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I did NOT pony up for that, so my Model 3 does not have any excuse to start murdering people. edit: pitiful yet confusing page snipe.
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# ? Nov 24, 2022 20:46 |
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Yeah yeah we know, you're one of "the good ones"
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# ? Nov 24, 2022 21:49 |
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Humbug Scoolbus posted:I did NOT pony up for that, so my Model 3 does not have any excuse to start murdering people. One OTA update away from murdertron
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# ? Nov 24, 2022 22:35 |
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At thanksgiving and we went out to see the update in my buddy’s new 3. I thought this option was intriguing and didn’t see it in the few articles I saw
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# ? Nov 24, 2022 22:41 |
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The term 'full self driving capability' has to be actionable, right? There's no way that holds up in court considering y'know, the deaths and all...
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# ? Nov 24, 2022 22:52 |
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Olympic Mathlete posted:The term 'full self driving capability' has to be actionable, right? There's no way that holds up in court considering y'know, the deaths and all... Exclusive: Tesla faces U.S. criminal probe over self-driving claims quote:Oct 25 - Tesla Inc (TSLA.O) is under criminal investigation in the United States over claims that the company's electric vehicles can drive themselves, three people familiar with the matter said.
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# ? Nov 24, 2022 22:56 |
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everdave posted:At thanksgiving and we went out to see the update in my buddy’s new 3. I thought this option was intriguing and didn’t see it in the few articles I saw It’s been available for awhile now. It’s particularly egregious since if you don’t have the FSD beta (which was a pretty limited user pool till this week,) all the $200/mo got you was automated lane changes.
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# ? Nov 25, 2022 00:08 |
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What's worse? an alcoholic at the helm or a poorly trained pile of math with limited input features?
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# ? Nov 25, 2022 00:18 |
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cursedshitbox posted:What's worse? an alcoholic at the helm or a poorly trained pile of math with limited input features? I bet there's a government agency, university or newspaper that would pay you money to find out. All scientific like.
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# ? Nov 25, 2022 00:21 |
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Olympic Mathlete posted:The term 'full self driving capability' has to be actionable, right? There's no way that holds up in court considering y'know, the deaths and all... Seems pretty clear cut - if the car isn't capable of driving by itself in all conditions then it shouldn't be called 'Full self driving'. Call it 'Limited self driving' or 'Partial self driving'
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# ? Nov 25, 2022 00:26 |
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cursedshitbox posted:What's worse? an alcoholic at the helm or a poorly trained pile of math with limited input features? Uhhhhh. Jeeez. After consideration the poorly trained math. Just.
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# ? Nov 25, 2022 01:08 |
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Olympic Mathlete posted:The term 'full self driving capability' has to be actionable, right? There's no way that holds up in court considering y'know, the deaths and all...
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# ? Nov 25, 2022 01:50 |
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Uhhhhh. Jeeez. What if the math is drunk? Asking for a friend's car.
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# ? Nov 25, 2022 03:15 |
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Humbug Scoolbus posted:What if the math is drunk? Asking for a friend's car. What if the mathematician is drunk?
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# ? Nov 25, 2022 04:08 |
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dissss posted:Seems pretty clear cut - if the car isn't capable of driving by itself in all conditions then it shouldn't be called 'Full self driving'. Call it 'Limited self driving' or 'Partial self driving' "Self driving" is a pure marketing term no matter which company uses it. I agree that it's false advertising in Tesla's case, but that's about it. They don't actually say anywhere that their cars can drive themselves without human intervention. They just heavily imply it in a scummy way. SAE International has a very clear explanation of what qualifies for each level of autonomous driving they define. Level 0: fully manual car, not even including cruise control. Duh. Level 1: shared manual and computer control. Features like cruise control, radar cruise control, lane keeping assist, automatic emergency braking, automatic parallel parking, etc. In no situation can the driver relinquish full control to the car -- human input is always required. Every new car on the market has most of these features now. Level 2: hands-off driving. You can let go of the controls under some range of situations that the manufacturer can define, and the car will accelerate, brake, and steer itself, but you have to watch the road and be ready to immediately take control at any moment. Tesla's autopilot is here, and so is GM super cruise, Ford blue cruise, etc. It doesn't matter if the manufacturer says you can only do this on highways, or if they claim it can be used on any street anywhere, or what set of features like lane changing and navigation it has. The key distinction is: if there needs to be a driver monitoring who must be able to take over instantly, it's no higher than level 2. Level 3: "eyes-off" driving. You can take your hands off the wheel and start texting or watching a movie. The car can do all the driving by itself, and when it encounters something it can't handle, it will alert you to pay attention and take over. Notably, this means that the car has to handle emergencies flawlessly on its own. You can't just beep and say TAKE OVER IMMEDIATELY and give up control, as teslas do, and call yourself level 3. You have to give the human a couple of seconds at least to drop their phone, parse what's going on, and react appropriately. Level 4: "brain off" self driving. You can go to sleep and let the car do its thing. The level 4 area can be strictly defined and limited; for instance, you could have a car where you have to drive it manually onto the highway, and then it takes over and drives itself all the way to your destination offramp while you sleep, where it exits and pulls over and wakes you up to keep going. Obviously because you are asleep the car has to handle everything in that defined envelope, including all emergency situations and safely pulling over and stopping in a situation beyond its capacity. Level 5: no steering wheel required robotic car. You just get in and it goes where you tell it to, handling every situation as well as a professional human driver could. As noted, every car you've been able to buy for 20 years is at least level 1. Nearly every car with self-driving features today is at most level 2, including all teslas. There is one Honda car that has been legally approved as level 3, and only in traffic jams -- in that situation you can sit back and play with your phone. There is no car you can buy that drives level 3 in any other situation. The waymo self-driving cars are level 4 in the few areas they operate, like the geofenced part of downtown Phoenix where they're allowed to drive with no driver. No car without multiple lidars and a centimeter level map of the operational area is even close to level 4. Level 5 will probably require strong AI, and so is decades away at least. So anyway the long and short of this is: Tesla uses weasely terms like "full-self-driving" and "autopilot" because they know that the technical definitions will reveal that their cars are no better than anyone else's. Level 3 is where the car begins to truly become autonomous, and I've seen them making claims that their cars are already level 3, but they absolutely aren't as long as they have that tiny line about keeping your hands on the wheel. They're just plain old level 2, and not a very reliable implementation at that, with a bunch of extra features (summon, etc) crammed in to make it seem like they're more advanced and right on the verge of level 4 or 5. Sagebrush fucked around with this message at 08:11 on Nov 25, 2022 |
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cursedshitbox posted:What's worse? an alcoholic at the helm or a poorly trained pile of math with limited input features? With Tesla you can have both
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Sagebrush posted:There is one Honda car that has been legally approved as level 3, and only in traffic jams -- in that situation you can sit back and play with your phone. There is no car you can buy that drives level 3 in any other situation. Mercedes is selling the S class and the EQS with level 3 capability. Only in traffic jams and on specific roads. At least in Germany. No idea how it is in the US
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# ? Nov 25, 2022 12:57 |
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bad_fmr posted:With Tesla you can have both Hey! I do not drink anymore...the alcoholic part is still true..
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# ? Nov 25, 2022 18:56 |
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It begins? https://twitter.com/jdpoc/status/1596184675558514689?t=Aa_gYn4P1z-K3CLuwFHwog&s=19
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# ? Nov 26, 2022 23:11 |
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Deteriorata posted:Tesla's AI is a 92-year-old woman who can't see over the dash.
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# ? Nov 27, 2022 00:02 |
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literally my same feeling the first time i rode in a friend's tesla with "full self driving." it felt like driving with my grandma just before she gave up her license at age 85. only dimly aware of the situation around her, jerky on the controls, unable to see more than a few hundred feet ahead, suddenly pulling terrifying moves out of nowhere, no planning for stoplights etc, only reacting (at the last second) to what the car immediately in front of her was doing.
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# ? Nov 27, 2022 00:07 |
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Humbug Scoolbus posted:Hey! I do not drink anymore...the alcoholic part is still true.. Same. Friend of Bill W, I take it? Grumbletron 4000 posted:
Head to the Subaru thread, but that doesn't look bad. I'd probably order a used engine harness and swap it (if the chassis side isn't damaged - the bit I can see looks fine). I'd guess new plug wires, that harness, intake manifold gaskets (since I think it has to come off, or at least you get a lot more access?), injector o-rings. CAT INTERCEPTOR would know more about the harness routing and what needs to come off, he's a walking Boobaru dictionary. e: looks like it's still available new from Subaru, but MSRP is about $400 for a new one, and the part numbers change year to year. Looks like used harnesses on eBay are going for $150-200. Go to parts.subaru.com, put in your VIN, then search for "engine wiring harness" to get the exact part number for a brand new one (it'll start with 24020), then search Google with the part number to find a reasonably priced dealer that can get one (not all dealers partner with parts.subaru.com). 08-09 automatic is 24020AE050, for example. Comedy option: repair the existing harness. Been there done that on a different car, wish I had just replaced the harness (... or the car). You're gonna want to get that engine bay washed down with some degreaser (or at least soaked in Simple Green, then hosed off) ASAP - that fire extinguisher powder is really nasty. randomidiot fucked around with this message at 09:54 on Nov 27, 2022 |
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Sagebrush posted:So anyway the long and short of this is: Tesla uses weasely terms like "full-self-driving" and "autopilot" because they know that the technical definitions will reveal that their cars are no better than anyone else's. Level 3 is where the car begins to truly become autonomous, and I've seen them making claims that their cars are already level 3, but they absolutely aren't as long as they have that tiny line about keeping your hands on the wheel. They're just plain old level 2, and not a very reliable implementation at that, with a bunch of extra features (summon, etc) crammed in to make it seem like they're more advanced and right on the verge of level 4 or 5. Tesla also has the albatross of Elon Musk hanging around its neck, and Elon is currently doing everything he can to piss off members of congress including personally insulting Senator Ed Markey, who is on multiple subcommittees such as Subcommittee on Surface Transportation, Maritime, Freight, and Ports and Subcommittee on Consumer Protection, Product Safety, and Data Security. A few calls and some pressure in the right spots and we'll see the NHTSA stating that "full self driving" Teslas should be taken off the road, insurance companies refusing to cover FSD crashes, etc. Tesla owners told they're not allowed to drive their $70k cars due to the CEO botching everything he can will go over real well in the long run!
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# ? Nov 28, 2022 15:15 |
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Considering this guy is one of the world's biggest tesla shills... Sounds like more stress than just driving. Being on high alert in case your car tries to Looney Tunes itself into a wall. https://twitter.com/WholeMarsBlog/status/1595129298368634880?t=lRT8-9yv02gl5yZoejuFCA&s=19
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# ? Nov 28, 2022 16:49 |
I saw a Tesla the other day on the highway that had a "SELF-DRIVING CAR" decal on the back. Does that imply that all Teslas in self-driving mode must carry that decal? Or has that now come to an end and I have to pass every Tesla quickly because any of them might be self-driving and could suddenly go berserker mode?
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# ? Nov 28, 2022 16:53 |
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Avoid at all costs imo. And that thread has a lot of people telling on the tech which in itself is a beautiful thing. Here is a Tesla making GBS threads itself on a straight road. https://twitter.com/freemarket/status/1595186568511332353?t=3yLJQ685WGg0TFGEvU5mEw&s=19
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# ? Nov 28, 2022 17:05 |
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Olympic Mathlete posted:Avoid at all costs imo. People just need to stop using FSD. It doesn't work and its just dangerous.
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# ? Nov 28, 2022 17:08 |
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Data Graham posted:I saw a Tesla the other day on the highway that had a "SELF-DRIVING CAR" decal on the back. Does that imply that all Teslas in self-driving mode must carry that decal? That's a FSD apologist, helpfully warning people that they're not ready to take over. tl;dr it's a sticker warning you to stay faaaaaaaar away.
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# ? Nov 28, 2022 17:20 |
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Olympic Mathlete posted:Avoid at all costs imo. This is attempted murder. Straight up horrifying.
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# ? Nov 28, 2022 18:27 |
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American corporations have been doing the “we have a feature (our lawyers and safety experts warn you not to use it), try it today!” stuff for a long time but this seems especially egregious. Lawn darts put people into hospitals and even killed three children, and the US had the collective wisdom to knock that poo poo off the shelves. FSD is lawn darts but it can kill an entire family and someone else’s driving down the street, and has 10 of the 11 deaths involved with “automated driving” across a 4-month period. I like electric cars too but if you’re a Tesla owner please don’t turn that loving system on.
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# ? Nov 28, 2022 18:38 |
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What is the point of a car driving itself if you have to be 100% alert and ready to take over at any given time - I expect that is considerably more stressful than just driving yourself. All these moronic solutions trying to solve a problem that would be better dealt with by implementing decent public transport.
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# ? Nov 28, 2022 19:01 |
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Lord Ludikrous posted:What is the point of a car driving itself if you have to be 100% alert and ready to take over at any given time - I expect that is considerably more stressful than just driving yourself. I remember reading about more airplane crashes cause pilot's let the computers do the work and are just zoning out when they have to take over. Being 100% alert while doing nothing is hard to do.
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# ? Nov 28, 2022 19:15 |
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Imperador do Brasil posted:This is attempted murder. Straight up horrifying. Tesla killing their own dumb customers is good so long as they don't hurt anyone else
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# ? Nov 28, 2022 19:28 |
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Lord Ludikrous posted:What is the point of a car driving itself if you have to be 100% alert and ready to take over at any given time - I expect that is considerably more stressful than just driving yourself. It's just not more stressful, it's absolutely proven to be a worse solution in every way. Humans just don't work like that. This is what is being discussed when people talk about this being the most dangerous phase of automation - when it's good enough to work most of the time but there's still that 1% that's going to gently caress up badly enough to kill you. It's not how our attention spans work. This is all very well studied, specifically in aviation. BraveUlysses posted:Tesla killing their own dumb customers is good so long as they don't hurt anyone else Except they're literally running a beta test on public roads. So they're not just killing their own customers.
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# ? Nov 28, 2022 19:32 |
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Important Bulletin! Humbug's Model 3 still has not killed anyone or even attempted to! Humbug also did not spring for the self-driving package because he is not insane.
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# ? Nov 28, 2022 22:24 |
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Humbug school bus: "one of the good ones".
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# ? Nov 28, 2022 23:30 |
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I know it's been said before but remember also that going live now and being first means they either get it right or poison the well for everyone else. Move fast and break things never weighed 4000lbs before though...
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# ? Nov 29, 2022 05:09 |
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honda whisperer posted:I know it's been said before but remember also that going live now and being first means they either get it right or poison the well for everyone else. Or spontaneously combusted on a hot day.
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# ? Nov 29, 2022 05:11 |
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I can't even rely on right click paste to work in Discord, how the gently caress am I going to trust some garbage software from a company run by a dumbass who can't code to drive my car? https://www.reddit.com/r/discordapp/comments/z1yaoc/cant_copy_and_paste_anything_to_discord_any_more/
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Zil posted:Or spontaneously combusted on a hot day. On that note I've seen several Tesla's and also and ID.4 go through that flooded ford that's all over YouTube at rhe moment. Is rhe fire risk specifically from salt water?
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# ? Nov 29, 2022 06:25 |