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Nov 12, 2022 19:30
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well poo poo of course Crawley would write to Trotsky
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Nov 12, 2022 23:29
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVjQqOvhJcA
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Nov 14, 2022 09:31
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(whispering to partner) thats karl marx
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Nov 14, 2022 14:01
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anyone else get super depressed reading theory? i'm reading society of the spectacle right now and just nodding my head along like "yea man this is all 100% correct and it fuckin sucks, drat"
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Nov 15, 2022 02:25
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camoseven posted:anyone else get super depressed reading theory? i'm reading society of the spectacle right now and just nodding my head along like "yea man this is all 100% correct and it fuckin sucks, drat" society of the spectacle is depressing. guy debord is depressing. western leftists, especially in the 60s, are extremely depressing. it's not theory though. it has some accurate observations about capitalism but goes off the materialist rails in that 1960s western leftist way where china, ussr, cuba, etc are called capitalist, but eviler. https://files.libcom.org/files/The%20Society%20of%20the%20Spectacle%20Annotated%20Edition.pdf ctrl+f totalitarian and post some excerpts. also lol libertarian communism. guy debord and the vast majority of western leftists of that time period (and now) spread anti-communist talking points. some of them have infantile disorders, some of them do it on purpose. i'd strongly advise just skipping any western authors on this topic. for every losurdo and parenti there are hundreds of french weirdos talking about how actual existing socialist states are actually adjective capitalism totalitarian police states whose names probably show up in the epstein thread.    oh it's also in copy and pasteable text at https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/debord/society.htm (missing some notes that probably don't matter) but i already uploaded those pictures so im not gonna quote box them. basically guy debord is a fucker and wrote some poo poo that engenders a sense of powerlessness and hopelessness and furthers western anti-communist propaganda. go read something by one of the communist guys he poo poo-talked
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Nov 15, 2022 05:23
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anyone who uses the term “stalinism” unironically can be safely dismissed and derided imo.
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Nov 15, 2022 06:44
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Cuttlefush posted:guy debord and the vast majority of western leftists of that time period (and now) spread anti-communist talking points. some of them have infantile disorders, some of them do it on purpose. i'd strongly advise just skipping any western authors on this topic. for every losurdo and parenti there are hundreds of french weirdos talking about how actual existing socialist states are actually adjective capitalism totalitarian police states whose names probably show up in the epstein thread. Those French weirdos you’re referring too created the Frankfurt school, a literal Marxist revisionist project created by the bourgeoisie in order to slowly make Marxist thought compatible with — and even enforce — bourgeois ideology: https://twitter.com/GabrielRockhill/status/1541458038011355141?s=20&t=PaWr9Cw2wnpGRK5SAZansA This is how we ended up with so called marxists—Leninists telling you to vote for democrats and and that liberal ideology, especially individualism, is cool and good
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Nov 15, 2022 06:57
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bitching about the Frankfurt school was the single nut Glenn beck managed to find
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Nov 15, 2022 07:01
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the frankfurt school is primarily adorno and horkheimer's project, both of whom were notably non-french the french post-war marxist tradition is pretty clearly in in critical dialogue with the frankfurt tradition and centered around the PCF and various left-wing study- and splinter groups. sartre was a big standard-bearer, but you also had a ton of splinters - the situationists were one hyper-intellectual strain but they are also not really in the frankfurt tradition, which is a much more traditionally hegelian project and working towards the "holy grail" of merging freudian psychoanalysis with dialectical reasoning situationists etc are just what you get when you have penetration of radical ideas into the intellectual mainstream. the frankfurt school really did have some more sinister connections. V. Illych L. has issued a correction as of 10:28 on Nov 15, 2022 |
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Nov 15, 2022 10:23
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Aeolius posted:oh poo poo, someone finally noticed this book? The Edara book finally arrived! I’m super excited. It’s wild how once you start looking you start to see the reproduction of the relations of production everywhere
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Nov 15, 2022 13:44
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thanks y'all thats all really helpful! I picked up spectacle cause I've seen it referenced in cspam a bunch of times. I'll probably finish it but with a more critical eye my next hold at the library is "The mighty Wurlitzer : how the CIA played America" which seems relevant to the Frankfurt school conversation
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Nov 15, 2022 15:24
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V. Illych L. posted:the frankfurt school is primarily adorno and horkheimer's project, both of whom were notably non-french the great thing about the french post-war intellectual tradition is that you can insert 'for loving children' at almost any/every point it would fit in this post and be accurate
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Nov 15, 2022 15:31
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debord was a failed artist, which is the kind of people you have to be the most suspicious of in political movements.
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Nov 15, 2022 16:06
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it feels like most of these postwar western theorists just aren't worth the time and its more useful to read translated texts about/by people in actual socialist states.
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Nov 15, 2022 16:31
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yeah
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Nov 15, 2022 16:43
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mila kunis posted:it feels like most of these postwar western theorists just aren't worth the time and its more useful to read translated texts about/by people in actual socialist states. pretty much!
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Nov 15, 2022 18:51
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atelier morgan posted:the great thing about the french post-war intellectual tradition is that you can insert 'for loving children' at almost any/every point it would fit in this post and be accurate daaaaaamn (true)
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Nov 15, 2022 18:53
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walter benjamin ftw
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Nov 15, 2022 19:51
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the PCF was not at any point as far as i know in favour of abolishing the age of consent
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Nov 15, 2022 19:54
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V. Illych L. posted:the PCF was not at any point as far as i know in favour of abolishing the age of consent Making fun of Sartre, Foucault, Deleuze, and friends for the age of consent law abolition petition will never not be funny, tho.
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Nov 15, 2022 20:12
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In the past I've interacted with a number of younger French communists who seemed to have their heads and hearts in the right place, and I genuinely wish them the best.
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Nov 15, 2022 20:17
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 I'm getting strong Trot vibes from this one, how correct am I?
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Nov 16, 2022 00:09
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my dad posted:
yeah 
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Nov 16, 2022 00:16
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Wasn't Ted Grant the guy that said the USSR was fascist?
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Nov 16, 2022 01:13
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droll posted:Wasn't Ted Grant the guy that said the USSR was fascist? Co author of Reason in Revolt which was an awesome book applying materialism to the hard sciences but hoooo boy as soon as they got to the topic of morality it takes a sharp right turn especially obsessed with USSR Very reminiscent of Cockshott and his anti-LGBT stuff actually Edit: like why was there even a chapter about this. It looks like it was a concluding section about epistemology, alienation, etc Sunny Side Up has issued a correction as of 01:49 on Nov 16, 2022 |
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Nov 16, 2022 01:39
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my dad posted:
100% correct. that “marxist students” org exists here as well and they’re insufferable dweebs.
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Nov 16, 2022 05:04
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Sunny Side Up posted:The Edara book finally arrived! I’m super excited. if it sparks any thoughts, do share! exmarx posted:walter benjamin ftw yeah seconding benjamin as the most interesting frankfurt thinker
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Nov 16, 2022 06:03
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droll posted:Wasn't Ted Grant the guy that said the USSR was fascist? Marxofascism
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Nov 16, 2022 07:18
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My mistake, it was Ted Hill leader of Australia's "maoist" party 'Communist Party of Australia (Marxist Leninist)'
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Nov 16, 2022 10:32
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V. Illych L. posted:which is a much more traditionally hegelian project and working towards the "holy grail" of merging freudian psychoanalysis with dialectical reasoning is this where zizek came from or is that a coincidence
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Nov 16, 2022 15:49
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animist posted:lmao wait it was this page I just have goldfish brain lol np, i did in fact miss it too
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Nov 16, 2022 16:09
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https://twitter.com/gayspacegulag/status/1592342983307071488?s=46&t=GGHWPTkJ7lSrJATjPPGHUw
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Nov 16, 2022 20:42
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animist posted:is this where zizek came from or is that a coincidence Zizek is the leading authority on Jacques Lacan, perhaps the only authority on Jacques Lacan. No one reads Lacan.
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Nov 16, 2022 21:32
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Maximo Roboto posted:https://twitter.com/gayspacegulag/status/1592342983307071488?s=46&t=GGHWPTkJ7lSrJATjPPGHUw E C C B all of the above, easy
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Nov 16, 2022 22:26
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animist posted:is this where zizek came from or is that a coincidence his tradition is at least adjacent to it, but he's a lacanian rather than a freudian and those guys are very strange so idk he also grew up and was educated in socialist yugoslavia, remember, so his background is not typical for the wessi intelligentsia vibe of the frankfurt school
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Nov 16, 2022 23:13
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zizek is a socdem and a natoist
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Nov 16, 2022 23:17
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tristeham posted:zizek is a socdem and a natoist what do you mean by this
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Nov 17, 2022 01:04
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lol cmon slavoj get it together brother
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Nov 17, 2022 01:12
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