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I guess Cuno as a sassy fennec fox is cute.
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So why did Ruby think Harry was in leagues with El Madre? Fed bad info to spook her? Can that change if you actually play as a dirty cop? Can stuff at the end regarding Harry's background change based on stuff you do/pick? Part of it felt like it could be modular, because gym teacher felt very tailored to Motor/Phys, but I suppose Kim could just find it strange if it feels ill-fitting to the character you play out. Part of me also wondered if Harry's lover could be something that's variable based on how much attention you give those thoughts, but I feel more doubtful about that. Thinking about it a bit critically now, I'm assuming nothing in you background does change, since I think the point is supposed to be Harry's past not mattering to who Harry makes himself now. I'm watching someone's playthrough and it's fantastic picking up on lots of little very deliberate phrasing/word choices. Such as being able to tell Kim he's "cramping your style" - and I think that phrase also gets used/can be chosen when describing personal belongs you lost/parted ways with.
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Nov 15, 2022 20:40
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I don't know if your first question is really fully explained. I think you already have a reputation as the human can-opener, Ruby knows they have cops on the payroll, and just in general she's afraid that someone's coming after her and is just waiting for the other shoe to drop so her paranoia fills in the rest. If you talk to Jean at the end he rightly notes that no crime boss would want someone as completely unstable as you
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Nov 15, 2022 21:09
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Kim also states that he doesn’t believe you are in Puta Madre’s pocket if you ask him. At least if you’re a decent cop, he does. Not sure if that changes if you play as a corrupt or useless cop.
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Nov 15, 2022 21:19
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christmas boots posted:I don't know if your first question is really fully explained. I think you already have a reputation as the human can-opener, Ruby knows they have cops on the payroll, and just in general she's afraid that someone's coming after her and is just waiting for the other shoe to drop so her paranoia fills in the rest. If you talk to Jean at the end he rightly notes that no crime boss would want someone as completely unstable as you Someone who would solve every and all mystery in his organization. Also. "drat, the rival org took out one of our capos." "BUT WHAT IF I KILLED HIM AND LOST ALL MEMORY OF IT!?" "Harry, you were passed out drunk in my garden when the hit happened, we know cause we spent all night untangling you from the hedgerow." "Good alibi, ALMOST TOO GOOD!"
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Nov 15, 2022 23:10
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Oxyclean posted:So why did Ruby think Harry was in leagues with El Madre? Fed bad info to spook her? Can that change if you actually play as a dirty cop? Can stuff at the end regarding Harry's background change based on stuff you do/pick? Part of it felt like it could be modular, because gym teacher felt very tailored to Motor/Phys, but I suppose Kim could just find it strange if it feels ill-fitting to the character you play out. Part of me also wondered if Harry's lover could be something that's variable based on how much attention you give those thoughts, but I feel more doubtful about that. Thinking about it a bit critically now, I'm assuming nothing in you background does change, since I think the point is supposed to be Harry's past not mattering to who Harry makes himself now. Paranoid people jumping at shadows and coincidence happens. She wasn't taking any chances. Irrational fear can make eating a double barrel seem like your only option. Sadly. Also, with assumptions, someone I know was sure the crab man was El Puta Madre's guy but that seemed pretty racist to me.
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Nov 15, 2022 23:16
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It’s very out of character but I keep wondering if Kim is working for Puta Madre. Why I think maybe -Ruby thinks one of the cops is working for Puta Madre. She might have a good reason to think that, maybe she got tipped off. -Ruby reasonably assumed out of the two visiting cops, the drunk mess is the corrupt one. But Kim tells you you’re not with Puta Madre. But…how could he be so sure? -The light bending guy is not fully visible to the poor. Kim can see him just fine. I don’t think it’s likely. But it does kind of bother me as a possibility.
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Nov 16, 2022 06:33
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It makes sense in the DLC when you find out that Puta Madre wants to destroy all the pinball machines
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Nov 16, 2022 06:55
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Best Friends posted:
I think they say it’s relative wealth for this one. Harry’s bank account is nothing. Kim could easily be multiple orders of magnitude wealthier than Harry without being particularly wealthy. I mean, Kim doesn’t have to raise funds to not die of exposure in a dumpster. It’s like the saving for retirement advice. There is a threshold where the response to: “you should save 10% of your income changes from “yeah probably” to “gently caress you” Harry’s “gently caress you” poor.
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Nov 16, 2022 07:03
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Harry owns a house, he just can't remember anything so he has no access to his life.
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Nov 16, 2022 07:30
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It's also possible that there really isn't any kind of light-bending effect and it's just your brain being dumb/making a metaphor and then taking it completely literally.
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Nov 16, 2022 07:34
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christmas boots posted:It's also possible that there really isn't any kind of light-bending effect and it's just your brain being dumb/making a metaphor and then taking it completely literally. But he's bending the light before you know he's rich. And he talks about bending the light so he's aware of the effect?
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Nov 16, 2022 08:34
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How much richer than Joyce must light-bending guy be?
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Nov 16, 2022 09:07
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sebzilla posted:How much richer than Joyce must light-bending guy be? Eccentrically rich, wealthy even. There is a meaningful distinction there where the light-bending guy will only give you money if it's gonna get him a net return. Where Joyce gives you money to grease wheels. It is orders of magnitudes. Look at the situations they are both in, Joyce has responsibilities and a job as it were while the light bender just sits in a shipping container traveling around the world but disconnected from people and uh the world, with no actual responsibilities. Kinda a metaphor. quote:When comparing rich vs. wealthy people, the way they approach money matters. Rich people may see money as a means to buy things and maintain a certain lifestyle. Wealthy people, on the other hand, may view money as a means of creating more money, either through investments or business ventures.
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Nov 16, 2022 15:43
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Bar Ran Dun posted:I think they say it’s relative wealth for this one. Harry’s bank account is nothing. Kim could easily be multiple orders of magnitude wealthier than Harry without being particularly wealthy. I mean, Kim doesn’t have to raise funds to not die of exposure in a dumpster. Harry used to work as a teacher, now he is a fairly high ranking police officer. He is middle class by every metric. He just seem poorer because he lives in a poor part of the world, and because he drank away all of his money. Hell, he is almost certainly debt free after he paid Garte. He is in the same moderate income, black zero wealth, lower middle class situation as Homer Simpson.
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Nov 16, 2022 18:03
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Look everything that Harry perceives is totally real The mrlbg is as real as Harry's ability to teleport to the top of the feld building
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Nov 16, 2022 18:14
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I think you can find out how much an RCM officer makes annually, granted, Harry is a higher rank so probably makes a bit more. He's probably better off then most anyone in Martinaise, but the vibe felt like he was not all that well off.
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Nov 16, 2022 18:18
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The RCM doesn't have a union so...
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You need a certain amount of income to have the kind of substance abuse habit Harry has and yet still function.
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Nov 16, 2022 18:41
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Even Kim agrees police officer gets paid poo poo in the Zone of Control though. With how RCM came to be, the funding provided by the coalition is probably minimal and donation is probably not enough to bridge the gap.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Look everything that Harry perceives is totally real It made the (endgame spoiler) Phasmid hit real hard. Of course Harry would hallucinate the Insulindian Phasmid at that point in the story point. It's almost not even shocking. When Kim says he can see it too it that instantly shifts the player's understanding of the situation. Something truly magical is actually happening.
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Nov 16, 2022 19:14
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Oxyclean posted:So why did Ruby think Harry was in leagues with El Madre? Fed bad info to spook her? Can that change if you actually play as a dirty cop? Can stuff at the end regarding Harry's background change based on stuff you do/pick? Part of it felt like it could be modular, because gym teacher felt very tailored to Motor/Phys, but I suppose Kim could just find it strange if it feels ill-fitting to the character you play out. Part of me also wondered if Harry's lover could be something that's variable based on how much attention you give those thoughts, but I feel more doubtful about that. Thinking about it a bit critically now, I'm assuming nothing in you background does change, since I think the point is supposed to be Harry's past not mattering to who Harry makes himself now. All her interactions were with psycho Harry before the game started so she probably assumed the openly tweaked out cop running around trashing everything and pointing his gun at people is acting that was because he’s got complete impunity on account of being on the take from the biggest psycho crime kingpin in town.
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Nov 16, 2022 19:24
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I thought she said she was out of dodge the moment Harry rolled into town with his squad. Presumably before he went off the rails and told them they were cramping his style. Regarding Harry: While Kim hand waves some of the weirder stuff...I kind of got the vibe from some of the pale sidestory stuff that there might actually be something up with Harry. I don't remember if it was Shivers or Esprit, but one or both describe things happening that you shouldn't have knowledge of (eg: near the end game, your fellow officers preparing for the evaluation) - there's also what feels like a ton of weird little random things that pay off - you could chalk it all up to coincidence and gut feelings, but given Harry's hosed up brain, part of me almost wonders if there's supposed to be some level of "Harry is in tune with memories that aren't only his" or something, although, I don't think there's much to suggest Harry is actually pale-exposed.
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Nov 16, 2022 19:33
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Oxyclean posted:I thought she said she was out of dodge the moment Harry rolled into town with his squad. Presumably before he went off the rails and told them they were cramping his style. Put more points into Shivers.
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Nov 16, 2022 20:05
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There's also the possibility that the light-bending effect is real but you have to have a certain level of sensitivity to pick perceive it. IIRC there's a conversation where your brain suggests that Kim has an exceptionally low conceptualization and even at his lowest stats I think Harry is more sensitive to all pale and all the paranormal type stuff than the average person.
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Nov 16, 2022 20:08
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christmas boots posted:There's also the possibility that the light-bending effect is real but you have to have a certain level of sensitivity to pick perceive it. IIRC there's a conversation where your brain suggests that Kim has an exceptionally low conceptualization and even at his lowest stats I think Harry is more sensitive to all pale and all the paranormal type stuff than the average person. Yeah, Kim is very Wasteland of Reality as a baseline.
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Nov 16, 2022 21:08
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MariusLecter posted:Put more points into Shivers.
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Oxyclean posted:Can you elaborate? I don't think I'll find time for a second playthrough. More points into Shivers probably wouldn't help illuminate anyways but there is literally something to this. I haven't cracked it myself fully I don't think, still have PALE UNKNOWN i can't figure out yet... but got Trant to theorize that Harry is like a magnetic tape rubbing against all of Revochal. Literally absorbing thoughts and emotions and why he has a preternatural instinct to investigating. Not sure what triggers this or if it's something in all playthroughs. MariusLecter fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Nov 16, 2022 |
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MariusLecter posted:More points into Shivers probably wouldn't help illuminate anyways but there is literally something to this. I haven't cracked it myself fully I don't think, still have PALE UNKNOWN i can't figure out yet... but got Trant to theorize that Harry is like a magnetic tape rubbing against all of Revochal. Literally absorbing thoughts and emotions and why he has a preternatural instinct to investigating. Not sure what triggers this or if it's something in all playthroughs. uhhh I didnt get that feel from the Trant conversation at all, he was just trying to explain how hosed in the head Harry is
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VictualSquid posted:Harry used to work as a teacher, now he is a fairly high ranking police officer. He is middle class by every metric. He just seem poorer because he lives in a poor part of the world, and because he drank away all of his money. Wealth is not determined by income or lack of debt, it is determined by wealth. Harry has almost none of it. Kim, by comparison, seems likely to have a reasonable amount. That Harry could have wealth if he wasn't such a fuckup doesn't seem super relevant.
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frajaq posted:uhhh I didnt get that feel from the Trant conversation at all, he was just trying to explain how hosed in the head Harry is Yeah, my take was that he was just suggesting that the contestant grinding of the work Harry did, with the material conditions of the world as they were, that maybe what Harry did to himself was actually a perfectly logical reaction. Which is maybe the single most damnining statement of the status quo given.
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christmas boots posted:Yeah, my take was that he was just suggesting that the contestant grinding of the work Harry did, with the material conditions of the world as they were, that maybe what Harry did to himself was actually a perfectly logical reaction. Which is maybe the single most damnining statement of the status quo given. WHY NOT BOTH (DOT) GIF e; Everyone is drunk and miserable, so Harry being drunk and miserable makes him the BEST drat COP ON THE FORCE!
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I'm probably going to pull the trigger on my second playthrough tonight after work. I JUST CAN'T STOP THINKING ABOUT THIS GOD drat GAME! Still debating between a 4 - 4 - 2 - 2 or 5 - 4 - 1 - 2. I know I want to focus on INT for all the encyclopedia lore stuff but also want enough PSYCHE for the talking tie .
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Nov 16, 2022 23:32
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Hmm, is it quite easy to actually gently caress up your run? I've been putting level ups mainly into thoughts, but I've failed a few checks that have blocked things off and I'm sitting around on the second day with nowhere to go and unsure what to do.
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Ratios and Tendency posted:Hmm, is it quite easy to actually gently caress up your run? As long as you have enough to pay your rent you should be okay. You will find other tasks that may open up a few more checks/re-open old checks along with skill ups. On day 3 the map opens up a bit more so you'll have more to do. Read a book or your old case notes if you need to pass a little time, just make sure you have your room at the whirling paid through night 2 before spending time on misc tasks.
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Ratios and Tendency posted:Hmm, is it quite easy to actually gently caress up your run? There should still be something you can do to earn more xp. Have you talked to the representatives of both sides of the docks dispute? Investigated the local shops? If you've explored thoroughly and talked to everyone and still can't get anywhere you can pass time until the next day by reading books or case files over and over. More of the game opens up on the third day. efb
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Oxyclean posted:I don't remember if it was Shivers or Esprit, but one or both describe things happening that you shouldn't have knowledge of (eg: near the end game, your fellow officers preparing for the evaluation) - there's also what feels like a ton of weird little random things that pay off - you could chalk it all up to coincidence and gut feelings, but given Harry's hosed up brain, part of me almost wonders if there's supposed to be some level of "Harry is in tune with memories that aren't only his" or something, although, I don't think there's much to suggest Harry is actually pale-exposed. It's pretty heavily implied Harry somehow used the Swallow in the church to nuke his memory, in which case "pale-exposed" is one hell of an understatement.
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Staltran posted:It's pretty heavily implied Harry somehow used the Swallow in the church to nuke his memory, in which case "pale-exposed" is one hell of an understatement. This also explains why he drove his team away; they knew about it too (or at least Jean did) and would have stopped him.
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Nov 17, 2022 07:50
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Some more news came out about ZA/UM today: It's Fraud! https://twitter.com/martinluiga/status/1592944559021252609 Link to English article
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drat it, I keep forgetting who is whom in this situation.
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