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FilthyImp posted:I don't know what sick thrill Tigel gets from carrying water equivalent to the Pacific for Trump and the seditionists but that must be some exhausting release man. who is tigrel? When I goggle search that name all I get is a weird mobile game
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Grip it and rip it posted:who is tigrel? When I goggle search that name all I get is a weird mobile game Almost certainly a typo of "Rigel" the poster who was saying the GOP reps didn't actually break a federal law they can be charged with.
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Who watched the Garland press conference and can tell us what he said?
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Nov 30, 2022 22:13
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PhantomOfTheCopier posted:Who watched the Garland press conference and can tell us what he said? there was a garland press conference?
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Nov 30, 2022 22:17
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PhantomOfTheCopier posted:Who watched the Garland press conference and can tell us what he said? A quick skim of the CSPAN transcript indicates it's on two subjects: an announcement of the full scope of the Rhodes verdicts over the last couple days, particularly drawing attention to the other defendants and sentences, and discussing the third party oversight orders approved for the city of Jackson to deal with neglect in their drinking water utilities, part of the new office of environmental justice at DoJ.
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Discendo Vox posted:A quick skim of the CSPAN transcript indicates it's on two subjects: an announcement of the full scope of the Rhodes verdicts over the last couple days, particularly drawing attention to the other defendants and sentences, and discussing the third party oversight orders approved for the city of Jackson to deal with neglect in their drinking water utilities, part of the new office of environmental justice at DoJ. Kind of interesting that those got combined into one press talk. I mean, not like "Ooo what mysteries are here*~*~" interesting, but in a "I had pickles and liverwurst and broccoli in the fridge, so dinner is all three" interesting way.
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Not really surprising. Garland seems more like someone focused on doing the work and less on updating the peanut gallery about the status of the work.
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At the end he mentions a new Oath Keepers trial beginning on Monday. ??? Do we know who that is? I've lost track of all the shitheads. Edit: I guess it's five more OKs for seditious conspiracy and this was known already. Well there you go. mdemone fucked around with this message at 22:52 on Nov 30, 2022 |
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-Blackadder- posted:Not really surprising. Getting the head of the Oath Keepers seems like a fairly big fish. Am I crazy to think that?
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Xiahou Dun posted:Kind of interesting that those got combined into one press talk. It's a bit weird, it's not showing up in the usual DoJ press feeds either; Garland does some grab bag press avails sometimes, but it's infrequent and they're usually on the DoJ site.
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Mooseontheloose posted:Getting the head of the Oath Keepers seems like a fairly big fish. Am I crazy to think that? About on par with the people who were held accountable for Abu Ghraib.
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Mooseontheloose posted:Getting the head of the Oath Keepers seems like a fairly big fish. Am I crazy to think that? That plus the conviction. I can’t help but think that in the run up and ongoing discourse re: Jan. 6 about how I would hear/read the unlikelyhood of the charge of seditious conspiracy since it is so rare due to the history of unsuccessful charges. Feels to me like a big deal but IANAL just a news consumer. Yiggy fucked around with this message at 23:27 on Nov 30, 2022 |
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Mooseontheloose posted:Getting the head of the Oath Keepers seems like a fairly big fish. Am I crazy to think that? He's a medium-sized fish with sorta-direct connections to the actually big ones. Rhodes going to jail for what he and his lot of goose-stepping bastards did is unambiguously a good thing, of course, but if it stops at his level the top-level conspirators will have skated (and will try it again).
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Discendo Vox posted:A quick skim of the CSPAN transcript indicates it's on two subjects: an announcement of the full scope of the Rhodes verdicts over the last couple days, particularly drawing attention to the other defendants and sentences, ... Imagine being the one who gets to stand in front of a room of reporters and announce that "for actions undertaken in connection with the January 6 insurrection, today at 2pm I authorized indictments against the following for treason and seditious conspiracy against the United States of America: DJT former duly elected president of the United States, CT acting Associate Supreme Court Justice, ..."
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PhantomOfTheCopier posted:So I'll probably jinx it, but this could be a good thing. Garland seems to be doing routine press conferences now, which means he could be practicing and preparing. Practicing to not faint, and preparing so maybe he'll luck out and people won't be paying attention when it happens. If he does that and finishes with a full  I can die happy.
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I think trump would be informed of the indictment prior to this press conference and get on his not-twitter and not-tweet that they're coming to get him. He may even tell his freedom loving supporters to come to Mar a Lago to defend him. Everyone would know by the time of this press session.
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What does this conviction do to Trump's 2024 run? It's a reasonable assumption that any network that isn't OANN is going to ask Trump about it continuously - and Trump can't run a campaign with a single network. Even Fox isn't in his corner any more. Does he promise a pardon? Does he call them misguided? This is not a coachable candidate, as we've seen, but I'm trying to figure out what the hell happens next. Sedition is about as serious as it gets when it comes to federal crimes, it's hard to get much worse.
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https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/30/politics/house-ways-and-means-committee-now-has-donald-trumps-federal-tax-returns/index.html House committee receives Donald Trump’s federal tax returns from IRS "The House Ways and Means Committee now has six years of Donald Trump’s federal tax returns, ending a years long pursuit by Democrats to dig into one of the former president’s most closely guarded personal details." "The committee, led by Democratic Rep. Richard Neal of Massachusetts, had sought six years of Trump’s tax records, primarily from the time he served as president. That included records about both Trump personally and several of his corporate entities. The panel is planning to meet Thursday to get briefed on the legal ramifications of the section of the tax law that Neal used to request Trump’s tax returns, according to a Neal aide." "Democrats are not expected to review the tax returns at this session, and the documents are not expected to be immediately released to the public." No other info given which is to be expected. OgNar fucked around with this message at 06:20 on Dec 1, 2022 |
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OgNar posted:https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/30/politics/house-ways-and-means-committee-now-has-donald-trumps-federal-tax-returns/index.html It's really weird when you know something big happened but you can't actually tell. Shooting Blanks posted:What does this conviction do to Trump's 2024 run? It's a reasonable assumption that any network that isn't OANN is going to ask Trump about it continuously - and Trump can't run a campaign with a single network. Even Fox isn't in his corner any more. Does he promise a pardon? Does he call them misguided? This is not a coachable candidate, as we've seen, but I'm trying to figure out what the hell happens next. Sedition is about as serious as it gets when it comes to federal crimes, it's hard to get much worse. You're skipping ahead several steps in the process so it's kind of hard to answer this question. First, if we're already assuming that he's convicted in that kind of timeframe we might as well hope that he's also sentenced and processed while we're at it, in which case the answer is "with great difficulty" because he'd have to literally do all the campaigning from some kind of house arrest*. Of course then there's the stigma of being Candidate Convicted Criminal (we haven't specified what crime he's indicted of in this hypothetical yet). But he can still run. The requirements to be president are literally just "35 years old" and "natural born citizen" and purposely kept that open because the founders wanted loving everyone(white, male) to be able to run for president, and some of them had an intermittent crime habit. *I'm not optimistic enough to assume that actual prison is even in the room, let alone on the table.
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Xiahou Dun posted:You're skipping ahead several steps in the process so it's kind of hard to answer this question. First, if we're already assuming that he's convicted in that kind of timeframe we might as well hope that he's also sentenced and processed while we're at it, in which case the answer is "with great difficulty" because he'd have to literally do all the campaigning from some kind of house arrest*. Of course then there's the stigma of being Candidate Convicted Criminal (we haven't specified what crime he's indicted of in this hypothetical yet). Sorry, I meant the conviction of the Oathkeepers folks - not an indictment/conviction of Trump. I wasn't clear, my bad.
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Shooting Blanks posted:Sorry, I meant the conviction of the Oathkeepers folks - not an indictment/conviction of Trump. I wasn't clear, my bad. No, I just can't read. I see exactly how I misread that now, my bad.
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McCarthy, a congresscritter to Bennie Thompson, another congresscritter, about a congressional committee: "Preserve your records" You mean these congressional records? That belong to Congress? Those records that should be preserved and archived? Mooseontheloose posted:Getting the head of the Oath Keepers seems like a fairly big fish. Am I crazy to think that? I don't know. The organization still exists. It has members, I'm sure people can still sign up. In like 6 months, i'm sure the public will by and large forget what it is. It won't become a toxic label or be intensely scrutinized by the public or by state law enforcement. So getting Rhodes is great because hey making conspiring to use force to remove a legitimately elected government is illegal but it's not a huge takedown. V-Men fucked around with this message at 11:00 on Dec 1, 2022 |
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V-Men posted:McCarthy, a congresscritter to Bennie Thompson, another congresscritter, about a congressional committee: I don’t think Rhodes is as big of a deal as we want to it to be. I HAD an acquaintance who was all into that Oathkeeper/3%er poo poo back in 2010 and he used to talk about nobody respected Rhodes - but a lot can happen in 10 years…
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V-Men posted:McCarthy, a congresscritter to Bennie Thompson, another congresscritter, about a congressional committee: This just seems very unwise. From their perspective it would be a lot better to disband the committee and try to forget it ever happened. https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/30/politics/mccarthy-january-6-committee-preserve-records/index.html
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Charlz Guybon posted:This just seems very unwise. From their perspective it would be a lot better to disband the committee and try to forget it ever happened. How are they going to find out the methods, sources and personnel used to discover their plotting in order to better avoid getting caught/purge the unfaithful next time if they can't see the records?
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Oracle posted:How are they going to find out the methods, sources and personnel used to discover their plotting in order to better avoid getting caught/purge the unfaithful next time if they can't see the records? McCarthy 100% just wants records for purposes of retribution and revenge.
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The Dems say they're going to release all the info https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/01/politics/zoe-lofgren-january-6-committee-findings-cnntv/index.html Federal judge orders former top lawyers in Trump's White House to testify in criminal grand jury probe https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/01/politics/cipollone-philbin-trump-lawyers-testify/index.html Appeals court halts special master review of documents seized at Mar-a-Lago. Big defeat for Trump https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/01/politics/mar-a-lago-special-master/index.html
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Lol so was everybody waiting for Trump to declare his candidacy? "As long as he stays out of politics, whatever, water under the bridge. Oh he's running? Yeah fine let's go full throttle on all four investigations please!" Or was this because the GOP flopped hard in the midterms?
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I'd chalk it up to everybody getting the wheels moving again with the election finally being over, but I don't have much to base that on directly
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It's because Cannon hosed up the MaL document case for three whole months, hth
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mdemone posted:It's because Cannon hosed up the MaL document case for three whole months, hth And all the other investigations? That’s the interesting part. Although I’m still curious what the delay was with the 11th Circuit. They really took their time writing LOL NO LMAO on a document.
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Xiahou Dun posted:And all the other investigations? That’s the interesting part. MaL documents will be the first set of charges. J6 is still percolating, first they have to GET ME ROGER STONE
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mdemone posted:MaL documents will be the first set of charges. J6 is still percolating, first they have to GET ME ROGER STONE GA will likely beat them to the punch. They can’t be too far at this point from a decision one way or the other. The J06 stuff is going to take longer just because everything getting dumped by congress has to be vetted to ensure there are no contradictions or substantive differences to what they already know and any discrepancies will need to be followed up on.
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Charlz Guybon posted:
I have to think that ordering lawyers to go back and add more information about their work has got to be a pretty big detail since they would have tried very hard to hit the required disclosures the first time around. For them to be ordered back the material they need to cover would have to be stuff they thought off limits originally. Which implies some level of crime fraud exception type thing I would think.
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Geez. So many activist, biased, unfair judges littering the land determined to pick on real american patriots who just want to make things great. I guess when you're rich enough, one viable legal strategy is to just stall and appeal until you get a fair judge. Meaning one that will sign off on whatever bullshit you're trying to pull.
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Ice burn in here: quote:It is indeed extraordinary for a warrant to be executed at the home of a former president—but not in a way that affects our legal analysis or otherwise gives the judiciary license to interfere in an ongoing investigation. The Richey test has been in place for nearly fifty years; its limits apply no matter who the government is investigating. To create a special exception here would defy our Nation’s foundational principle that our law applies “to all, without regard to numbers, wealth, or rank.”
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Dapper_Swindler posted:whats funny is even if its all long shaggy dogs story, the GOP is gonna waste even more time and tie itself even closer to trump because the chuds demand it and now we will see some impeachment effort on garland because of this. if they had any brains they would ignore this and keep severing ties to the fucker like they were trying to do last week. Thinking strategically, their biggest possible win would be backing Trump 110%, and then Trump losing and going to prison for long enough for him to never be a political actor again. The big problem of the GOP right now is that they have created a monster they no longer like, but cannot afford to let go lest it eat them too. Trump is probably not going to win any elections going forward (exhibit 1: all the guys he picked for midterms who massively underperformed), but he also has the ability to make any republican candidate lose by either running third party, or just poo poo-talking about them to his hordes of supporters.
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Tuna-Fish posted:Thinking strategically, their biggest possible win would be backing Trump 110%, and then Trump losing and going to prison for long enough for him to never be a political actor again. You got a typo in that first paragraph or am I not reading well?
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Xiahou Dun posted:You got a typo in that first paragraph or am I not reading well? "The only way for the gop to win long term is for him to lose (since he's already announced he's running) then go to prison forever so he's out of their hair" was my reading
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