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kw0134 posted:Legit question: what is a CEO supposed to do with this info? Okay here are our various processes. Is that supposed to guide some strategic decision? Does knowledge of the existence of Manhattan change things? From the corner office what are the actual practical uses of this diagram, even were it complete? Just to say he "knows" how the sausage is made? But yes at the very least a CTO would be given some kind of overview like this. Someone with some curiosity... say someone who had just purchased the company for a lot of money, would probably probe further in. But it should't take a huge team like that to show him this. A Product Manager could just give him this overview over lunch.
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Isn't the software in Teslas also cobbled together craziness? Just like a Frankenstein's monster of patches and quick fixes? Did I read that somewhere? Edit: Not a programmer.
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Nov 19, 2022 19:57
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Yeah, learning that twitter largely runs off proprietary stuff, optimized for their specific needs, tells me that no-one who gets parachuted in is going to be able to fix anything. It's going to be a loving nightmare. I'd feel bad for them, except for the fact that they mostly volunteered for it. (People trapped by their visa status are obviously exempt)
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mind the walrus posted:I really don't expect it to, but god drat I want it to. I really loving do. Just, once have some follow-through universe. Don't let some scrambling dickheads at the bottom save the incompetent Captain. I've seen it so, so many times. Same, but tbh Twitter is not some magical tech impossible to replicate, and their systems seem pretty resilient considering 90% of workers already left. Like, yeah, it might be slower at times, but it looks to be working fine. Better than in the whale days. Not bad for a company with no loving payroll dept. props to infrastructure engis And sure, yeah, someone mentioned it’s a pretty complex system, but it’s not even slow today. Maybe some vids take a little longer to load. The fired Twit-gineers were predicting boxes on fire by now. Twitter is/was valuable because of the celeb users, and ease of posting without too much racism and prejudice. If that goes, then yes Twitter is dead. So far only a couple celebs seem to even know what’s happening. However… the racism and antivaxxers are out in force, and I’ve stopped posting and won’t go back, but I’m looking at the train crash with mixed feelings. I love watching Elon fumble. And… Hey, even tumblr came back! (tumblr is great now imo)
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Knormal posted:I'm sure various hackers around the world appreciate the diagram of Twitter's internal network layout, however high-level it may be. Elon Musk To: TwitterEngineers All, Everyone needs to come up to to the conference room at 6 today and take a picture of me solving engineering problems to post to Twitter. Regards, Elon Chief Twit
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Nov 19, 2022 19:58
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learnincurve posted:lots of people on visas, including the obvious Brit, and not a single black person in the room Me, in my head a few seconds ago "Wait, which one is the 'obvious Brit'? I mean Asian, Asian, Chilean... I'm scanning here and I'm not seeing him. What person he talking ab- ohhhh..."
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Toxic Mental posted:Do you think the results are unbiased, or beyond that, even matter at all to Elon? If people voted overwhelmingly "no" he'd unban him even faster because he's an edgelord manchild. Yea, but that’s the outcome with more drama. I want that. It’s boring as hell if the bots win with “yes”
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PederP posted:I'd caution those eagerly awaiting a spectacular technical collapse to temper expectations. Engineers and developers can keep a sinking ship platform afloat and mostly functional for a very long time. It might be unstable, buggy, non-secure, non-profitable and even quite publicly on fire - but still it can keep chugging along relatively functional. So while a mass departure of staff will certainly be crippling and cause numerous very severe problems - my experience with complex software systems and the organizations working on them - is that a true collapse is not likely to happen. So many media businesses would crash in Japan in a matter of weeks or months probably if it went down its so pivotal to stealth marketing and what not. Like its absolutely pivotal to maintaining it all the way its setup nowadays to rely on trending associations and what not to make sure people know what to buy and poo poo. Consumer's there put a tremendous amount of weight on things that trend there from what I've been able to tell when it comes to media to purchase
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Someone mentioned Germany and working on a Sunday but that's nothing in comparison to Italy https://www.ilo.org/ifpdial/information-resources/national-labour-law-profiles/WCMS_158903/lang--en/index.htm Just them trying to summarise it would make American lawyers sweat Sect. 36 - on fair pay, the maximum working hours, the weekly and annual paid vacation (see number 5, 6 and 11); Sect. 37 - on the protection of women and of minors on the job (see number 7 and 9); Sect. 38 - on the social insurance for old age, illness, invalidity, industrial diseases and accidents, etc.; Sect. 39 - on Freedom of Association (see number 12); Sect. 40 - on the right to strike (see number 15) also quote:Act 196/1997 requires a specific authorisation by the Department of Labour (Inspectorate) for work exceeding 48 hours a week (in practice: more than 8 hours overtime).
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Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:Twitter is/was valuable because of the celeb users, and ease of posting without too much racism and prejudice. If that goes, then yes Twitter is dead. So far only a couple celebs seem to even know what’s happening. So my cynical side says that if you could use racism to sell ads, you could make alot of money. like how youtube went from ads to super chats after the whole having chlorox ads after beheading videos. But already ads cant support twitter, and auto ads companies pulled their ads because why help a buisness owned by a competitor.
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Edwardly posted:An outage will happen, the 40 engineers left there won't be able to fix it. Yup because Mastadon is a Rails app, which is what Twitter migrated off of to stop fail whaling. The server I’m on scaled from 200 to 9,500 users in 2.5 weeks and it was a poo poo show while the admins learned how to scale Rails. Riven fucked around with this message at 20:07 on Nov 19, 2022 |
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Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:And sure, yeah, someone mentioned it’s a pretty complex system, but it’s not even slow today. Maybe some vids take a little longer to load. The fired Twit-gineers were predicting boxes on fire by now. No matter how well you architect something, and how good you are at understanding the full problem domain, you still really can’t predict what happens when the maintenance stops. That’s why this sort of development is so hard and why you have a dedicated team on standby in case the site goes down. Anything could happen. Nobody knows! The problem is the people who would have been able to figure out what’s going on (the guy who can triage the problem in an hour since he’s been at this for 8-12 years) are all gone. And so are the people who would have called that guy because they could figure out what area the failure was even in. It’s safe to predict the dominos have started to tip. But nobody really knows for sure. It’s a bit like just letting a car go without any gas. How far will it putter on? Probably not far, but I’m impressed we got this far.
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Yup -- https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1593794109071937540
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I lived in Germany for a couple of months for work and it was astounding how the entire country shuts down on Sunday. Like even grocery stores.
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Plan R posted:Yup -- Looks bad
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mind the walrus posted:Not really sure what she thinks she's accomplishing here IMo baiting him to say stupid poo poo for evidence for the inevitable investigation against twitter.
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Nov 19, 2022 20:13
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Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:Same, but tbh Twitter is not some magical tech impossible to replicate, and their systems seem pretty resilient considering 90% of workers already left. Like, yeah, it might be slower at times, but it looks to be working fine. Better than in the whale days. Nitrousoxide posted:I lived in Germany for a couple of months for work and it was astounding how the entire country shuts down on Sunday. Like even grocery stores. I can vaguely remember being quite astonished that there are parts of the world where this isn't the case, and it still baffles me how people function without a good work/life balance.
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Telsa Cola posted:IMo baiting him to say stupid poo poo for evidence for the inevitable investigation against twitter.
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Women like AOC irk Leon Skum something fierce; he can't control them.
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Plan R posted:Women like AOC irk Leon Skum something fierce; he can't impregnate them.
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I for one think it is good when elected officials call out billionaire fraudsters on public forums
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Trixie Hardcore posted:It’s obvious that many Elon fans are elated that all these people are losing their jobs because they were so outraged at the idea of employees genuinely enjoying their employment, taking pride in the work or caring about their co-workers. The replies under any post an ex-employee makes is rapidly filled up by guys explaining how work should only be misery and wanting to be paid for your labor is wanting handouts and talking about how much you valued your co-workers is weak baby poo poo. I think part of this is more due to the fact that a lot of these people work lovely jobs themselves. I used to dig ditches in Seattle for $20 an hour, one project being for the multi million dollar house of a Microsoft exec. You bet your rear end I resented him. There's no pride to take in that work. It just sucks all the way down. And at the end of the day after I've barely made enough to feed myself I go home and I'm exhausted so I drink, sleep, and get up to do it all again. For people who's livelihoods don't allow them to work for 4 hours remotely and make 90k a year, I can understand the kind of catharsis they would feel from watching this very privileged part of society get a bit of a ride awakening.
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it's about as much of a callout as it is to call Charles Manson a boxcar and a jug of wine, man
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:and it still baffles me how people function without a good work/life balance. conditioning, propaganda, utter lack of labor protection. the usual.
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:it still baffles me how people function without a good work/life balance.
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I used to work in european software localisation and it's absolutely a thing that nothing is going to get done in August because most of Europe is on holiday then. Like, literally every email sent is going to get an out-of-office reply. It is awesome.
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Pookah posted:I used to work in european software localisation and it's absolutely a thing that nothing is going to get done in August because most of Europe is on holiday then. Every consulting project I do with an EU client that starts in June/July, during the first meeting I basically say "okay so what can we get done by 7/31 that i can work on to have ready for you 9/1".
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Buce posted:conditioning, propaganda, utter lack of labor protection. the usual. Bottom Liner posted:They don't have a loving choice in the matter Pookah posted:I used to work in european software localisation and it's absolutely a thing that nothing is going to get done in August because most of Europe is on holiday then.
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Bottom Liner posted:They don't have a loving choice in the matter They absolutely do, they just choose not to exercise it. There aren't benevolent European billionaires deciding that everyone gets Sunday off for the lolz. Grow some national genitals and stand up for yourselves.
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Nitrousoxide posted:I lived in Germany for a couple of months for work and it was astounding how the entire country shuts down on Sunday. Like even grocery stores. My (short adult) daughter works for aldi in the UK and people are not joking when they say they are a good employer, you have a combination of UK labour laws and German work culture which results in stuff like time and a half for any non-standard working hours. They ignore the minimum wage laws to pay people more as well - so far she has had two random cost of living increases. They also gave her a god drat 30 hours per week contract, which in retail is absolute loving gold. She gets 6 weeks paid weeks off a year and if she gets sick then she'll get the full 30 hours as well.
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Kingo Ligma posted:They absolutely do, they just choose not to exercise it. I think the OP when they say "they" is referring more to something like people who simply have to work that much at their job(s) because it's the only way to support themselves and their family, not single twitter engineers or whatever.
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Blowback Podcast zero irony Start with North Korea
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Mnoba posted:can't wait for trump to be unbanned, what do you think his first tweet will be? DEATH TO AMERICA! (Of course
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Toxic Mental posted:I think the OP when they say "they" is referring more to something like people who simply have to work that much at their job(s) because it's the only way to support themselves and their family, not single twitter engineers or whatever. Lmao, I'm referring to the entire American workforce. Drag the oppressors into the streets like everybody else does. The rest of us know you're capable of it, it's just that you direct that energy at stupid poo poo like Jan 6 while jerking off about how tough you are.
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Kingo Ligma posted:They absolutely do, they just choose not to exercise it. Spoken as someone that has no idea what a life of poverty in America is like. It's systemic oppression and you're literally using Kanye's "black people chose to be slaves" argument. Kingo Ligma posted:Lmao, I'm referring to the entire American workforce. Drag the oppressors into the streets like everybody else does. The rest of us know you're capable of it, it's just that you direct that energy at stupid poo poo like Jan 6 while jerking off about how tough you are. The Jan 6 rioters were overwhelmingly wealthy middle class fucks. Like yeah, it would be great if general strikes and class unity were to materialize out of thin air but you're completely ignoring all the systems and power structures built over literal centuries to quell that very thing. Bottom Liner fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Nov 19, 2022 |
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:Surely there's more to it than that? I am so glad this is true 
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Just as a parting shot -- https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1593794451817873408
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Kingo Ligma posted:Lmao, I'm referring to the entire American workforce. Drag the oppressors into the streets like everybody else does. The rest of us know you're capable of it, it's just that you direct that energy at stupid poo poo like Jan 6 while jerking off about how tough you are. Yeah I get the spirit of what you're talking about but at the same time, huge upheaval of stuff generally has a disproportionate effect on the poorest and most marginalized. It'd be nice if we could just get the tax code fixed, that's like 65% of the issue right there.
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Tippecanoe posted:I have my suspicions that the leering old dude with the fake hair is not from around here either yeah i'm pretty sure he's south african but I think he's already got a US citizenship
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