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pencilhands posted:drat I would love to be a train conductor. I already work a job where I travel all the time and have no life so I think I could handle it. Gonna file this away in the back of the noggin to think about later. id go for it(not for scabbing, gently caress that poo poo), but doubt i could get it with my disabilities.
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They’re putting this out there way beforehand and as far as I can tell Dems still aren’t going to get a debt limit passed in the next two months https://twitter.com/lauralitvan/status/1597722555863138304?s=46&t=74a-6xQDMS8iAde7uGr3RA
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Also one side effect of strikes, labor disagreements and government intervention is that some people will quit. If you force the unions by law to cave, people will leave the industry. This isn't unskilled labor where there arI. disposable assets waiting in the wings. It's in everyone's worst interest to outlaw the strike. Even if nobody gets arrested, I am sure a significant number of people would quit. If the job became more attractive, more people would apply. Forcing people to work isn't the masterstroke to keep the economy flowing, it's going to make a bad problem slightly worse at best.
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Bring it the gently caress on. The debt limit hostage negotiation has always been a big loser for the GOP, they always cave, they will cave again. edit: The Senate GOP doesn't have any leverage anyway, it'll be a showdown against the house, and they are not going to hold together.
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https://twitter.com/JonahFurman/status/1597735612773126145?t=EMI5CRtzDxflK3K0ocbGMw&s=19 Union bosses suck so much poo poo
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Cross posting this OP ED that came up in CSPAM. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/09/opinion/business-economics/freight-train-mismanagement.html?referringSource=articleShare It’s a good background on the nature of the systemic problem. And the authors a goon! Edit: and my opinion, they’re correct.
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And to repeat arguments I’ve made previously. We need a National Port Authority one large and strong enough to tell carriers marine, truck, and rail to go gently caress themselves when they try to optimize structurally for shareholders rather than a functioning society. The underlying issues and problems caused by ever longer trains is the same as those caused by ever larger vessels.
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Man, I wish there was more stomach in this country to nationalize certain industries like rail and utilities.
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They gently caress this up bad enough there might be.
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Rigel posted:Bernie Sanders is trying to pull off a miracle. Would be amazing if he could rally the GOP against Biden on this one issue. Imagine being such a piece of poo poo in your negotiations that you cause John Cornyn to whip the Republicans in favor of unions FlamingLiberal posted:They’re putting this out there way beforehand and as far as I can tell Dems still aren’t going to get a debt limit passed in the next two months Never forget that one of Biden's greatest dreams is to cut Social Security and other benefits. A thing he has given many passionate speeches in favor of on the Senate floor.
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Bar Ran Dun posted:Cross posting this OP ED that came up in CSPAM. Do you have a nonpaywalled link, or can you summarize? My usual trick of opening in an incognito window doesn't seem to work any more.
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Bar Ran Dun posted:And to repeat arguments I’ve made previously. We need a National Port Authority one large and strong enough to tell carriers marine, truck, and rail to go gently caress themselves when they try to optimize structurally for shareholders rather than a functioning society. Optimising for shareholders rather than a functioning society is literally the ruling ideology of the western world.
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Shooting Blanks posted:Do you have a nonpaywalled link, or can you summarize? My usual trick of opening in an incognito window doesn't seem to work any more. https://archive.ph/Jht4t
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Shooting Blanks posted:Do you have a nonpaywalled link, or can you summarize? My usual trick of opening in an incognito window doesn't seem to work any more. Use archived article but “NYTs article” posted:
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Also if your browser allows you to block JavaScript, just block it for the domain and you're gtg.
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My husband and I own our truck and contract with a national carrier. I absolutely support the railworkers and hope they can get what they want - the ability to call in day-of without penalty. I am just wondering if anyone knows how this might effect truckers? We have savings that can cover us for a couple of months, but if I need to look ahead for a protracted strike, I'll need to look into being able to cover our cost of living for longer than that. Any input on this would be appreciated. I am unsure I can get an unbiased opinion on the situation from trucking forums and corporate, due to the conservative slant there.
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It will push some cargoes from intermodal to dtd trucking.
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Svanja posted:My husband and I own our truck and contract with a national carrier. I absolutely support the railworkers and hope they can get what they want - the ability to call in day-of without penalty. I am just wondering if anyone knows how this might effect truckers? We have savings that can cover us for a couple of months, but if I need to look ahead for a protracted strike, I'll need to look into being able to cover our cost of living for longer than that. Any input on this would be appreciated. I am unsure I can get an unbiased opinion on the situation from trucking forums and corporate, due to the conservative slant there. TBH, I would wait a few days and keep in close contact with the national carrier you're contracted with. I would be shocked if Congress ends up not passing legislation to force the unions/railroad companies to adopt the tentative agreement. Kalit fucked around with this message at 05:17 on Nov 30, 2022 |
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Bar Ran Dun posted:It will push some cargoes from intermodal to dtd trucking. Ok, we do over-the-road throughout the US. Kalit posted:TBH, I would wait a few days and keep in close contact with the national carrier you're contracted with. I would be shocked if Congress ends up not passing legislation to force the union/railroad companies to adopt the tentative agreement. I really, really hope that doesn't happen. I'm hoping the railroad companies get pressured. The more I learn about the lives of railroad workers and their engineers, I realize how good my family has it, even though I only see my husband 7 days a month.
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Svanja posted:My husband and I own our truck and contract with a national carrier. I absolutely support the railworkers and hope they can get what they want - the ability to call in day-of without penalty. I am just wondering if anyone knows how this might effect truckers? We have savings that can cover us for a couple of months, but if I need to look ahead for a protracted strike, I'll need to look into being able to cover our cost of living for longer than that. Any input on this would be appreciated. I am unsure I can get an unbiased opinion on the situation from trucking forums and corporate, due to the conservative slant there. If there is a strike, most of what will be affected are freight items. A short term strike will likely result in you getting less loads, assuming it goes for a few days. A medium to long term strike would likely result in you getting more loads offered since everything that can be transitioned to trailers on the road will be. Right now it looks like the most likely result is Congress forcing a deal.
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Gyges posted:If there is a strike, most of what will be affected are freight items. A short term strike will likely result in you getting less loads, assuming it goes for a few days. A medium to long term strike would likely result in you getting more loads offered since everything that can be transitioned to trailers on the road will be. Thank you so much for your thoughts. Maybe its good he'll be heading home for my graduation and our son's graduation for a couple of weeks. It'll help us at least watch what happens and plan ahead if things slow down. Right now he averages 3000 miles a week. We're trying to sell our house and leave Texas and headed to Minnesota (our grandson is there with our daughter and son-in-law). Son-in-law moves goods for US Foods... this may affect him more. We can help them in the meantime. I hate that Congress is going to get involved, but the things people were sharing earlier, it looks like labor does have some support. I keep thinking about their families. Svanja fucked around with this message at 06:00 on Nov 30, 2022 |
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The food industry has probably been one of the biggest leverage sectors on the rail strike because they're especially vulnerable to the harms of a strike (and the downstream effects are also especially direct and clear). Chamber of Commerce has actively courted them on letters to Congress and, earlier, the administration to settle the dispute even after the first no vote. From the food and ag industry perspective, a rail dispruption is especially frightening...on the other hand, the sophisticated actors in that sector recognized that an actual strike was vanishingly unlikely to ever happen. The industry using rail networks don't like the rail industry, and may or may not care about their labor practices (the folks I've spoken to tend to agree that the rail industry is running itself into the ground for no real benefit- note the letter from Chamber linked above is relatively neutral on terms- if CoC had their way it would be more anti-union). But their immediate interest is in keeping the food supply, and thereby their industries, stable.
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It's the story literally every time with key infrastructure being privatised. It's always run into the ground in every fashion, workers squeezed to their limits until they quit and infrastructure collapsing, while the owners, investors and management make out like bandits- and the absolute worst they can fear is being paid huge amounts of money to gently caress off.
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Discendo Vox posted:The food industry has probably been one of the biggest leverage sectors on the rail strike because they're especially vulnerable to the harms of a strike (and the downstream effects are also especially direct and clear). Chamber of Commerce has actively courted them on letters to Congress and, earlier, the administration to settle the dispute even after the first no vote. From the food and ag industry perspective, a rail dispruption is especially frightening...on the other hand, the sophisticated actors in that sector recognized that an actual strike was vanishingly unlikely to ever happen. The industry using rail networks don't like the rail industry, and may or may not care about their labor practices (the folks I've spoken to tend to agree that the rail industry is running itself into the ground for no real benefit- note the letter from Chamber linked above is relatively neutral on terms- if CoC had their way it would be more anti-union). But their immediate interest is in keeping the food supply, and thereby their industries, stable. To this I would add delay and events like strikes strikes are often policy exclusions on inland marine policies. Even a relatively short strike could potential cause huge losses in refrigerated or time sensitive food cargoes that might not get covered if a while bunch happen all at once and can clearly be connected to a specific strike event. Those losses are and have already been happening from the rail labor shortages.
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achillesforever6 posted:https://twitter.com/JonahFurman/status/1597735612773126145?t=EMI5CRtzDxflK3K0ocbGMw&s=19 I really wish someone would ask Liz Shuler how many sick days a year she gets
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If a rail strike would result in empty power plants and grocery stores, then yeah you should nationalize rail etc. It's insane that this isn't handled in the way other critical infrastructure is.
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Sodomy Hussein posted:If a rail strike would result in empty power plants and grocery stores, then yeah you should nationalize rail etc. It's insane that this isn't handled in the way other critical infrastructure is. That sounds like doing a socialism. Those kinds of thoughts are not allowed, citizen. Please report to the nearest TV with Fox playing for re-education.
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achillesforever6 posted:https://twitter.com/JonahFurman/status/1597735612773126145?t=EMI5CRtzDxflK3K0ocbGMw&s=19 Do they vote for union bosses in American unions or are they appointed by a board or something?
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Gyges posted:Imagine being such a piece of poo poo in your negotiations that you cause John Cornyn to whip the Republicans in favor of unions He might get the Grand Bargain Obama couldn’t.
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DarkCrawler posted:Do they vote for union bosses in American unions or are they appointed by a board or something? They are elected by their members
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Sodomy Hussein posted:If a rail strike would result in empty power plants and grocery stores, then yeah you should nationalize rail etc. It's insane that this isn't handled in the way other critical infrastructure is. It’s worse than that. A rail strike would also mean water treatment plants wouldn’t get chlorine and other needed chemicals to keep the water clean.
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Rigel posted:They are elected by their members I think the AFL-CIO head is chosen by an executive board. so technically yes they're chosen by members, but
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1597739899200983041 I cannot conceive of a single reason why these bills would be split other than to ram through the rail bosses’ deal and then kill the sick leave provision. Here’s the full statement: https://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/112922-2
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Nucleic Acids posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1597739899200983041 Yeah that’s my assumption too. Astonishing levels of craven, despicable cruelty. quote:The average American would not know that we get fired for going to the doctor…We have guys who were punished for taking time off for a heart attack and COVID. It’s inhumane. https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/09/13/rail-strike-economy-impact/
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Nucleic Acids posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1597739899200983041 To insure that at least the deal gets passed while still attempting to include the sick leave provisions
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Papercut posted:To insure that at least the deal gets passed while still attempting to include the sick leave provisions Bill splitting worked out incredibly well for BBB.
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Papercut posted:To insure that at least the deal gets passed while still attempting to include the sick leave provisions But if you wanted the sick leave protections why not play hardball and combine them and whip the hell out of your caucus? This just gives them an out. I don’t think Pelosi wants those workers to have sick leave if it means that the railroads have to do fewer stock buybacks. https://twitter.com/sensanders/status/1596226730942922754?s=46&t=c2LB8tjMXB8asIgIP29dFg
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Nucleic Acids posted:I cannot conceive of a single reason why these bills would be split other than to ram through the rail bosses’ deal and then kill the sick leave provision. It's really been one of their favorite ways to kill things that they don't want to pass but told voters they want to pass. I don't know what these craven morons endgame is. Everyone loses here in the long run, including railroad execs. There's just no excuse for this terrible Dem leadership. There's not even the excuse of a midterm coming up. Instead, they are set on crushing the workers and setting things up for even worse problems in 2024. Do they think these workers will just be happy and shut up? Papercut posted:To insure that at least the deal gets passed while still attempting to include the sick leave provisions
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cat botherer posted:It's really been one of their favorite ways to kill things that they don't want to pass but told voters they want to pass. I don't know what these craven morons endgame is. Everyone loses here in the long run, including railroad execs. There's just no excuse for this terrible Dem leadership. There's not even the excuse of a midterm coming up. Instead, they are set on crushing the workers and setting things up for even worse problems in 2024. Do they think these workers will just be happy and shut up? Seems to me it's 'ensuring you get the deal you want at the expense of the one you are less willing to fight for'
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