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I vastly prefer this convo to whatever that was going on before Edit: gently caress
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Cleretic posted:I'm guessing the lost decade recognition around Ala Mhigo is probably right alongside the Elementals being recognized as essentially classical kami as 'poo poo that went over all our heads'. Don’t forget the 60-70 samurai quests and Venat’s ending too.
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Nov 25, 2022 18:33
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DACK FAYDEN posted:I mean fwiw all the code for it is just sitting there in public on the git Too bad my brain goes "but what if the author puts malware in it and nobody notices until it's too late???" Yes my brain is broken, Eureka probably didn't help.
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I wonder what the point of Tataru's grand whatever is going to be, because at the moment running around being her travelling salesman feels a bit beneath the WoL. And I guess everyone is running regular Sil'dihn solo? I ran the left path solo but wanted to do the others in a group, but every time I queue I get hit with a 20+ minute queue time. There being basically no rewards doesn't help I'm sure...
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Nov 25, 2022 19:27
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The Monarch posted:I wonder what the point of Tataru's grand whatever is going to be, because at the moment running around being her travelling salesman feels a bit beneath the WoL. There is literally nothing involving Tataru that is beneath the WoL. We are lucky we get to even be in her presence
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Nov 25, 2022 19:28
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Cursing the new page with more godbert discussion: separate from his opinions on charity, I find it a little uncomfortable that Godbert is lauded for hiring immigrants but the standard dress code for female Gold Saucer employees is a skimpy bunny outfit with fishnet tights. It paralells exploitation of real-life migrant women a little too closely. But I also think it's 100% unintentional, and since this is a fantasy world I can suspend disbelief and buy that none of the employees are uncomfortable, etc.
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Nov 25, 2022 19:29
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Macaluso posted:There is literally nothing involving Tataru that is beneath the WoL. We are lucky we get to even be in her presence If it was she would still make us do it.
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Rand Brittain posted:If it was she would still make us do it. 
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Nov 25, 2022 19:31
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Any of the Scions could give me an ARR-level kill 20 marmots style quest and I would do it without question.
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Nov 25, 2022 19:43
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The Monarch posted:And I guess everyone is running regular Sil'dihn solo? I ran the left path solo but wanted to do the others in a group, but every time I queue I get hit with a 20+ minute queue time. There being basically no rewards doesn't help I'm sure...
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Soloing it is painfully slow. When I come back next week I'm going to have to beg people for runs.
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Nov 25, 2022 20:02
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Cicadalek posted:Cursing the new page with more godbert discussion: separate from his opinions on charity, I find it a little uncomfortable that Godbert is lauded for hiring immigrants but the standard dress code for female Gold Saucer employees is a skimpy bunny outfit with fishnet tights. It paralells exploitation of real-life migrant women a little too closely. It's a tacky casino. I wouldn't think that hard about it.
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Nov 25, 2022 20:04
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super sweet best pal posted:Soloing it is painfully slow. When I come back next week I'm going to have to beg people for runs. Given the quality of the typical pubbie and how the scaling works, playing as a competent Melee DPS is just as fast as doing it with the average 4-man pubbie team. Maybe even a bit faster.
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Also it doesn't care about balance so you might end up with a team of three healers and a DPS, all of whom refuse to tank
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The Monarch posted:I wonder what the point of Tataru's grand whatever is going to be, because at the moment running around being her travelling salesman feels a bit beneath the WoL. the point of the questline is to catch up on old side story characters you otherwise have no reason to hang out with anymore. more diegeticly, you're helping tataru because she and the wol are friends, and it's building up to repairing her sentimental necklace because that's a nice thing to do super sweet best pal posted:Soloing it is painfully slow. When I come back next week I'm going to have to beg people for runs. a solo run takes 16 minutes. a two person run takes 16 minutes. a three person run takes 16 minutes. and here's the kicker: a full four person run also takes 16 minutes the only way a solo run can be slower than a light party run is if you're bad at video games, in which case you're making things take longer for everyone else instead
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Nov 25, 2022 20:09
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The notion of anything being beneath the WoL as far as mundanity goes does not exist in this game. It's a core part of the character that they treat saving people and helping kids put up holiday decorations with the same level of diligence.
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if you play a Roegadyn almost everything is beneath the WoL
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There’s a gag quest every expansion where the WoL picks up literal poo poo for *insert reason here*. Nothing is below us.
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Blockhouse posted:The notion of anything being beneath the WoL as far as mundanity goes does not exist in this game. It's a core part of the character that they treat saving people and helping kids put up holiday decorations with the same level of diligence. Because the WoL is driven by a single, powerful, burning desire; to have a clean map.
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All a villain needs to do to recruit an army of WoLs is offer a quest.
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YggiDee posted:Also it doesn't care about balance so you might end up with a team of three healers and a DPS, all of whom refuse to tank You can change jobs inside
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The Monarch posted:I wonder what the point of Tataru's grand whatever is going to be, because at the moment running around being her travelling salesman feels a bit beneath the WoL. I got one path done solo, tried another and completely ate poo poo on the boss (#12), got help with an additional path elsewhere, ten to go and I never have enough time to ask people to back my stupid rear end up
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Blockhouse posted:The notion of anything being beneath the WoL as far as mundanity goes does not exist in this game. It's a core part of the character that they treat saving people and helping kids put up holiday decorations with the same level of diligence. I dunno, the WoL seems convinced that everything to do with the Namazu is beneath them.
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Funky Valentine posted:I dunno, the WoL seems convinced that everything to do with the Namazu is beneath them. Speak for your own WoL mother fucker
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My wol has extreme golden retriever vibes
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Funky Valentine posted:I dunno, the WoL seems convinced that everything to do with the Namazu is beneath them. Weirdest take I've read in a bit
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Some WoLs clearly have an issue with namazu, if housing drama is any indication
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Shinjobi posted:Some WoLs clearly have an issue with namazu, if housing drama is any indication  They will see the error of their ways when our planning is complete, yes yes.
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wizardofloneliness posted:Don’t forget the 60-70 samurai quests and Venat’s ending too. 60-70 Samurai has it going on to a lesser degree, because at least it explains itself and is fairly overtly going for a particular point in Japanese history. It's not asking you to look at Fantasy Middle-East nations and immediately go 'yes, this is exactly like recent Japanese history', it actually does help you along there. Granted, that still doesn't get everyone to that finish line.
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60-70 SAM and the Godbert Incident are both strongly reflective of FFXIV's general post-HW realistic optimism, which is a significant part of what I like about them so much. Ishgard's transition is just a little too naively clean to be truly gripping storytelling, whereas Ala Mhigo, Doma, Kugane, and (especially) Garlemald have a thoroughly engaging friction between a hopeful vision for the future and the concrete reality of the present.
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I always assumed there was some fairly grody political sausage being made behind the scenes in Ishgard, just not where the WoL could see it, and with sufficiently positive results that nobody needed to intervene.
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A lot of the Ishgarde grist is made in class quests and side quests, particularly the reconstruction, a few profession lines and MCH/DRK. There's also the overall plot of the expansion in that we should cut the descendants of a thousand+ years of tradition a bit of slack on enacting societal change. I'm sure there's still lots of ugly class-based prejudice, obstinate people left in the nobility, knighthood and religious sects and the law system won't revamp overnight so there's still trial by combat and other stuff. Unless they send us back there every few patches to see it in action we have to assume it is going on and their society is gradually changing or being prepared to do so in generations to come.
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TheWorldsaStage posted:How long has it been since we've seen Hilda? ShB's MCH quest is the last definitive sighting, although I think EW's MSQ makes mention of her and the Watch taking over most of the policing/guarding duties in Ishgard while the military's out and about.
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Doomykins posted:A lot of the Ishgarde grist is made in class quests and side quests, particularly the reconstruction, a few profession lines and MCH/DRK. There's also the overall plot of the expansion in that we should cut the descendants of a thousand+ years of tradition a bit of slack on enacting societal change. I'm sure there's still lots of ugly class-based prejudice, obstinate people left in the nobility, knighthood and religious sects and the law system won't revamp overnight so there's still trial by combat and other stuff. Unless they send us back there every few patches to see it in action we have to assume it is going on and their society is gradually changing or being prepared to do so in generations to come. Also worth bringing up is the EW caster role quests. All the EW role quests are about 'let's talk about the political stuff we kinda just left hanging when the story moved on', with the one set in Ishgard particularly about how turning around on a dime and broadly vilifying the religion that was part of the entire country's life for literal centuries maybe did more harm than we acknowledged at the time. I actually really liked part later on where we learn some of the church tried to turn to primal summoning in response, acknowledging that it actually did cause the exact same radicalization we'd been fighting in other places. In fact, the only reason it didn't break as bad as many others was because they were bad at summoning primals. That questline tends to be the most polarizing of the role quests, I think because it asks you to be broadly sympathetic towards religious people, which nerds tend not to love--especially nerds playing JRPGs. Cleretic fucked around with this message at 03:52 on Nov 26, 2022 |
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Man, yeah, I was just thinking about that quest. A successful summoning of King Thordan would have left us in a world of poo poo, huh? Especially combined with, y'know, Blasphemies. Big "can an entire city-state get tempered or explode in despair at once?" times.
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Cleretic posted:That questline tends to be the most polarizing of the role quests, I think because it asks you to be broadly sympathetic towards religious people, which nerds tend not to love--especially nerds playing JRPGs. Main thing that bugged me was that it set up for a "I haven't heard of him or the other guy" "I never said anything about the other guy" gotcha and instead WoL just has an Echo vision.
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If you have the correct type of brain damage to enjoy 80 minute videos (albeit a very well presented 80 minutes) about MMO culture, this recent video on WoW raiding culture from Folding Ideas is pretty fascinating as a comparison to FFXIV culture: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKP1I7IocYU You can really see how Yoshi P is trying to avoid going down the same path, where not optimizing your performance to the greatest extent is considered an actual insult by other players.
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Cicadalek posted:If you have the correct type of brain damage to enjoy 80 minute videos (albeit a very well presented 80 minutes) about MMO culture, this recent video on WoW raiding culture from Folding Ideas is pretty fascinating as a comparison to FFXIV culture: No that still exists in FFXIV, it's just much more contained. All the whining about Machinist is related to this (no matter how accurate it is that Machinist is too weak). Sucky people exist everywhere, the issue with WoW raiding (and it can be avoided by finding friends to play with instead of accepting assholes) is that the suckiness trickles down more than in FFXIV. WoW also has an issue where people vastly overestimate the need for optimisation, compared to the content they're doing. You really only need to be fully perfectly optimised for world first mythic raiding, just about everything else except high level mythic dungeon keys don't require nearly that much (and even mythic doesn't always require it, as someone who has easily kept up with mythic raiding guilds despite not playing optimal talent builds).
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