone entry by half a second They do that in soccer with an offside position or an offside offense. It leads to more arguments than having a line painted on the ice does.
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Nov 10, 2022 18:02
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xzzy posted:The game is wayyyy more fun when there's human error in the officiating. Explain this one to me because I absolutely don’t agree on the face of it. Edit: the review process in all sports sucks but it could actually be made good if the leagues didn’t insist on making it in to a theatrical production.
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Nov 10, 2022 18:11
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The offside rule exists because of that time Matt Duchene was literally 6 feet offside. The stuff that gets called back was perfectly fine before and nobody cared. The Colorado Avalanche ruined hockey. Also lol no, NHL players have not been taught to respect the line their whole lives. Until they get to the pros there are no resources to manage that well, you cheat the lines all the time. If you're not cheating, you're not trying.
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Nov 10, 2022 18:23
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you should only get 10-15 seconds after a goal is scored to make a challenge. it happened in the Leafs-Knights game the other night that the refs kept going over to Bruce Cassidy seeing if he wanted to challenge, him taking a timeout and then deciding not to challenge. boring as hell! make the decision to challenge if you think it’s a close play or get out of here already!
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Nov 10, 2022 18:35
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As a predators fan, I personally am the biggest victim on earth of the egregious Duchene offsides and imo it was hilarious.
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Nov 10, 2022 18:37
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There should be a hard line for the rule but if a review takes longer than 60 seconds just stick to the call on the ice. If it takes that much effort to decide if the call was correct you're not 100% anyway
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Nov 10, 2022 18:37
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Replay official gets 30 seconds to watch the replay a couple times at real time speed. If it's not 100.00% obvious the call was wrong then it stands and we all move on with our lives. That's the obvious and natural way to do it. No sport does it. The owners it's better for their financial interests to do it the way they're doing it.
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Nov 10, 2022 18:46
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Koopa Kid posted:It loving sucks when all that happens, I'm not trying to say it's good. I'm just saying that the player who went offside 45 seconds before a goal was scored should share a lot more of the blame than they do currently. I guess my contention is that being offsides by like 0.2 seconds isn't "a bad play". It's totally within reason and oftentimes no one can say the player is offside until they dissect the video from multiple angles. Being 6 feet offside is a bad play.
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Nov 10, 2022 18:50
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Explain this one to me because I absolutely don’t agree on the face of it. Because sports are an analog thing and humans are imperfect, there's variance in every play. Rules are important to define the structure of the sport and prevents it from turning into calvinball, but despite everyone generally trying to follow those rules fuckups will happen and the officiating should tolerate human variability. Screeching the action to a halt so a crew can squint at a looping clip is a waste of everyone's time. It's unrealistic to expect centimeter precision from athletes, and the officiating shouldn't be centimeter accurate either. If a ref can't spot offsides at game speed then I opine it has no impact on the outcome of the game.
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https://twitter.com/mark_scheig/status/1590741123114631168?t=psaiXpeXR340d2SfppVgrA&s=19
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQLnVgyeUD0
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I just want goddamn consistency. legitimately agree that offsides should just be fine. you should be allowed to slash one person as hard as you can per game.
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Nov 10, 2022 19:12
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https://twitter.com/citizenkwarren/status/1590767492468998147?s=46&t=5ypyFtMuOcj2mF9I0pbb-w Weird seeing a Blues legend working for another org
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Nov 10, 2022 19:21
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The Dirty Burger posted:https://twitter.com/citizenkwarren/status/1590767492468998147?s=46&t=5ypyFtMuOcj2mF9I0pbb-w They're sister organizations.
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Nov 10, 2022 19:24
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The Golden Man posted:In the past couple games I've noticed some pretty crazy non-calls - some fuckin Flame catching the puck in the d zone out of the air and straight up Tom Bradying it down the ice or the funny one the other day after Foegele blasted some bitch in the numbers and the other lightning dude got mad and confused and dropped the gloves and started wailing on Kailer Yamamoto who had gently caress all to do with it with no call. Twice in the panthers game, McCarron dropped the gloves and throwing fists against someone who wasn't fighting him, one against someone who wasn't expecting it. One was over a completely missed hit because the guy fell before he got hit. Yeah, okay, keep your fighting when both players are up to it, but if a 6'6" dude drops the gloves and starts wailing on people when he gets mad, that seems like more than a 2 minute roughing problem.
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Nov 10, 2022 19:25
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Aphrodite posted:They're sister organizations. alright that's pretty good
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Nov 10, 2022 19:25
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:The whole point of the offsides rule is to eliminate cherry picking, not if a dude mistimes a zone entry by half a second
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Nov 10, 2022 19:27
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Give each team a designated cherry picker but they're only onside if it's a tape to tape 3 line pass.
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Nov 10, 2022 19:32
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mennoknight posted:I just want goddamn consistency. legitimately agree that offsides should just be fine. you should be allowed to slash one person as hard as you can per game. A 'fair call' rule, but for violence.
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Charlie McAvoy is back for the Bruins, which is great because they weren't good enough already.
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Nov 10, 2022 19:37
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Aphrodite posted:They're sister organizations.
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This rules.
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tarbrush posted:I've been very impressed with Cassidy. He's been good about trying new things a few at a time and reverting if they're not working (broke up the Misfits and then put them back together). His defensive system is limiting other teams to outside shots and also generating a lot of turnovers. I'm glad that a lot of the things that were up in the air before the season started (Stone's back surgery, Eichel's top end after his surgery, Lehner being out, trading Patches away, new coach/system) went right so far.
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Spring Break My Heart posted:Cherry picking kicks rear end tho I agree, but the NHL doesn't
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Thufir posted:As a predators fan, I personally am the biggest victim on earth of the egregious Duchene offsides and imo it was hilarious. I will never not be mad about game 1 of the 2017 Cup Finals. The Dirty Burger posted:https://twitter.com/citizenkwarren/status/1590767492468998147?s=46&t=5ypyFtMuOcj2mF9I0pbb-w Enterprise must have opened an office in New Jersey.
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Nov 10, 2022 21:40
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Jamwad Hilder posted:I guess my contention is that being offsides by like 0.2 seconds isn't "a bad play". It's totally within reason and oftentimes no one can say the player is offside until they dissect the video from multiple angles. Being 6 feet offside is a bad play. We expect players to be in control of their bodies. If a guy is pumping his arms skating and his stick passes an inch in front of a guy’s face it’s fine, but an inch the other way it’s a penalty. If a player bats a puck out of the air a little too early on the way down we call off a goal. Icing, puck over glass, these are all plays where if a guy does something close but not close enough they’re penalized in some way. So there’s tons of cases where the difference between a play continuing or stopping comes down to a player action being a little more or less than what they did, and offside isn’t any different. The only change is how long it takes in game time for the infraction to be called, and while that’s annoying I don’t see why we consider the league to be at fault when in all others cases a player is at fault.
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Koopa Kid posted:We expect players to be in control of their bodies. If a guy is pumping his arms skating and his stick passes an inch in front of a guy’s face it’s fine, but an inch the other way it’s a penalty. If a player bats a puck out of the air a little too early on the way down we call off a goal. Icing, puck over glass, these are all plays where if a guy does something close but not close enough they’re penalized in some way. I was going to disagree with you, but I've actually come to enjoy analyzing offside and/or goal footage like it's the Zapruder film. HFBoards in particular used to be full of grainy screenshots and armchair physicists. if we're gonna have it, we should go back to 240/480p and have some fun with it. I would also be totally okay if they got rid of all that poo poo and just let the game go. I like it when referees have grudges and put their own personal spin on the game.
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The Dirty Burger posted:https://twitter.com/anaheimducks/status/1590559926698795009?s=46&t=JpR3L4fdKr2Z1MGC63FbOA Yeah that sucks. Purely luck that there even existed a camera frame that proved the offside too, it was that close. The timing of that apparently 60-fps camera could've been ever so slightly different and they couldn't have proved the offside. But as it was, this was the one and only frame that showed the play was offside: 
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DO YALL WANT A BOXC posted:I was going to disagree with you, but I've actually come to enjoy analyzing offside and/or goal footage like it's the Zapruder film. HFBoards in particular used to be full of grainy screenshots and armchair physicists. if we're gonna have it, we should go back to 240/480p and have some fun with it. I will admit, there is at least sometimes actual drama in a challenge and I’ve been legitimately interested/amused And I’d also be perfectly ok with not having video replay for this stuff either. I’m just saying the next time the Leafs get a goal disallowed because Rielly couldn’t keep the puck in at the line or Nylander was a step ahead of the puck carrier I’m going to be calling those players dumbasses in the GDT instead of proposing rules changes here
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Nov 10, 2022 22:23
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Aphrodite posted:They're sister organizations. lol
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Koopa Kid posted:I will admit, there is at least sometimes actual drama in a challenge and I’ve been legitimately interested/amused i hate to say it, but you really are out of practice here if that's the case. The Pens have been out in the first round for years, but Eric + Rex would be writing Infinite Jest-length posts about how his heel was actually on the line if you normalize the camera angles and take into account the camera lens distorting the image and how [insert opponent here] should be banned from the league because they're the actual cheaters. how do you expect to get out of the first round posting like that?
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Aphrodite posted:They're sister organizations. 
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