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Cpt. Mahatma Gandhi
Mar 26, 2005

Lol that Masters was on Tucker like an hour ago talking about how he was totally going to win once all the votes were counted

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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!!
May 31, 2006

GreyjoyBastard posted:

wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong

if you've ever talked to a stupid, ignorant, and/or evil econ major, but actual competent economics studiers tend towards social democracy at the very least, because that's what reality tells us

those adjectives describe 99.98% of all econ programs in the country, whose curricula were designed in ~1978 to beat the commies and crush labor unions once and for all

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

evilweasel posted:

also econ majors don’t have the faintest clue how to run a business

microeconomics folks have a very faint clue, which apparently puts them about a billion miles ahead of elon musk


Tibalt posted:

My favorite econ thesis are the ones advocating for the abolishment of <clearly obvious thing that exists only to exploit people's need for a necessary good>.

Insulin manufacturing, Private health insurance, private healthcare in general, a particularly spicy one on landlords...

same

studying economics turned me into a socialist, lol

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

my favorite Econ major fact is that the only people who really behave like a Rational Actor are sociopaths, and Econ majors aware they are being observed

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

evilweasel posted:

my favorite Econ major fact is that the only people who really behave like a Rational Actor are sociopaths, and Econ majors aware they are being observed

my first Applied Microeconomics class did a lot of game theory experiments/demonstrations and allow me to say, l m a o

Gumball Gumption
Jan 7, 2012

Dr Christmas posted:

Tennessee banned slavery as a punishment, which is cool and good. But will that mean? If you’re in prison you only are put to work voluntarily for money?

Sorry if this is a basic and dumb question, but slaves being paid doesn’t make them not-slaves.

I don't think anyone knows exactly since it comes down to what Tennessee decides to do. Some other states do run labor programs that are voluntary and pay cents per hour. Those low wages primarily then just go back to the prison in purchases of food and items by the prisoner. It's not slavery but it's also not fair employment. My personal belief is that a theoretical work program that provided real wages that would give someone across to money when they leave prison would do good but that the current system is another ugly part of how modern luxuries are achieved.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead
my presumption is that a followup court case would be "no, paying them forty-nine cents per hour doesn't count" but eh, we'll see

Gumball Gumption
Jan 7, 2012

GreyjoyBastard posted:

my presumption is that a followup court case would be "no, paying them forty-nine cents per hour doesn't count" but eh, we'll see

That it wouldn't count as slavery? Yeah, it's a common practice in multiple states. Prisoner wage averages have actually gone down in the last twenty years.

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

Dr Christmas posted:

Tennessee banned slavery as a punishment, which is cool and good. But will that mean? If you’re in prison you only are put to work voluntarily for money?

Sorry if this is a basic and dumb question, but slaves being paid doesn’t make them not-slaves.

It just bans involuntary servitude, nothing more. And "involuntary servitude" just means "being forced to work against their will".

In practice, the ban just means that prisoners will have the option to not work. It doesn't require them to be paid or compensated for their work.

ManBoyChef
Aug 1, 2019

Deadbeat Dad



considering there are massive industries now that profit off supplying the phone calls to inmates at a huge markup as well as the fact that all the items in the commisary are marked up to an insane degree the pittance they are paid to do work is terrible and should be considered slavery still.

My thinking is that republican legislatures are going to find a way to overturn the will of the people once again on this one. I have a feeling they will do the same with abortion access. Kentucky is already trying to weasel out of what the people want when it pertains to abortion.

Yawgmoft
Nov 15, 2004
Speaking of econ majors not taking the fall for this, as a MBA holder myself from a good school that isn't a rich kid diploma mill, I also want to chime in here and say that every single one of my professors would have accurately called the demise of Twitter from any one of Elon's actions, let alone all of them combined.

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Xand_Man
Mar 2, 2004

If what you say is true
Wutang might be dangerous


Yawgmoft posted:

Speaking of econ majors not taking the fall for this, as a MBA holder myself from a good school that isn't a rich kid diploma mill, I also want to chime in here and say that every single one of my professors would have accurately called the demise of Twitter from any one of Elon's actions, let alone all of them combined.

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I get that we're all left leaning but can we not probe people for operating under capitalism

D&D already tends to be a circle-jerk, this doesn't add anything

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Xand_Man fucked around with this message at 20:17 on Nov 12, 2022

DeadlyMuffin
Jul 3, 2007

Xand_Man posted:

I get that we're all left leaning but can we not probe people for operating under capitalism

D&D already tends to be a circle-jerk, this doesn't add anything

I agree. The probation should be revoked and the poster given a swirlie instead.

Big Slammu
May 31, 2010

JAWSOMEEE
I got my MBA from the Che Guevara Institute of Leninist Arts and my professors also would have said that Elon isn’t running Twitter well

Rappaport
Oct 2, 2013

MOD CHALLENGE: Poster should video themselves explain to a 4-year-old why MBAs are silly and smelly

Thank Christ I am not a mod :unsmith:

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

Mastering business is recommended by Stalin himself

https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1931/02/04.htm

quote:

How is it that wrecking activities assumed such wide dimensions? Who is to blame for this? We are to blame. Had we handled the business of managing production differently, had we started much earlier to learn the technique of the business, to master technique, had we more frequently and efficiently intervened in the management of production, the wreckers would not have succeeded in doing so much damage.

We must ourselves become experts, masters of the business; we must turn to technical science — such was the lesson life itself was teaching us. But neither the first warning nor even the second brought about the necessary change. It is time, high time that we turned towards technique. It is time to discard the old slogan, the obsolete slogan of non-interference in technique, and ourselves become specialists, experts, complete masters of our economic affairs.

It is frequently asked: Why have we not one-man management? We do not have it and we shall not get it until we have mastered technique. Until there are among us Bolsheviks a sufficient number of people thoroughly familiar with technique, economy and finance, we shall not have real one-man management. You can write as many resolutions as you please, take as many vows as you please, but, unless you master the technique, economy and finance of the mill, factory or mine, nothing will come of it, there will be no one-man management.

Hence, the task is for us to master technique ourselves, to become masters of the business ourselves. This is the sole guarantee that our plans will be carried out in full, and that one-man management will be established.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.
U.S. intel report says key gulf ally meddled in American politics
The United Arab Emirates steered U.S. foreign policy in its favor through a series of legal and illegal exploits, according to an unprecedented U.S. intelligence document

quote:

U.S. intelligence officials have compiled a classified report detailing extensive efforts to manipulate the American political system by the United Arab Emirates, an influential, oil-rich nation in the Persian Gulf long considered a close and trusted partner.

The activities covered in the report, described to The Washington Post by three people who have read it, include illegal and legal attempts to steer U.S. foreign policy in ways favorable to the Arab autocracy. It reveals the UAE’s bid, spanning multiple U.S. administrations, to exploit the vulnerabilities in American governance, including its reliance on campaign contributions, susceptibility to powerful lobbying firms and lax enforcement of disclosure laws intended to guard against interference by foreign governments, these people said. Each spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss classified information.

The document was compiled by the National Intelligence Council and briefed to top U.S. policymakers in recent weeks to guide their decision-making related to the Middle East and the UAE, which enjoys outsize influence in Washington. The report is remarkable in that it focuses on the influence operations of a friendly nation rather than an adversarial power such as Russia, China or Iran. It is also uncommon for a U.S. intelligence product to closely examine interactions involving U.S. officials given its mandate to focus on foreign threats.

...

This article is based on multiple different sources commenting on the underlying report; the Post doesn't have access to the document itself. The report is apparently especially damning of UAE’s ambassador to Washington, Yousef Al Otaiba, although it avoids naming him. Part of the underlying goal of the leak and reporting appears to be to increase pressure to close some of the disclosure loopholes UAE has been exploiting.

selec
Sep 6, 2003

Discendo Vox posted:

U.S. intel report says key gulf ally meddled in American politics
The United Arab Emirates steered U.S. foreign policy in its favor through a series of legal and illegal exploits, according to an unprecedented U.S. intelligence document

This article is based on multiple different sources commenting on the underlying report; the Post doesn't have access to the document itself. The report is apparently especially damning of UAE’s ambassador to Washington, Yousef Al Otaiba, although it avoids naming him. Part of the underlying goal of the leak and reporting appears to be to increase pressure to close some of the disclosure loopholes UAE has been exploiting.

Is there a way we can find out a list of US citizens registered as foreign agents for UAE?

Herstory Begins Now
Aug 5, 2003
SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>
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Shooting Blanks
Jun 6, 2007

Real bullets mess up how cool this thing looks.

-Blade



This is one of the dumber headlines I've seen lately:

From Elon Musk to Sam Bankman-Fried, a bad week for market geniuses, but was it their fault?

Yes, CNBC. It was their fault for being stupid.

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

YOU CAN TRUST ME!*


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selec posted:

Is there a way we can find out a list of US citizens registered as foreign agents for UAE?

Yes. U.S. law requires registration and disclosure of work on behalf of a foreign government.

There is a public registry on the DOJ website and you can also request for them to put together specific lists for you, but it usually takes a couple of months and using the website is easier unless you need specific details.

Edit: Here's the list of organizations and what country/individual they are an agent for. You can read the documents to see which specific people at the organization are registered agents.

Looks like the UAE has 24 different organizations registered as foreign agents that are made up of a bunch of different law firms, lobbying firms, PR firms, and marketing firms. You'd have to go through all the documents to get the specific number of people registered at each organization.

https://efile.fara.gov/ords/fara/f?p=181:130::::RP,130:P130_DATERANGE:N

Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 00:07 on Nov 13, 2022

cat botherer
Jan 6, 2022

I am interested in most phases of data processing.

GreyjoyBastard posted:

wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong

if you've ever talked to a stupid, ignorant, and/or evil econ major, but actual competent economics studiers tend towards social democracy at the very least, because that's what reality tells us
I was an econ (and less uselessly, math) major, and I was and am stupid, ignorant, and evil, just like all the other students and faculty.

selec
Sep 6, 2003

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Yes. U.S. law requires registration and disclosure of work on behalf of a foreign government.

There is a public registry on the DOJ website and you can also request for them to put together specific lists for you, but it usually takes a couple of months and using the website is easier unless you need specific details.

Edit: Here's the list of organizations and what country/individual they are an agent for. You can read the documents to see which specific people at the organization are registered agents.

Looks like the UAE has 24 different organizations registered as foreign agents that are made up of a bunch of different law firms, lobbying firms, PR firms, and marketing firms. You'd have to go through all the documents to get the specific number of people registered at each organization.

https://efile.fara.gov/ords/fara/f?p=181:130::::RP,130:P130_DATERANGE:N

Nice, thanks!

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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Dems hold the Senate

https://twitter.com/beschlossdc/status/1591615833603641344?s=46&t=FKP2rKgOM4ZwkfUmcJPB-Q

Waiting on the GA runoff next month but it’s no longer going to decide control

Heck Yes! Loam!
Nov 15, 2004

a rich, friable soil containing a relatively equal mixture of sand and silt and a somewhat smaller proportion of clay.
They still need that seat and this just makes it more likely less people will show up for walker in a runoff that doesn't matter for control of the senate.

davecrazy
Nov 25, 2004

I'm an insufferable shitposter who does not deserve to root for such a good team. Also, this is what Matt Harvey thinks of me and my garbage posting.
Will GA dems still turn out without it being the decision making seat?

the_steve
Nov 9, 2005

We're always hiring!

davecrazy posted:

Will GA dems still turn out without it being the decision making seat?

Depends on how convincing those "We need X amount more seats or else we can't actually do anything we promised despite having a majority!" emails are, I suppose.

Herstory Begins Now
Aug 5, 2003
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davecrazy posted:

Will GA dems still turn out without it being the decision making seat?

'do you want to repeat the joe manchin show for the next 2 years'

would that get you to turn out?

Craig K
Nov 10, 2016

puck

davecrazy posted:

Will GA dems still turn out without it being the decision making seat?

i mean the counterquestion is also "will republicans turn out for the guy that paid for 30% of abortions in the state of georgia if control of the senate isn't on the line"

B B
Dec 1, 2005

Herstory Begins Now posted:

'do you want to repeat the joe manchin show for the next 2 years'

would that get you to turn out?

That's no very effective framing, given that Sinema exists.

I'd still bet on Warlock conjuring a win, though.

Tibalt
May 14, 2017

What, drawn, and talk of peace! I hate the word, As I hate hell, all Montagues, and thee

davecrazy posted:

Will GA dems still turn out without it being the decision making seat?
They did last time Warnock was in the runoff, and Walker performed significantly behind Kemp. If the Libertarian voters split evenly and the Republicans that split the ticket on Walker don't show up, Warnock wins handily.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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I don't really see what the motivation for Republicans to show up for this would be

For the Dems you can at least look to increase your majority

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

FlamingLiberal posted:

I don't really see what the motivation for Republicans to show up for this would be

For the Dems you can at least look to increase your majority

Yeah, the only reason people were showing up to vote for Walker wasn't because he was an inspiring candidate or because he was going to be a good senator, it was because he was going to make Mitch McConnell Majority Leader again, and that has officially gone kaput. Warnock's voters, conversely, seem like they're fired up to get out again and send him back to DC to be #51.

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

B B posted:

That's no very effective framing, given that Sinema exists.

51 would be a huge upgrade considering that you’d only have to turn one of them, not both of them at the same time

Cpt. Mahatma Gandhi
Mar 26, 2005

nine-gear crow posted:

Yeah, the only reason people were showing up to vote for Walker wasn't because he was an inspiring candidate or because he was going to be a good senator, it was because he was going to make Mitch McConnell Majority Leader again, and that has officially gone kaput. Warnock's voters, conversely, seem like they're fired up to get out again and send him back to DC to be #51.

And I’d imagine the inevitable onslaught of Trump campaigning around Georgia will only fire up Warnock’s voters more

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

haveblue posted:

51 would be a huge upgrade considering that you’d only have to turn one of them, not both of them at the same time

And Manchin has proven he knows the meaning of the word "Yes" every now and then. A vote for Raphael Warnock is a vote to erase Kyrsten Sinema in everything but physical existence. If I were American and Georgian, I would already be lined up outside the polling place and we've got a loving month left to go yet.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Also Walker’s a fuckin’ freak and republicans in Georgia are too racist to vote for a black man, which is why the governor won and he didn’t.

bobjr
Oct 16, 2012

Roose is loose.
🐓🐓🐓✊🪧

Cpt. Mahatma Gandhi posted:

And I’d imagine the inevitable onslaught of Trump campaigning around Georgia will only fire up Warnock’s voters more

Will Trump want to campaign in this situation? It won't help him at all, and he's already mad about how they've performed and blame him.

Ringo Star Get
Sep 18, 2006

JUST FUCKING TAKE OFF ALREADY, SHIT
If Warnock can win, does that invalidate the need to placate Sienema and Manchin?

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FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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Ringo Star Get posted:

If Warnock can win, does that invalidate the need to placate Sienema and Manchin?
One of them, yes. Sinema is less important at least. We still have to deal with Manchin.

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