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RBA Starblade
Apr 28, 2008

Going Home.

Games Idiot Court Jester

Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:

the left-wing angle you can take to get genuinely furious about the Hunter Biden story is to remember: this is the son of Joe Biden, the guy who wrote the law back in 1986 that says five grams of crack gets you five years in prison, and that only because those goddamned bleeding hearts wouldn't let him make it ten. to preserve our cities from the rapacious advances of the drug-using hordes, we MUST jail all these congenitally criminal wretches. there is no other way.

unless your last name is Biden, in which case lol never mind laws are for the little people

cocaine has an incredibly short biological half-life. marijuana stays in your system for a few weeks; cocaine is gone within 12 hours of when you take it. taking drugs is not a disqualification, to my mind, but if you are pissing hot for cocaine, for a drug test you knew was coming, this is a sign you have a PROBLEM.

Lol I didn't know that, def agreed on him having problems

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Staluigi
Jun 22, 2021

cocaine metabolites can typically be detected two days out, in a piss test for four days, and depending on the regularity of use (among other factors like how much benzoylecgonine your fat stores) you can test hot 2 weeks out. Don't know where this "coke's gone in 12 hours" comes from

Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006




lobster shirt posted:

the purpose of a system is what it does (allows hunter biden to film himself smoking crack and drinking beer in a sensory deprivation chamber)

But it is incorrect and does not necessarily follow to presume that the system was created/designed, or was created to do what it does.

Bar Ran Dun fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Nov 20, 2022

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Is there any news about Hunter or methodology of avoiding testing positive for cocaine or is this just the thread getting bored and stir-crazy on a chilly Sunday? If it isn't current nor are there any events surrounding it make a Hunter Biden's Laptop thread to be very sad about the current state of how nobody takes corruption seriously anymore except I guess Rudy and MTG. Literally the only interesting thing in the whole thing to me is the social media link killing part and come on down to the Social Media thread to dump on it for that.

Byzantine
Sep 1, 2007

Tbh the only thing I know about it is Hunter Biden does enough cocaine to floor an elephant and has a gigantic hog. Thank u Republicans for this informtion.

selec
Sep 6, 2003

Staluigi posted:

cocaine metabolites can typically be detected two days out, in a piss test for four days, and depending on the regularity of use (among other factors like how much benzoylecgonine your fat stores) you can test hot 2 weeks out. Don't know where this "coke's gone in 12 hours" comes from

It’s not unreasonable to expect someone being commissioned as a Navy officer to be able to think and act on the timescale of “two weeks from now I gotta take a drug test.”

Mustard Iceman
Apr 8, 2015

Weak against ketchup


well this makes me worried for the county next to mine which just elected a "2000 Mules" election-denying slate as County Auditor and Clerk (the former by a margin of less than 300 votes).

Twincityhacker
Feb 18, 2011

Actually it's just hosed up that a terrorist mass shooting is barely mention and instead we are arging about Hunter Binden who *at worst* has done very low level corruption and is a drug addict.

Should there be better laws about drugs and sex work? Yes, but "yelling about Hunter Biden" does jack poo poo to accomplish them.

I just... IDK. This shooting has hosed me up a lot, probabalt the most since Uvalde and the one at the Buffalo grocery store.

Gerund
Sep 12, 2007

He push a man


Twincityhacker posted:

Actually it's just hosed up that a terrorist mass shooting is barely mention and instead we are arging about Hunter Binden who *at worst* has done very low level corruption and is a drug addict.

Should there be better laws about drugs and sex work? Yes, but "yelling about Hunter Biden" does jack poo poo to accomplish them.

I just... IDK. This shooting has hosed me up a lot, probabalt the most since Uvalde and the one at the Buffalo grocery store.

The thing about both your examples of american soft-target murder sprees being from literally this year is that it establishes that things that make you feel a lot of hosed up are fairly common, which would establish why they aren't talked about as much as something novel.

Sir John Falstaff
Apr 13, 2010

Gerund posted:

The thing about both your examples of american soft-target murder sprees being from literally this year is that it establishes that things that make you feel a lot of hosed up are fairly common, which would establish why they aren't talked about as much as something novel.

Hunter Biden is "novel"?

Herstory Begins Now
Aug 5, 2003
SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>

Twincityhacker posted:

Actually it's just hosed up that a terrorist mass shooting is barely mention and instead we are arging about Hunter Binden who *at worst* has done very low level corruption and is a drug addict.

Should there be better laws about drugs and sex work? Yes, but "yelling about Hunter Biden" does jack poo poo to accomplish them.

I just... IDK. This shooting has hosed me up a lot, probabalt the most since Uvalde and the one at the Buffalo grocery store.

The far right clearly considers itself to be at war with basically anyone not straight white and christian and holy gently caress we need basically the entirety of the federal security apparatus to be going after them night and day

Staluigi
Jun 22, 2021

selec posted:

It’s not unreasonable to expect someone being commissioned as a Navy officer to be able to think and act on the timescale of “two weeks from now I gotta take a drug test.”


Is someone claiming otherwise

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

The shooting reminded me of an article from earlier this year. Colorado Springs PD couldn't do anything about the shooter because they probably had their hands full infiltrating every homeless support group and vaguely leftist organization in town:

https://www.csindy.com/news/cspd-s-investigation-of-colorado-springs-leftist-community/article_c32e3e94-8e87-11ec-b79c-af375a716657.html

quote:

Jon Christiansen says he has reason to feel paranoid. In 2020 and 2021, while law enforcement and other officials painted a picture of rising crime rates and an ongoing struggle to recruit enough police officers, Christiansen and other activists in left-leaning organizations were the subject of what they say was a politically motivated and wasteful undercover investigation. 

“I’m blown away by the amount of resources the city had to have spent to spy on peaceful political groups,” says Jon, who co-founded the Chinook Center with wife Sam Christiansen and Shaun Walls. “This certainly doesn’t seem like a wise use of taxpayer money — to have an undercover cop spending hours to discover that the Tenant Union helps tenants, that the [Democratic Socialists of America] and Our Revolution try to pass laws and elect candidates that reflect their values, or that the Chinook Center is a space for groups to organize. All of those groups are completely above ground and explicit about their goals.” The investigation started after the June 2020 Black Lives Matter protests, when a CSPD undercover officer spent a year posing as a political activist to infiltrate a variety of progressive organizations including the Chinook Center, the Colorado Springs chapter of the DSA, the Colorado Springs Tenants Union, and the Colorado Springs Mutual Aid and Solidarity Union. Officer April Rogers, using the alias “Chelsie Kurti,” gained access to internal chat groups, membership rosters and email accounts associated with the groups.

To maintain her cover, Rogers made fake social media accounts and even registered to vote as Chelsie Kurti. The operation ended after the arrests of Jon Christiansen, Walls, Charles Johnson and two other activists, at the publicly advertised Housing March during the Colorado Springs sesquicentennial celebration, for mostly misdemeanor offenses unrelated to the undercover operation. Sam Christiansen called the investigation “ridiculous,” adding, “We’re just regular activists in the community and now everyone is looking back, not knowing where the lines of genuine concern for other people was, or was this all just a fishing expedition trying to find something out.” While activists say the investigation was politically motivated, CSPD asserts it was only investigating “criminal activity.”

Asked about the justification for the undercover investigation into leftist groups, Lt. James Sokolik, CSPD’s public information officer, said in an email, “CSPD does not target groups or organizations based upon political affiliation or ideology. We are committed to safeguarding our citizens’ constitutional rights, including freedom of speech and the right to assemble. CSPD does however investigate criminal activity or allegations of criminal activity even if that person is a member of a political organization. We have not targeted the Chinook Center, the DSA, or the Colorado Springs Tenants Union, but if someone who identifies as a member of those organizations is committing crimes, that suspect is going to be investigated just like any other suspect, with whatever resources are needed.”

Sokolik declined to provide details about the efficacy of the investigation, or if any of the arrests of activists from June 2020 through July 2021 were directly tied to Rogers’ work. “I am not going to be able to discuss undercover operations,” he said.

Although the Indy asked CSPD to clarify what “criminal activity” the undercover officer was investigating, Sokolik did not answer that question. 

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



In case I wasn't clear, the laptop/Hunter Biden chatter should stop or move elsewhere until there's something that's a current event comes up regarding it. This thread isn't for finding an audience for whatever is annoying you today.

Quorum
Sep 24, 2014

REMIND ME AGAIN HOW THE LITTLE HORSE-SHAPED ONES MOVE?

Herstory Begins Now posted:

The far right clearly considers itself to be at war with basically anyone not straight white and christian and holy gently caress we need basically the entirety of the federal security apparatus to be going after them night and day

Yeah, I definitely love being the subject of an entire moral panic effectively designed to produce stochastic terrorist attacks on people like me, that's such a healthy aspect of this very healthy country. :sigh:

Push El Burrito
May 9, 2006

Soiled Meat
The problem with these shooters is there isn't any red flags with them since the hatred and threats they spout off are just mainstream conservative ideas in America.

Heck Yes! Loam!
Nov 15, 2004

a rich, friable soil containing a relatively equal mixture of sand and silt and a somewhat smaller proportion of clay.

Push El Burrito posted:

The problem with these shooters is there isn't any red flags with them since the hatred and threats they spout off are just mainstream conservative ideas in America.

This is not the case at all. Domestic violence is an indicator of future mass violence. We could easily be doing much more to disarm people convicted of domestic violence, but then we would also have to disband a good chunk of the police force and disarm them.

Oxyclean
Sep 23, 2007


Push El Burrito posted:

The problem with these shooters is there isn't any red flags with them since the hatred and threats they spout off are just mainstream conservative ideas in America.
I mean, those are the red flags, it's just america has decided not to see them as such.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:



what Hunter has done that's analogous to the Trump boys is to be a legal way for people to pay off Daddy,

Is Daddy being paid off? Didn't Biden famously have to borrow money from Obama for his son's cancer treatment?

Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006




Charlz Guybon posted:

Is Daddy being paid off? Didn't Biden famously have to borrow money from Obama for his son's cancer treatment?

YMB desperately wants to equate the two. The rhetorical goal being to attach the feelings folks have about Trump and all that to Biden. The analogy doesn’t have to valid. Just constantly pair the two over and over again and human brains will be human brains.

Bird in a Blender
Nov 17, 2005

It's amazing what they can do with computers these days.

Charlz Guybon posted:

Is Daddy being paid off? Didn't Biden famously have to borrow money from Obama for his son's cancer treatment?

As far as I can tell, Obama simply offered money to Joe because Joe was considering selling his house to help Beaux’s family. He never accepted any money, and it was only considered at all because Beaux was thinking of quitting his job.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Fister Roboto posted:

The shooting reminded me of an article from earlier this year. Colorado Springs PD couldn't do anything about the shooter because they probably had their hands full infiltrating every homeless support group and vaguely leftist organization in town:

https://www.csindy.com/news/cspd-s-investigation-of-colorado-springs-leftist-community/article_c32e3e94-8e87-11ec-b79c-af375a716657.html

wouldnt be shocked. it also sounds like the shooter was a grandson of some local chud celebrity in California and got his record sealed after he did a couple bomb threats. its gonna turn out that he whined to grand dad and grandad told the pigs to gently caress off.

https://twitter.com/chadloder/status/1594467765351776256

https://twitter.com/chadloder/status/1594478553034158080


meanwhile the chuds on twitter are doing coy dickhead troll poo poo.
https://twitter.com/ErinInTheMorn/status/1594478599113003008

Mustard Iceman
Apr 8, 2015

Weak against ketchup

Dapper_Swindler posted:


meanwhile the chuds on twitter are doing coy dickhead troll poo poo.
https://twitter.com/ErinInTheMorn/status/1594478599113003008

Unsurprising. Dead gays is what the conservative movement wants; they're just mad the government isn't publicly doing the executions themselves and they have to rely on people like this turd from Colorado.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

Dapper_Swindler posted:

wouldnt be shocked. it also sounds like the shooter was a grandson of some local chud celebrity in California and got his record sealed after he did a couple bomb threats. its gonna turn out that he whined to grand dad and grandad told the pigs to gently caress off.

https://twitter.com/chadloder/status/1594467765351776256

https://twitter.com/chadloder/status/1594478553034158080


meanwhile the chuds on twitter are doing coy dickhead troll poo poo.
https://twitter.com/ErinInTheMorn/status/1594478599113003008

This is like some Patrick Bateman/American Psycho poo poo how some random woman basically goes from being an unassuming real estate agent in New York to the literal loving CEO of Domestic Terrorism basically overnight. Like she went to an ATM one night to withdraw $200, and the screen flashed FEED ME A STRAY CAT and she turned into a monster.

Then again, given my experience with real estate agents over the years, it's not THAT shocking; a lot of them are that exact type of vile sociopaths who get off on others suffering.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

Bird in a Blender posted:

As far as I can tell, Obama simply offered money to Joe because Joe was considering selling his house to help Beaux’s family. He never accepted any money, and it was only considered at all because Beaux was thinking of quitting his job.

Ok, but that still presents Joe as being rather poor for a politician.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Herstory Begins Now posted:

The far right clearly considers itself to be at war with basically anyone not straight white and christian and holy gently caress we need basically the entirety of the federal security apparatus to be going after them night and day

Why on earth would they want to go after their friends and colleagues?

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Why on earth would they want to go after their friends and colleagues?

the FBI have an awful lot of flaws but part of their remit is to dunk on the worst of the worst police departments, which they do sometimes, and domestic terrorists regardless of flavor, which they do sometimes

I mean, it's how we have the ongoing scoop up of various Jan 2021 coup morons

I mention the FBI specifically because of the police department thing, but more broadly federal lawn order isn't, well, pro-this

are they going to come down hard enough? almost certainly not, we're seeing the resources committed against a literal attempted coup and that effort is merely fine, pulverizing the entire stochastic terrorism structure of the far right would be another animal entirely

Eregos
Aug 17, 2006

A Reversal of Fortune, Perhaps?
Who has convincing arguments on corporate profits & inflation?

Was watching The Midterms, Inflation, and Crime With Rep. Katie Porter | The Problem With Jon Stewart Podcast & have thoughts.

I’ve been thinking inflation ended up leading to high corporate profits because demand for many basic goods is inelastic. Like how inelastic demand for oil combined with a supply crunch led to record oil company profits in 2005. People need gas to drive, and so will pay outrageous prices, and prices must skyrocket a lot to get a small reduction in demand. Until Covid wrecked the supply chain, we didn’t have a disaster profound enough to cause systemic disruptions that would trigger an economy-wide inelasticity effect. Which is why previous problems, like a chip factory destroyed or bad food harvest would lead to price spikes for that good which were manageable because even if there wasn’t a direct competitor, there were secondary or tertiary options in most cases that could fill a similar role. But the Covid supply crisis upended that by increasing the costs of almost everything at once, and so consumer demand had nowhere else to go but to push prices up.

So Katie Porter and Jon Stewart look to have placed cause and effect essentially backwards. What primarily seems to have happened is inflation (indirectly) led to high corporate profits, not the other way around.

I’m a bit sympathetic to Larry Summers’ arguments, who I sometimes disagree with, that the situation calls for massive demand destruction. It’s more defensible than it would ordinarily be, but I’m very reticent to support it because of the unequalizing impact it would have on an already unequal USA.

I’m open to the possibility there’s significant price gauging in the economy. I agree with Porter and Stewart there are too many monopolies in the US. I don’t have huge expectations prices will rapidly drop as supply chains normalize, I think they will lag behind and consumer behaviors will have to change to force them down.

I do support a windfall tax on oil and gas. It seems to me like maybe a US-wide corporate windfall tax for supply chain disasters could be a doable policy, broadening out the concept from oil and gas since the situations seem similar. But what would be the triggering point for such a tax? Difficult to work out. But, there was enough competition in gas after the 2005 crisis that prices fell rapidly as supply returned. I don’t think the return to normal will as good for the broader economy this time because some fixed costs like energy and transportation will remain higher. This is all just how it looks to me right now, my thinking isn’t set in stone. I’m open to ideas.

FirstnameLastname
Jul 10, 2022

Staluigi posted:

cocaine metabolites can typically be detected two days out, in a piss test for four days, and depending on the regularity of use (among other factors like how much benzoylecgonine your fat stores) you can test hot 2 weeks out. Don't know where this "coke's gone in 12 hours" comes from

IIRC LSD is metabolized and out of your blood before the effects of the drug even finish. (Ya I looked it up & 3.6 hour half-life ) MDMA also zips out of you very fast. They might've been mixing their substance half-lifes up?

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead
Extremely short version: if the inflation* problem is global, which it really REALLY is, there's only so much that monetary policy and, ugh, demand destruction can do. We should right now today be subsidizing the less well off to balance out any cooling efforts that, again, may be of limited value due to the global nature of the crunch.

The Fed should have the ability to push button and send out stimulus checks. They SOMEWHAT do already, it's just laundered through banks and other wealthy entities. Literally trickle down.

* - calling the current situation 'inflation' is literally accurate in the CPI sense, but most people imagine inflation as a money supply problem, which this really really is not

Morrow
Oct 31, 2010

Charlz Guybon posted:

Ok, but that still presents Joe as being rather poor for a politician.

Biden was consistently ranked as one of the least well off members of the senate. Not poor, per se, but he was definitely not raking in cash and fortuitous stock trades. Say what you will about him he wasn't in it for personal enrichment.

Edit: for maximum irony, a big chunk of his wealth came from sales and engagement for the book about his son's death

https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-biden-net-worth-lifestyle-real-estate-family-wealth-assets-2020-1

Apparently he was still worth ~1.5 million before but a lot of it was just his house.

GreyjoyBastard posted:

Extremely short version: if the inflation* problem is global, which it really REALLY is, there's only so much that monetary policy and, ugh, demand destruction can do. We should right now today be subsidizing the less well off to balance out any cooling efforts that, again, may be of limited value due to the global nature of the crunch.

The Fed should have the ability to push button and send out stimulus checks. They SOMEWHAT do already, it's just laundered through banks and other wealthy entities. Literally trickle down.

* - calling the current situation 'inflation' is literally accurate in the CPI sense, but most people imagine inflation as a money supply problem, which this really really is not

Basically. There's not much to do but wait it out until global shipping and energy prices stabilize.

Morrow fucked around with this message at 04:24 on Nov 21, 2022

Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006




GreyjoyBastard posted:

Extremely short version: if the inflation* problem is global, which it really REALLY is, there's only so much that monetary policy and, ugh, demand destruction can do.

Demand destruction caused by raising rates in the US, because we are the reserve currency, is also overseas demand destruction as other central banks respond to our actions or suffer capital flight. It’s probably more of an effect overseas and there are some papers on it about the last time it happened that I can’t remember where I saw and I’m not searching through 40-50 pages of posts to find when I referenced them last in CSPAM.

They were mistaken about the supply chain effects because the model for a supply shock the math for that originated in vessel stability and it’s a ship getting hit by a big wave. The more accurate math to use as a model would have been a reduction in initial stability. Team transitory was reaching the wrong conclusions because they were using the wrong model, which to be fair was the “right” model.

Everybody in the world is going to hurt as rates continue to rise. We relatively will hurt less.

It is a very bad outcome.

Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006




Years ago during the Obama admin there was a NIE called Global Futures or something similar. One of the scenarios was stalled engines. That’s the one that is happening. It’s the bad scenario. Everybody is worse off. But the rest of the world will be more wise off.

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004

коммунизм хранится в яичках

cr0y posted:

Any investigations that get done with Hunter I hope are handled by the Democrats in the exact same way the Republicans handled all of their poo poo.

-Ignore every subpoena
-Deflect on every question
-Whataboutism every direct line of inquiry
-Use every second of televised microphone time to bash Trump and completely avoid the topic at hand
-etc

Maybe this is childish and shallow but whatever

I mean it clearly works, we still have members of Congress who organized and participated in the Jan 6 insurrection in office, and Trump's still walking around free and running his campaign grift again.

Heck Yes! Loam! posted:

This is not the case at all. Domestic violence is an indicator of future mass violence. We could easily be doing much more to disarm people convicted of domestic violence, but then we would also have to disband a good chunk of the police force and disarm them.

In this case it's looking like 'domestic violence on the scale that resulted in hostage negotiations and a standoff with SWAT' last year, because that fucker was threatening to kill his mom, too.

But yeah, this guy shoots up what has been mentioned to be a drag event at a gay bar the day after Boston Childrens' Hospital gets a third bomb threat over treating trans kids, and absolutely no one is willing to hold the right wing 'influencers' like Matt Walsh and Chaya Raichik who are openly calling on their following to engage in this sort of violence accountable.

Liquid Communism fucked around with this message at 10:40 on Nov 21, 2022

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin

Oxyclean posted:

I mean, those are the red flags, it's just america has decided not to see them as such.

It's just politics and they're nice to me! It is in fact condescension like that which has made them a raging homophobe!

Meatball
Mar 2, 2003

That's a Spicy Meatball

Pillbug

Liquid Communism posted:

But yeah, this guy shoots up what has been mentioned to be a drag event at a gay bar the day after Boston Childrens' Hospital gets a third bomb threat over treating trans kids, and absolutely no one is willing to hold the right wing 'influencers' like Matt Walsh and Chaya Raichik who are openly calling on their following to engage in this sort of violence accountable.

Libs of tiktok has named herself a stochastic terrorist on Twitter. Yet everyone - media, democrats, everyone - refuses to call it out. They're coordinating bomb threats and violence, and apparently nobody is able to do anything about it.

Biden is blaming guns for the CS shooting, but he's got it wrong in this case. It's the LGBT hate that is broadcast 24/7. If they got rid of the guns, the terrorists will just use bombs.

silence_kit
Jul 14, 2011

by the sex ghost
edit: nvm

silence_kit fucked around with this message at 14:16 on Nov 21, 2022

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

GreyjoyBastard posted:

the FBI have an awful lot of flaws but part of their remit is to dunk on the worst of the worst police departments, which they do sometimes, and domestic terrorists regardless of flavor, which they do sometimes

I mean, it's how we have the ongoing scoop up of various Jan 2021 coup morons

I mention the FBI specifically because of the police department thing, but more broadly federal lawn order isn't, well, pro-this

are they going to come down hard enough? almost certainly not, we're seeing the resources committed against a literal attempted coup and that effort is merely fine, pulverizing the entire stochastic terrorism structure of the far right would be another animal entirely

You're asking the FBI to undo so much of their own work here

WebDO
Sep 25, 2009


Meatball posted:

Libs of tiktok has named herself a stochastic terrorist on Twitter. Yet everyone - media, democrats, everyone - refuses to call it out. They're coordinating bomb threats and violence, and apparently nobody is able to do anything about it.

Biden is blaming guns for the CS shooting, but he's got it wrong in this case. It's the LGBT hate that is broadcast 24/7. If they got rid of the guns, the terrorists will just use bombs.

What if, and hear me out I know this is crazy, we got rid of guns AND domestic terrorism?

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Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004

коммунизм хранится в яичках

Meatball posted:

Libs of tiktok has named herself a stochastic terrorist on Twitter. Yet everyone - media, democrats, everyone - refuses to call it out. They're coordinating bomb threats and violence, and apparently nobody is able to do anything about it.

Biden is blaming guns for the CS shooting, but he's got it wrong in this case. It's the LGBT hate that is broadcast 24/7. If they got rid of the guns, the terrorists will just use bombs.

Yep, and Walsh's bio has long called himself a Theocratic Fascist. The issue isn't weapons, it's letting terrorists operate freely because you don't want to find out your cops agree with them more than they do you.

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