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Mendrian posted:I mean if the whole thing tells us that hunter is a failson that likes blow and pays for sex I really don't see how he differs from Trump. Can’t imagine a worldview where this is “the whole thing”. I’d be more curious about the board positions, the jewels, the depravities far beyond anything we know about Trump (if we’re simply talking about social mores). Impregnating your brother’s widow is pretty far the gently caress out there man!
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Another mass shooting that barely makes the news This is part of what made me hate Colorado Springs so much. Other than the MAGA chudiness, you had the megachurch shooting, planned parenthood, the guy that wandered through the streets shooting people a few years ago, and now this. Town is not big enough for the amount of mass shootings they’ve experienced.
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Automata 10 Pack posted:Can people provide sources of what is real and isn’t real about the whole Hunter laptop affair? This sounds like a situation where lefties can end up buying into some dumb conspiratorial disinformation because “Of course! America bad!” Your concern is noted. Is anybody here doing that though? If right wing media told me the sky was blue I'd immediately look up, but given what we know about hunter it seems there is a story there. It just doesn't matter materially beyond electoral optics (because of his last name and RWM attempts). I'm also confident the the reason the media largely got cold feet was the dubious origins and chain of custody. Hunter may arguably be a victim in some ways, but he's hardly on my list of sympathetic characters. selec posted:I think the argument “a crackhead only got high powered corporate fake jobs because of his last name” is pretty impervious to being cast as a right wing argument. Yeah!
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Hunter Biden's laptop had been passed through so many hands and files edited/created so many times over the years by people other than Biden, before and after it was seized by the FBI from a computer repair guy, the idea that anything found on that laptop is worth a drat is dumb as gently caress. And even with all the sketchy poo poo, neither the FBI nor independent forensic companies have found anything criminal. It's just Republicans yet again lying about fake poo poo to saturate "crimes" in the media.
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Nov 20, 2022 18:53
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Another mass shooting that barely makes the news its top story of cnn and other places.
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Crows Turn Off posted:Hunter Biden's laptop had been passed through so many hands and files edited/created so many times over the years by people other than Biden, before and after it was seized by the FBI from a computer repair guy, the idea that anything found on that laptop is worth a drat is dumb as gently caress.
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Nov 20, 2022 19:08
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Dapper_Swindler posted:its top story of cnn and other places. It wasn't when I woke up and read the story from a local source. What's the point of these posts other than to be petty and thread poo poo? i am a moron posted:This is part of what made me hate Colorado Springs so much. Other than the MAGA chudiness, you had the megachurch shooting, planned parenthood, the guy that wandered through the streets shooting people a few years ago, and now this. Town is not big enough for the amount of mass shootings they’ve experienced. Colorado Springs can be a decent place but it has a higher population density of right wing crazy than is comfortable. Garden of the gods is a really nice hike, and there's some surprisingly good food downtown.
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Automata 10 Pack posted:Can people provide sources of what is real and isn’t real about the whole Hunter laptop affair? This sounds like a situation where lefties can end up buying into some dumb conspiratorial disinformation because “Of course! America bad!” Gumball Gumption posted:The truth about what's the truth with the Hunter laptop is well known. https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2022/04/hunter-biden-laptop-guo-wengui-bannon-giuliani/
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Nov 20, 2022 19:09
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i am a moron posted:This is part of what made me hate Colorado Springs so much. Other than the MAGA chudiness, you had the megachurch shooting, planned parenthood, the guy that wandered through the streets shooting people a few years ago, and now this. Town is not big enough for the amount of mass shootings they’ve experienced. Colorado Springs also did Kansas-level poo poo where they promised that the path to prosperity was cutting tax levels and public spending to the bone and business would start booming Then they were turning streetlights off at night to save on electricity costs (which then got pillaged for their copper wiring) and cutting way back on fire department expenditure (and a wildfire burned an immodest quantity of the city down while neighboring FD's rushed their own socialism trucks over via highway to cover their asses)
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RBA Starblade posted:To be honest the whole Hunter thing is kind of just a whatever except for the shocking quotes the gop puts out from Biden about how he loves his son, which are very sad in a very different way My brother had substance abuse issues for years and just having unconditional love for a fuckup is part of that. They're family, they have problems, you hope you can help and you support them the best you can. The GOP demonizing that is monstrous just like when they demonized hospice care by calling them death panels.
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FlamingLiberal posted:They just want to create the false equivalence of 'oh, see, Hunter Biden did a bunch of crimes so all of that illegal stuff Trump did is really just the same' And even if so, then throw them both in jail for their crimes!
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Nov 20, 2022 19:12
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:It wasn't when I woke up and read the story from a local source. sorry, i didn't mean to be so dickish about that. i honestly didnt hear about it until this morining. Push El Burrito posted:My brother had substance abuse issues for years and just having unconditional love for a fuckup is part of that. They're family, they have problems, you hope you can help and you support them the best you can. The GOP demonizing that is monstrous just like when they demonized hospice care by calling them death panels. i mean going after hunter about his drug issues is as dumb as the chuds laughing and going after fetterman about his stroke. it shows their hosed up cruelty and it doesn't do them any favors outside their hosed brained base.
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Staluigi posted:Colorado Springs also did Kansas-level poo poo where they promised that the path to prosperity was cutting tax levels and public spending to the bone and business would start booming Waldo Canyon was nuts, I almost got stuck on that side of town helping a buddy move when it started burning stuff in the city limits. Also Colorado Springs is egregious but when I lived in CO basically any municipal/county/state service on the front range was garbage. It was awesome having to deal with an unemployment office that would tell you the estimated wait time to talk to someone was way longer than the hours they kept. Closing the schools down for a day or two a week to save money. Don’t miss any of that.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Another mass shooting that barely makes the news I searched his name earlier and found these articles dating to last year, about a bomb threat: https://www.koaa.com/news/covering-colorado/residents-evacuated-due-to-law-enforcement-activity-in-lorson-ranch-neighborhood https://www.epcsheriffsoffice.com/news-releases/sheriffs-office-responds-to-bomb-threat-in-lorson-ranch-neighborhood excerpt from the EPC link posted:He was booked into the El Paso County Jail on the following charges: I won't be surprised if any firearms lisences he had weren't revoked.
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:amazingly the origins of the laptop part turned out not to be a lie, though Watching vocally leftist folks compare Hunter Biden and his laptop to Trump/Kushner corruption and Trumps taxes is a great example of how this tactic works on people, even when they don't think it's working on them. Like, lol, no, Hunter Biden poo poo isn't on the level with Trump putting his son in law in charge of several different major government projects like the loving pandemic, getting 2 billion from the saudis, or the more or less guaranteed illegal poo poo that Trumps taxes hold But bringing them up as even remotely equivalent is precisely the point of the whole thing.
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Kaiju Cage Match posted:I searched his name earlier and found these articles dating to last year, about a bomb threat: so some young chud got a bunch of light treatment from cops and then decided to murder a bunch of folks at gay club for whatever hosed up chud believes he thought about.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:so some young chud got a bunch of light treatment from cops and then decided to murder a bunch of folks at gay club for whatever hosed up chud believes he thought about. I guess the police are glad they gave him light treatment then.
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Nov 20, 2022 19:28
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Jaxyon posted:Watching vocally leftist folks compare Hunter Biden and his laptop to Trump/Kushner corruption and Trumps taxes is a great example of how this tactic works on people, even when they don't think it's working on them. I was explicit in the post you quoted that the laptop is being pushed -because- it's totally disconnected from the actual corruption involved. what Hunter has done that's analogous to the Trump boys is to be a legal way for people to pay off Daddy, and line his own pockets along the way. there is no dispute that this is where he got his Burisma seat, there is no dispute this is where he gets the occasional $80,000 diamond, and it's how he got a seat on the AMTRAK board back in 2006. the Trump boys unsurprisingly took it a hell of a lot further, but the First Sons are united by their careers as inconveniently sentient loopholes in anti-bribery laws. which is why the republican investigation is all about all the sad weird sex stuff, because anyone who thinks the Republican Party is going to go to war with the failson-industrial complex has another thing coming. the do-nothing job for family members is practically the only benefit you get for having an elected office these days, and if the Democrats are willing to launch an impeachment over someone over trying to mess with it imagine the response Republicans would have.
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selec posted:I think the argument “a crackhead only got high powered corporate fake jobs because of his last name” is pretty impervious to being cast as a right wing argument. Yeah that's all Hunter is a crackhead with no qualifications or experience an impervious left wing argument, this is disgusting.
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socialsecurity posted:Yeah that's all Hunter is a crackhead with no qualifications or experience an impervious left wing argument, this is disgusting. the man found a way to piss hot for cocaine, for a drug test he knew was coming. do you have any idea how much effort it takes to piss hot for cocaine
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socialsecurity posted:Yeah that's all Hunter is a crackhead with no qualifications or experience an impervious left wing argument, this is disgusting. Man, do we need to go through the failure after failure this man was shielded from? What’s disgusting is that I’m expected to believe Hunter was actually ever doing any work, cmon Mack! He’s a failson, we can smell our own! The difference he gets a deference and unlimited retries that somebody who isn’t named Biden doesn’t get, which is the complaint: class, not effort or merit is what this system is about. You can be disgusted by the example (I’m not, he’s just one dude) or you can be disgusted by the system that allowed it. Me? I’m a systems guy.
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My understanding is that it is beyond question that Hunter Biden is a crackhead who took people's money for "access" to his vice-president dad. What's arguable is whether he actually helped them like he said he would, or if he was just running his own little scam in the corner.
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:the man found a way to piss hot for cocaine, for a drug test he knew was coming. No actually, what's involved in this feat
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Any investigations that get done with Hunter I hope are handled by the Democrats in the exact same way the Republicans handled all of their poo poo. -Ignore every subpoena -Deflect on every question -Whataboutism every direct line of inquiry -Use every second of televised microphone time to bash Trump and completely avoid the topic at hand -etc Maybe this is childish and shallow but whatever
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Wouldn’t it be more like an astounding lack of effort? The guy was/is undoubtedly self-destructive. Some part of him probably wanted to fail.
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the left-wing angle you can take to get genuinely furious about the Hunter Biden story is to remember: this is the son of Joe Biden, the guy who wrote the law back in 1986 that says five grams of crack gets you five years in prison, and that only because those goddamned bleeding hearts wouldn't let him make it ten. to preserve our cities from the rapacious advances of the drug-using hordes, we MUST jail all these congenitally criminal wretches. there is no other way. unless your last name is Biden, in which case lol never mind laws are for the little people RBA Starblade posted:No actually, what's involved in this feat cocaine has an incredibly short biological half-life. marijuana stays in your system for a few weeks; cocaine is gone within 12 hours of when you take it. taking drugs is not a disqualification, to my mind, but if you are pissing hot for cocaine, for a drug test you knew was coming, this is a sign you have a PROBLEM. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:which is why the republican investigation is all about all the sad weird sex stuff, because anyone who thinks the Republican Party is going to go to war with the failson-industrial complex has another thing coming. the do-nothing job for family members is practically the only benefit you get for having an elected office these days, and if the Democrats are willing to launch an impeachment over someone over trying to mess with it imagine the response Republicans would have. House GOP pushes forward with Hunter Biden probe despite thin majority(11/19/22) quote:Rep. James Comer, incoming chairman of the House Oversight Committee, said there are "troubling questions" of the utmost importance about Hunter Biden's business dealings and one of the president's brothers, James Biden, that require deeper investigation Jim Jordan requests documents from Pompeo regarding Hunter Biden, Burisma (5/14/20) quote:Jordan, who was one of President Trump’s staunchest defenders during the House impeachment hearings, requested unredacted documents from the State Department on Thursday regarding former Vice President Joe Biden’s son Hunter Biden’s role in Burisma Holdings, a “notoriously corrupt” Ukrainian state-run oil company. Republicans have won the House. Now, they're promising to investigate the Bidens(11/17/22) quote:In a press conference on Thursday, Comer accused the Biden family of defrauding the United States, tax evasion, violating several laws and money laundering, among other accusations. Rep. Jim Jordan, the top Republican on the House Oversight Committee, and CNN's Jake Tapper got into a contentious exchange Sunday after the lawmaker made false and misleading claims about the unfolding Ukraine drama that has led to an impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump.(9/30/19) quote:"The vice president's son gets paid $50,000 a month and gets hired by a company in an industry he has no experience in and oh that's fine?" Jordan says, referring to Hunter Biden serving on the board of a Ukrainian natural gas company. "Try taking that message to the American people ... When they see the vice president's son getting paid $50,000 a month in a field, in an industry he has no experience in ... And then when the company that's paying that money is under investigation, guess what? Daddy comes running to the rescue. The vice president of the United States comes running in and says, 'Fire that prosecutor.' " Jim Jordan asks Christopher Wray whether FBI is investigating Hunter Biden(9/24/20) quote:Rep. Jim Jordan of Ohio, the ranking member on the House Judiciary Committee, told Wray in a two-page letter that Sen. Chuck Grassley of Iowa and Sen. Ron Johnson of Wisconsin had “released an explosive report detailing misconduct and potential criminal activity during the Obama-Biden Administration” and asked “what investigative steps — if any — the Federal Bureau of Investigation has taken in response to the information in this report.” The congressman contended that the report “shows that the FBI has been aware of some alleged misconduct for years” and “detailed widespread concern within the Obama-Biden Administration about Hunter Biden’s role on the board of Burisma Holdings.”
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:I was explicit in the post you quoted that the laptop is being pushed -because- it's totally disconnected from the actual corruption involved. It literally doesn't matter as long as you're bringing them up together, you're doing the work for them. Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:the left-wing angle you can take to get genuinely furious about the Hunter Biden story is to remember: this is the son of Joe Biden, the guy who wrote the law back in 1986 that says five grams of crack gets you five years in prison, and that only because those goddamned bleeding hearts wouldn't let him make it ten. to preserve our cities from the rapacious advances of the drug-using hordes, we MUST jail all these congenitally criminal wretches. there is no other way. Yes that would be the way to take instead of bringing it up along side Trump kids. Or any number of other takes, really.
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if it turns out they're actually going to push hard on why america needs stronger anti-corruption laws, boy oh boy will I be owned. but they aren't making movies about how egregious the financial poo poo is, they're making them about how tawdry and immoral Biden's kid is, and how that must reflect on Joe. we'll get to see, I suppose. you know where my money is on this one.
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the purpose of a system is what it does (allows hunter biden to film himself smoking crack and drinking beer in a sensory deprivation chamber)
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Jaxyon posted:It literally doesn't matter as long as you're bringing them up together, you're doing the work for them. denying that Hunter Biden is a man who owes his career to being a legal way to try to buy his father's good graces is a blatant, obvious lie, and we are under no obligation to treat lies as truth on the grounds that otherwise the terrorists win.
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:denying that Hunter Biden is a man who owes his career to being a legal way to try to buy his father's good graces is a blatant, obvious lie, and we are under no obligation to treat lies as truth on the grounds that otherwise the terrorists win. Why are you quoting my post? None of what you just typed is responding to anything I wrote.
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Jaxyon posted:Why are you quoting my post? None of what you just typed is responding to anything I wrote. 'Doing the work for them.' it was 'doing the work for the terrorists' to acknowledge the Iraq war was not going well. curiously, it is now 'doing the work for Republicans' to acknowledge both Hunter and the Trump boys make their money by being vectors to pay dad. sometimes it is doing the work for your enemy, to acknowledge a true thing. this is not an indication you should lie about it.
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The only thread connecting Joe Biden to the Hunter stuff is the alleged email saying "The Big Guy meeting with China leaders" or whatever. Which would assume a number of things, that the email is actually real and not fabricated, that "The Big Guy" can be proved to be Joe Biden, and that such a meeting if it did happen can be proven to involve corruption, quid pro quo or whatever.
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This whole thing is so dumb but gently caress me if it's not succeeding in controlling the narrative. Even here. And I'm guilty of it myself. For gently caress's sake. Biden didn't make his son ambassador to Saudi Arabia or put him in charge of anything. Kid is hosed up has some issues and is using whatever clout he has to feed his addiction. Film at 11. RWM is laughably making this a national security issue and completely excusing everything Trump has done. Reminding everyone that Hunter Biden was never president nor was appointed to a cabinet position. God drat I wish hypocrisy had any sort of teeth, could stick or make these idiots capable of self examination but they think all of Trumps bullshit is exactly the same as...whatever this is.
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:'Doing the work for them.' Again, none of this is replying to my point.
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Jaxyon posted:Again, none of this is replying to my point. my response to your argument that 'it is doing the work for them to make this comparison' is 'it is the truth.' sometimes truths are inconvenient to a political project; this does not make them less true.
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In addition to national security harrumphing, the right's absolutely talking about how we need to tighten up those laws and the drug law hypocrisy and all the rest, and they're even happy to put a thin left-wing veneer on some of it to boost signal. But they haven't been convincing many people that picking Hunter Biden as the poster child of nepotism or unequal treatment under law is honest concern about those things or that they really plan to do more than sink an enemy and move onto another crime to be Very Concerned about. We went through this when the worst thing about Hillary was the idea of generational elite born into wealth and knowing that they would one day become senators or governors like their families. But even the people who wanted to take the Clintons down understood no one playing the American Aristocracy argument about them was actually interested in that part.
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:my response to your argument that 'it is doing the work for them to make this comparison' is 'it is the truth.' Individual facts are the truth. Positioning the two as if they're at all remotely comparable is you carrying water. Hillary had committed some minor security issues while she was SoS. Trump intentionally stole the most secret documents the government holds and kept them in his basement. Both are facts. Mentioning in the same breath as if they are are comparable serves to minimize Trumps security breach. Which is the goal.
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