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syntaxfunction
Oct 27, 2010
Trems are dumb, block the strat trem. If it ain't a Bigsby I don't want it.

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Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph

syntaxfunction posted:

Hell yeah, you gotta :justpost:


okay gimme a minute I just have to spend 7 months tweaking small things

More relevant: the only guitar I have with a trem is my jaguar, I like how moody it can sound. Having a Floyd in the past was cool for like, wapping it awkwardly and making weird noises but I'd never want to deal with one again

SwissDonkey
Mar 29, 2007

landgrabber posted:

strats rule cause if you accidentally right hand mute too hard you'll knock the body a bit and make the internal springs ring out, making you sound worse than if you just left consonant notes sustaining and did some drone poo poo

top shelf stuff

there's so many different ways to dampen those springs with like 20c worth of materials. Or block the trem because gently caress trems, hardtail supremacy

Baron von Eevl
Jan 24, 2005

WHITE NOISE
GENERATOR

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Fill the cavity with scrap wood and bolt the simplest bridge possible down flat on top of the body. Do it.

Kazinsal
Dec 13, 2011


Comedy option: fill the cavity with scrap wood and bolt on one of those Floyd Rose retrofit kits for hardtail Gibsons.

a.p. dent
Oct 24, 2005

Wowporn posted:

okay gimme a minute I just have to spend 7 months tweaking small things

More relevant: the only guitar I have with a trem is my jaguar, I like how moody it can sound. Having a Floyd in the past was cool for like, wapping it awkwardly and making weird noises but I'd never want to deal with one again

booo. we need more music posting and less gear posting

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

Top Class!
Please leave your poor Strats holes alone!

Good Soldier Svejk
Jul 5, 2010

a.p. dent posted:

booo. we need more music posting and less gear posting

Well if you insist, here's a probably unused track from that soundtrack project I agreed to work on. I'm pretty proud of it and it has a lot of guitar layering going on and tone that I like. It's also the first thing I recorded with the reverend

https://sndup.net/gt44/


The kinda acousticy strumming sound that comes in sometimes is an unplugged danelectro I tuned all the strings to B on, just to see what it sounded like (mostly bad)

darkwasthenight
Jan 7, 2011

GENE TRAITOR

landgrabber posted:

strats rule cause if you accidentally right hand mute too hard you'll knock the body a bit and make the internal springs ring out, making you sound worse than if you just left consonant notes sustaining and did some drone poo poo

top shelf stuff

Don't get an offset.

BizarroAzrael
Apr 6, 2006

"That must weigh heavily on your soul. Let me purge it for you."
Whats the proper term for the tuners on my Jaguar and Gretsch bass where you feed the end of the string straight into the top before winding it around? Y-top or something? I've been looking and I've not found them for sale stand-alone, at least not clearly labeled as such (all Thomann's pictures seem to just be of the backs.

Does this style have any advantages over the more common type? How does it compare to a locking tuner?

a.p. dent
Oct 24, 2005

Good Soldier Svejk posted:

Well if you insist, here's a probably unused track from that soundtrack project I agreed to work on. I'm pretty proud of it and it has a lot of guitar layering going on and tone that I like. It's also the first thing I recorded with the reverend

https://sndup.net/gt44/


The kinda acousticy strumming sound that comes in sometimes is an unplugged danelectro I tuned all the strings to B on, just to see what it sounded like (mostly bad)

this is awesome! if you told me it's an unreleased NIN b-side i'd probably believe you. nice work!

Plank Walker
Aug 11, 2005

BizarroAzrael posted:

Whats the proper term for the tuners on my Jaguar and Gretsch bass where you feed the end of the string straight into the top before winding it around? Y-top or something? I've been looking and I've not found them for sale stand-alone, at least not clearly labeled as such (all Thomann's pictures seem to just be of the backs.

Does this style have any advantages over the more common type? How does it compare to a locking tuner?

I think fender calls those "Vintage style", not sure what the generic term is though. Idk that they offer any benefits, if anything they're more annoying because you have to cut the string first before winding it (a good tip for strat style headstocks is to cut the string 3 pegs past the tuner)

Plank Walker fucked around with this message at 15:59 on Nov 14, 2022

Pondex
Jul 8, 2014

BizarroAzrael posted:

Whats the proper term for the tuners on my Jaguar and Gretsch bass where you feed the end of the string straight into the top before winding it around? Y-top or something? I've been looking and I've not found them for sale stand-alone, at least not clearly labeled as such (all Thomann's pictures seem to just be of the backs.

Does this style have any advantages over the more common type? How does it compare to a locking tuner?

I think for Fender at least they're called vintage style tuners.

TheMightyBoops
Nov 1, 2016

syntaxfunction posted:

Trems are dumb, block the strat trem. If it ain't a Bigsby I don't want it.

My Strat has a Floyd Rose. It’s one of the lovely ones though so I will need to replace it eventually.

BizarroAzrael
Apr 6, 2006

"That must weigh heavily on your soul. Let me purge it for you."
Ah, I thought "Vintage style" referred to the boxy covers on the back and the style of buttons but good to know.


Plank Walker posted:

I think fender calls those "Vintage style", not sure what the generic term is though. Idk that they offer any benefits, if anything they're more annoying because you have to cut the string first before winding it (a good tip for strat style headstocks is to cut the string 3 pegs past the tuner)

I just measure those 3 pegs, snip it and wind it, didn't seem to be much of an issue

Plank Walker
Aug 11, 2005

BizarroAzrael posted:

Ah, I thought "Vintage style" referred to the boxy covers on the back and the style of buttons but good to know.

I just measure those 3 pegs, snip it and wind it, didn't seem to be much of an issue

Yeah it's not a huge issue at all once you know, but the first time I changed strings on one I did not and had to run out and get a 2nd set of strings because I trimmed the low E too short and it didn't get a full wrap

landgrabber
Sep 13, 2015

i thought i decked/blocked the trem by adding a bunch of springs and tightening it down. could've come loose, it's been about a year.

in any case it tunes to other poo poo easier so i'll just have to get good.

speaking of weird tunings:

can anyone provide some insight into D-A-D-F#-B-E? sort of an insane tuning but i've come across a few different artists who play in it, is it more common than i realize? how do you conceptualize it?

Huxley
Oct 10, 2012



Grimey Drawer
Drop-D lute tuning. Wild stuff.

landgrabber
Sep 13, 2015

i've seen it in its standard form in snail mail songs -- lindsay jordan played classical guitar (and it shows in her technique) for a long time. and on the other hand i've heard it half a step down in JANK songs, and that person is absolutely just a dipshit stoner emo kid. so like there has to be some reason to this?

Huxley
Oct 10, 2012



Grimey Drawer
I mean, E A D F# B e is absolutely relative lute tuning (capo on 5 brings it up to just actual lute tuning).

So drop-D lute wasn't a joke. If you're seeing people with classical backgrounds using it, that's probably where the idea was born. How to play it? Uh, it's an open Dadd9 I guess?

landgrabber
Sep 13, 2015

gently caress it im gonna learn to shred... its over for u kids...

Sweaty IT Nerd
Jul 13, 2007

^ gettem

Disco Pope posted:

My partner picked up a Player Duo Sonic today, and it's really fun to play (bonus of us both notionally bring guitarists, I guess!). Just a really neat little guitar.

What if we made the strat even more simple?

landgrabber
Sep 13, 2015

tbh i do think 90s rivers cuomo is very badass in this respect-- where he's mostly concerned with playing power chords and their inversions, because he's concerned with the song and the melodies.

but then it comes solo time and he will mostly be melodic but very occasionally just loving do insane shred poo poo for a measure or two.

i have to be able to shut the virtuosos up and own them by being able to do that poo poo and then never doing it.

though what i've been thinking lately is that we all have our own forms of Shred-- i just fixated on Shredding the composition.

i got into theory and classical form and voice leading and stuff and am obsessed with writing a little bit of formalism into my crunchy guitar songs because being chronically emo has left me with an inferiority complex about my music (i feel like i don't write anything meaningful, but working through my CPTSD through angsty rock songs is the thing that brings me the most joy). what is that other than shred?

i prefer out thinking the people who love 80s guitarists but it would be fun to beat them at their own game

landgrabber
Sep 13, 2015

+ also it would give me the technique to do some stuff i can't do.

like write a passable solo.

there's a little bit of symmetry i've noticed in some of these melodies too, where you think about a really archetypical kinda wanky guitar solo, where it's like, a ton of notes quickly and somewhat aimlessly, and then they build up to a really high, sustained one, because the guitar player ran out of room.

it's lame there, but what's one of the most beautiful instances if music? it's pavarotti singing nessun dorma. and a characteristic of that melody and a lot of wonderful puccini melodies is, maybe in a more articulated way, having these notes that simply connect and wander a little bit... and then the melody takes a running start toward the end of the measure and there's a big leap up along with an increase in volume, and usually the orchestra kicking in and doubling that line.

putting that on a distorted guitar is a kitschy way to arrange some beauty, but what is pop music other than that?

BizarroAzrael
Apr 6, 2006

"That must weigh heavily on your soul. Let me purge it for you."

muike posted:

I think it's just cuz strats are the most common guitars to get replacement parts are, like you said. And yeah the bridge placement on a jaguar is probably different from a JM



The bridge holes aren't drilled so placement is up to me, so long as it's not in the trem cavity which I'll have to check. There's also the matter of the scratch plate.

What I'm thinking is get this and a cheap/second hand Jaguar/Jazzmaster and transplant everything but the pickups which I'll be switching. Seems like the most cost-effective method as necks appear to be incredibly expensive bought in their own.

duodenum
Sep 18, 2005

This site was just served to me as an ad and it looks like something convenient and helpful for us below-pro guitar songwriting types.

https://www.chordfiles.com/#guitar

muike
Mar 16, 2011

ガチムチ セブン

BizarroAzrael posted:

Whats the proper term for the tuners on my Jaguar and Gretsch bass where you feed the end of the string straight into the top before winding it around? Y-top or something? I've been looking and I've not found them for sale stand-alone, at least not clearly labeled as such (all Thomann's pictures seem to just be of the backs.

Does this style have any advantages over the more common type? How does it compare to a locking tuner?

split post! they're nice because there's somewhere for the sharp end of the string to hide inside of and they're fun to restring once you get used to them. but don't really have any practical advantage over regular solid post tuners

Gramps
Dec 30, 2006


BizarroAzrael posted:

Whats the proper term for the tuners on my Jaguar and Gretsch bass where you feed the end of the string straight into the top before winding it around? Y-top or something? I've been looking and I've not found them for sale stand-alone, at least not clearly labeled as such (all Thomann's pictures seem to just be of the backs.

Does this style have any advantages over the more common type? How does it compare to a locking tuner?

Those are called Safety posts also written as Safe-t-posts cause of the inability to stab yourself with loose string ends.

I am a locking tuner contrarian, so take this with a grain of salt, but ANY normal tuner including safety post style tuners will have as good of tuning stability as anything else provided that the strings are wound correctly and properly stretched. Locking tuners provide for marginally faster string changes, but I don't believe they add anything to tuning stability whatsoever, and in my experience they can be marginally worse depending on the guitar. If you like em that's cool, but they aren't a magic bullet to tuning stability. A properly cut and lubricated nut and properly installed strings are what will keep you in tune. (That and a stable bridge design that doesn't cause problems itself)

widefault
Mar 16, 2009
Firefly Mad/Bad Cat is here



Flame Maple top and back, Walnut strip, binding front and back.



Pickups are Strat-style, so far I'm happy with the neck but the bridge is a little weak. Fit and finish is the best I've seen on a Firefly. Neck tint is a little too yellow, but the fretwork is great. Tuners are stiff, I do not like them. Fretboard is flat, someone in the Firefly Facebook group measured it at 12" at the 12th fret. Setup out of the box is good, but could probably better. 7lbs 10oz on this one, not too bad.

To boil it down, for $227 delivered to my door I'm really impressed.

Helianthus Annuus
Feb 21, 2006

can i touch your hand
Grimey Drawer
speaking of discount guitars, G&L banged up a lot of perfectly good instruments for their black friday sale. lmao

https://g-l-online-store.myshopify.com/products/instruments-tribute-fallout-2
https://g-l-online-store.myshopify.com/products/instruments-tribute-fallout-bass-3

the cheap one is 340

my favorite thing about this web store is that it's not polished at all. for example, the color on these guitars is "Sonic Blue" and "Surf Green" respectively. but they look completely alike under the harsh ugly lighting in this warehouse (or wherever they are when they take these photos). also, the URL that says "bass" is lying -- its not a bass.

i got one of their jazzmaster style guitars a few months ago, and i have really warmed up to the vibrato system on it, it keeps tune much better than others i've had (still prefer a hard tail bridge). the pickups and electronics are legit, tuners are fine, the frets are nice and big, the bridge is outstanding. they shipped fast, and the packaging was legit.

but if you buy one of these discount B-Stock guitars, keep in mind that the factory setup is gonna be bad -- i don't mind moving a few saddles, but my nut slots needed to be re-filed!

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Helianthus Annuus
Feb 21, 2006

can i touch your hand
Grimey Drawer

landgrabber posted:

strats rule cause if you accidentally right hand mute too hard you'll knock the body a bit and make the internal springs ring out, making you sound worse than if you just left consonant notes sustaining and did some drone poo poo

top shelf stuff

i know what you mean. i put a paper towel in there to stop the bad vibes.

but if you dont want to do that: sell that poo poo, and see my earlier post :twisted:

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syntaxfunction posted:

Trems are dumb, block the strat trem. If it ain't a Bigsby I don't want it.

really? my friend got a cheap guitar with a bigsby, and it was the worst piece of poo poo i've ever played (in terms of staying in tune). in hindsight, i think i blame that on the stock Epiphone tune-o-matic bridge (terrible). i'm told Bigsbies can be good, but all of these different vibrato systems CAN be good (if they're perfectly dialed in)

Helianthus Annuus fucked around with this message at 03:45 on Nov 15, 2022

Helianthus Annuus
Feb 21, 2006

can i touch your hand
Grimey Drawer

phenomenal -- getting strong Ending Credits of an Action Game vibes with this one

Dr. Faustus
Feb 18, 2001

Grimey Drawer

muike posted:

would you recommend a single 112 as a nice partner to a helix ?
I've only met one and it was kinda huge. Sounded great, but it was being used for bass.

I see people praise and slag the 108s all the time. All I can say is it's small, it's 19lbs., loud as gently caress, and FRFR.

Any offensive freqs can be handled by an EQ block or, if the Helix has one, a Global EQ you can enable when using the 112.

Good Soldier Svejk
Jul 5, 2010

a.p. dent posted:

this is awesome! if you told me it's an unreleased NIN b-side i'd probably believe you. nice work!

Thank you! Trent is definitely the biggest influence on me musically, I can't deny that. I always hope though that I merge in enough other little stuff to make to my music not just sound like a tribute band, or at the very least if I do - that it reads as authentic and not someone desperately trying to sound like someone else. I've tried to dabble in other genres and industrial always bleeds back in. I just love the crunchy crunchy distortion and the metal hits too much.

Helianthus Annuus posted:

phenomenal -- getting strong Ending Credits of an Action Game vibes with this one

Ah yeah - it's one of three credits songs I pitched for the project. The rest of the music is a lot more ambient/piano/string driven just because I started by trying to do synth but... I think our ears are very trained at this point to expect at least something orchestral as a baseline for films and then you can get away with weird distorted drones overtop of that.


All to say I still feel like I have no idea what I'm doing and no business "composing" but I managed to put out ~40 minutes of music in a few days and they're happy with the output so I guess I can cram the imposter syndrome a little bit further down for the next few weeks while I ride on this.

InternetOfTwinks
Apr 2, 2011

Coming out of my cage and I've been doing just bad
Looking for a cheap 6-string to experiment with one of these Fishman Triple Play MIDI pickup jobbies, I'm assuming I should be able to get away with any old hardtail so long as it stays in tune properly? Would love to grab one of these Steinbergers but I can already see it being a nightmare getting the pickup set up correctly with an unusual body shape like that. Or maybe not? Idk, way more familiar with synth stuff than guitars, I just know I like going chug chug on my 7 string and being able to do cheesy metal riffs on the synths sounds pretty fun.

landgrabber
Sep 13, 2015

hey guys the minor9 barre chord (root E) is really easy you just move your pinky to the high E

landgrabber
Sep 13, 2015

gently caress this poo poo i'm getting a pink jaguar, never leaving E standard, only using cowboy chords, and writing early 2010s radio friendly indie pop for the rest of time.

caring is so loving done

Elissimpark
May 20, 2010

Bring me the head of Auguste Escoffier.

landgrabber posted:

gently caress this poo poo i'm getting a pink jaguar, never leaving E standard, only using cowboy chords, and writing early 2010s radio friendly indie pop for the rest of time.

caring is so loving done

Using nothing but I-V-vi-IV?

landgrabber
Sep 13, 2015

Elissimpark posted:

Using nothing but I-V-vi-IV?

the I-V-vi-IV meme has killed so many songs i've tried to write in the past few months you have no idea.

somehow it just works sometimes.

can i apply for an exception based on "the stuff i write is usually pretty punk-ish?"

also My Name Is Jonas is I-V-vi-IV and that song rips at least as hard as Hey Soul Sister sucks.

and "i'm so gangsta i'm so thug" is pretty on par with the cringiest rivers cuomo lyrics actually so

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ethanol
Jul 13, 2007



if you're going to complain about I V vi IV then you might as well complain about big boy I IV V and all derivative blues progressions in which case guitar I feel like will be a difficult path for you... but of course I went deep into ego jazz technical school looking for the secret progression that would open up my world and came out thinking that shits blows and all that theory just gets in the way of feeling your own voice.....man

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