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this is the stuff i like to see https://twitter.com/TheGildedJester/status/1597429175778172928
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I think Lafreniere has + Hands/Shooting/Hockey sense. Maybe not elite (yet) in any of those but above average for the NHL. You'd probably want something elite in the package for a #1 pick though, I'd agree. Seems like he's profiling more along the lines of RNH which is still very valuable. Hughes was a bit in the same boat his first couple of years. We all loved his skating but I think a lot of people had questions about whether his brain/physicality would hold him back. I still worry about him but it's more of a "please don't get crunched in the corner" again kind of thing at this point. T-Bone fucked around with this message at 20:16 on Nov 29, 2022 |
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Nov 29, 2022 20:13
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Iodised QQ posted:Watching that full game last night and just comparing the Devils' rebuild to the Rangers. Both started around the same general time frame and both teams just won the lottery constantly and I hate them both for it. I feel like the non-lottery core of the Rangers is better than the Devils, but the Devils got two players worthy of their draft status who are now carrying their team and the Rangers got...Laf and Kakko he has elite hockey sense. that’s really it. it’s concerning that he really hasn’t developed much since he’s come into the league. he’s not noticeably faster or a better shooter or anything, he’s just the same guy who has a knack for finishing. which got him a lot of even strength goals last year, but that’s not gonna make him a legit top line guy. Kakko has evolved into a legit two way beast and has been our best 5v5 forward. Laf can’t really do poo poo away from the puck and seems very lazy both mentally and physically. would have been nice if our #1/#2 picks were Crosby/Malkin but Kakko will be a good top line forwards for a while and could be dominant if he improves his finishing. with his other skill development I can see that happening. Laf…I dunno. he needs to start going on steroids.
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Laf is funny too, because he was the overwhelming consensus first overall pick in what appears to be the one of the best first rounds in the past 5 years. Outside of him, you've already got Stutzle, Raymond, Sanderson, Drysdale, Quinn, Perfetti, Lundell, Jarvis, Guhle, and Mercer not just playing in the NHL, but playing legitimate minutes, many of them on playoff teams, and thriving in those minutes. What made Laf such an obvious choice at 1OA over those guys?
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bub spank posted:What made Laf such an obvious choice at 1OA over those guys? 112 points in 52 games + 6'1 Who would you definitely take over him from that group right now though? Stutzle? I'm not sure I'd trade him straight up for anyone else mentioned. Maybe Sanderson if he keeps it up. I'm not convinced Raymond is a better player, he just gets way more opportunity on Detroit. T-Bone fucked around with this message at 20:21 on Nov 29, 2022 |
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Nov 29, 2022 20:18
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T-Bone posted:Who would you definitely take over him from that group right now though? Stutzle? I'm not sure I'd trade him straight up for anyone else mentioned. Maybe Sanderson if he keeps it up. I'm not convinced Raymond is a better player, he just gets way more opportunity on Detroit. I'd pick Stutzle over him for sure, in hindsight, and I wouldn't think twice about it. Even if Lafreniere ends up turning a corner and being the player he was "supposed" to be, I think Stutzle is in the same tier as him. Agreed on Sanderson and Raymond. Another guy I'd consider is Jamie Drysdale. He flies a little under the radar I think since he plays in Anaheim, which is a mess, but he's been a top-pairing defenseman in the NHL since he was 18. Part of that is because Anaheim is bad, but part of it is that he's good enough to do it.
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Drysdale is a great skater and I think he'll be good but didn't he struggle mightily with those big minutes?
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Part of that is being a teenager in the NHL with no real support, I think. I mean long term I think he could be a better player than Laf, if trends continue.
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Nov 29, 2022 20:32
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I love Mercer but I'd absolutely trade him for Laf. Laf would probably light it the gently caress up with Bratt or Hughes.
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Nov 29, 2022 20:34
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https://twitter.com/vzmercogliano/status/1597674988806414336 No way to prevent this says person who can prevent it.
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Nov 29, 2022 20:50
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Matt Zerella posted:https://twitter.com/vzmercogliano/status/1597674988806414336 it's very important that he be in there to suck and try to cause concussions.
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Nov 29, 2022 20:56
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Going to the Flames game tonight and hoping that the Flames decide to not be utter dogcrap for one night.
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Nov 29, 2022 20:59
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Looking back at what people were saying about Laf, outside of the amount of points he put up, he had excellent stickhandling and playmaking. He also had a great WJC. The big questions were his speed/skating. It's a bit of a mystery why he's struggling so much, because while he didn't read like a generational talent, he had all the makings for a great player in the NHL.
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Nov 29, 2022 21:04
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I hope Matt Tkachuck slewfoots someone and then beers rain down on his head. And then Sam Bennett scores the game winner.
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Twin Cinema posted:Looking back at what people were saying about Laf, outside of the amount of points he put up, he had excellent stickhandling and playmaking. He also had a great WJC. The big questions were his speed/skating. In fairness it is still early in his career. Who knows how his fortunes change in another year or two or with a new coach who uses him more.
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Nov 29, 2022 21:09
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Laferniere has produced as a second line centre since he came into the league at even strength. He's borderline this year, but his OIsh% is pretty low. He's been fine, just not a world beater.
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Nov 29, 2022 21:21
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T-Bone posted:112 points in 52 games + 6'1 I'd definitely take Stutzle, Sanderson, Lundell, and Raymond over him. I think Lundell flies under the radar a bit in Florida, but he's produced almost as many points as Lafreniere in 70 less games and plays a more important position. I'd probably also take Jarvis and Drysdale over him, partly because they've outperformed him so far, and partly because of their respective positions.
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Nov 29, 2022 22:16
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Matt Zerella posted:https://twitter.com/vzmercogliano/status/1597674988806414336 Wonder if this is why Las Vegas had some pretty incredible amount of injuries and man games lost through the end of Gallant's tenure and continuing into last year. rex rabidorum vires fucked around with this message at 22:59 on Nov 29, 2022 |
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Nov 29, 2022 22:20
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Simplex posted:I would argue Dallas is in the honeymoon phase of the Peter DeBoer experience. They'll be fun and exciting this year, and then next year everyone will die, and you'll be wondering why they don't have any better ideas on offense than Jason Robertson shooting puck from the corner. I can't blame DeBoer for us being stuck with Ryan Suter, but I can blame him for the team having an actual offense again. It might be a honeymoon period, and frankly I don't care.
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Nov 29, 2022 23:04
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T-Bone posted:112 points in 52 games + 6'1 Raymond plays harder minutes and puts up more points, it's no contest unless you start talking about intagibles
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Shinjobi posted:I can't blame DeBoer for us being stuck with Ryan Suter, but I can blame him for the team having an actual offense again. Yeah, I expected the Stars to be right in the sadness zone fighting for a bubble spot, so this is all gravy. I dgaf about next season let's ride this poo poo into the finals, baby!
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Re: Devils vs. Rags rebuilds I think it's also a relatively new thing to peg Nico as a success as a No. 1 pick. Part of that has just been injuries, but he got taken over Makar, Heiskanen, Pettersson and that didn't even really look explicable until recently. With Hughes' struggles you could also at least still see the elite skill. Nico it was less obvious what the value prop was. Of course, the discourse that draft year was the choice between him and Nolan Patrick which lol.
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Iodised QQ posted:Watching that full game last night and just comparing the Devils' rebuild to the Rangers. Both started around the same general time frame and both teams just won the lottery constantly and I hate them both for it. I feel like the non-lottery core of the Rangers is better than the Devils, but the Devils got two players worthy of their draft status who are now carrying their team and the Rangers got...Laf and Kakko He scored 19 even strength goals last season. That's an incredibly good number. To me it all comes back to what I said earlier...Laf and Kakko just don't have any clearly defined roles with the team and are just floated around the lineup constantly. The focus is solely on Panarin and Zibanejad and Kreider and the kids are just supposed to figure it out while being shuffled around the lineup. I think Laf looked pretty good with Panarin earlier, but coach didn't like that so... I feel like with Hischier and Hughes the goal was always to get them into the spotlight and to be the main go to guys on their team and all efforts went into that. With the Rangers, their high picks have just been put into supporting roles e: the lack of power play time cannot be understated either. It's impossible to put up high end offensive numbers without power play time in the NHL and Kakko and Laf get maybe 20-30 seconds of each power play if they're lucky and most of that is spent trying to gain the zone because their line change came when the puck was cleared by the other team. Levitate fucked around with this message at 00:29 on Nov 30, 2022 |
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Maybe the rangers and those two dudes specifically just aren’t very good.
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Laf definitely still needs to improve his skating to get to the next level. As it stands he is very much a complimentary player with a good set of hands. Granted, that's a fine thing to be but he generates next to nothing on his own and doesn't really back-check either Kakko is also not the best skater in the world but he is just an all around smarter player with and without the puck, is good at picking pockets, and can make a play on his own. They both surely have more to give but despite the production differences, I still think Kakko tops out as a higher caliber player than Laf, everything else being equal.
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Tony DeAngelo ruled day-to-day with an ego bruising https://twitter.com/fakehockeyteam/status/1597615396479127553
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Avs going to have their 29th and 30th skaters suit up for them this season tonight as well as hit 91 man-games lost due to injury. Really just beat the hell up to start this season.
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Not Important posted:Tony DeAngelo ruled day-to-day with an ego bruising Tony DeAngelo is a piece of poo poo and deserved the rear end kicking.
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The Black Stones posted:Going to the Flames game tonight and hoping that the Flames decide to not be utter dogcrap for one night. boo the ever loving poo poo out of Matt Tkachuk for me
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Levitate posted:He scored 19 even strength goals last season. That's an incredibly good number. I think you're onto it. Normally, top picks like this go to teams that are bad and don't have much talent. The team finds players who fit with them, they give them top ice time and power play time, they get find them good matchups while getting lower-end role players to take the harder matchups. Rangers were in a unique situation where they won two draft lotteries while never really bottoming out - they were 37-28-5 the year they drafted Lafreniere and already had an established superstar (Panarin) and a #1 center who scored 41 goals in 57 games. Kreider and Zibanejad anchored the first line, Panarin and Strome the second, leaving no chance for Lafreniere to play his natural position with quality players. He either played his off-wing with an established duo, or he played bottom six with a combination of other struggling young players and/or dudes who were barely even NHL players. The top power play unit gets the lion's share of time and talent, with one LW who led the league with 26 PPGs and another with 37 PPPs - if Laf was slotted in for Strome and scored a modern five PPGs last season, I think the narrative would be very different. I can't think of another #1 pick who was so thoroughly blocked from getting both quality ice time and complementary linemates. Add a few power play points to his 10p in 23gp this year and you're looking at a 21-year-old on a 50+ point pace. Instead, he's getting bounced around in a lineup that was constructed with zero effort to find players he fits with, they simply expected him to find instant chemistry with one of the top two lines then downgraded him to the spare parts heap. This club has made more effort to keep multiple sub-replacement-level enforcers around (Reaves, Tinordi, Harpur) than to find skilled complementary players for the young guys.
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Cartoon Man posted:Tony DeAngelo is a piece of poo poo and deserved the rear end kicking.
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https://twitter.com/shutdownline/status/1597781866530095104?s=46&t=bpm-fxYtD7d3wRwaKoAJkw What an end
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The Dirty Burger posted:https://twitter.com/shutdownline/status/1597781866530095104?s=46&t=bpm-fxYtD7d3wRwaKoAJkw Probably coulda been a penalty but lol at Petry just deciding to mug the Canes player and let them go in on a 2 on 0 to end it. Carolina deserved to win anyhow so not too broken up about it.
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mennoknight posted:boo the ever loving poo poo out of Matt Tkachuk for me On it.
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fermun posted:Avs going to have their 29th and 30th skaters suit up for them this season tonight as well as hit 91 man-games lost due to injury. Really just beat the hell up to start this season. Foudy is a pretty interesting case. His AHL numbers aren't anything special, but he was one of the special Covid cases that was allowed to play in the AHL as an underage player. Starting from the playoffs last year he's got 21 points in his last 27 AHL games, so he was probably going to get a call up this year pretty much regardless.
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Welp, back on the Bedard wagon.
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lol @ a 9-8 game.Chad Sexington posted:Nice of the Canucks to give Ovi and the boys a confidence boost. They're just good sports and are doing their part to ensure Gretzky is eliminated from the record books forever. Happy you snubbed us in 98 now Wayner?
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 Ovechkin has passed Gretzky for the most road goals of all time!!!!!
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quote:On the very next shift Tkachuk was booed as soon as he touched the puck. I’m not mad about being booed. Please write that I was not mad about being booed.
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