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What is the most powerful flying bug?
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🦋 15 3.71%
🦇 115 28.47%
🪰 12 2.97%
🐦 67 16.58%
dragonfly 94 23.27%
🦟 14 3.47%
🐝 87 21.53%
Total: 404 votes
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Corky Romanovsky
Oct 1, 2006

Soiled Meat
Seven days to the cryin'

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crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

Pistol_Pete posted:

From today's Financial Times:

quote:

Since the end of the cold war, these countries have reaped a peace dividend by slashing military spending, downsizing defence industries

ah yes, that famously slashed military budget of the US

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

crepeface posted:

ah yes, that famously slashed military budget of the US

Yeah, that's more a Europe thing. The US has a gigantic budget, they just piss it all away on billion dollar gizmos rather than anything actually useful.

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Pistol_Pete posted:

From today's Financial Times:

The UK has enough ammo stocked to last for 1 week of actual warfare, provided they don't go too wild lol.

Above the European average. UK leading the rest of the continent. Definitely miles ahead of Germany.

Good thing everyone has loads of old obsolete reserves. Oh wait.

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

Pistol_Pete posted:

Yeah, that's more a Europe thing. The US has a gigantic budget, they just piss it all away on billion dollar gizmos rather than anything actually useful.

the warlike races of the occident cannot be trusted with an expansive armoury until they join the rest of the world in the light of civilization.

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
After the barbaric peoples of Europe demolish all their archaic crumbling palaces and historic cities then replace them with kilometres of strip malls then and only then will they be entrusted with chrome plated six shooters, patriot missile batteries and Jack Daniels for all.

January 6 Survivor
Jan 6, 2022

The
Nelson Mandela
of clapping
dusty old cheeks


( o(

Slavvy posted:

What class was Stalin? I'm thinking fighter/mage if we think of Lenin as pure mage and Zhukov as a str tank, for context

Dude is named "man of steel" and for some reason you don't think he is a fighter/paladin/tank/whatever else wizards of the coast came up with in that role?

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

January 6 Survivor posted:

Dude is named "man of steel" and for some reason you don't think he is a fighter/paladin/tank/whatever else wizards of the coast came up with in that role?

he's some sort of fighter/caster hybrid

crepeface posted:

guys im just starting to learn about marxism, can someone help me with what i should use to inscribe a circle of protection while i practise my forms?



(full hitler vs stalin magick battle here)

lynch_69
Jan 21, 2001

What the gently caress are the Americans spending $1.64 TRILLION every year on if they don't have the capacity to replace ammunition after 7 months of a fairly limited and localized conflict.

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

Pistol_Pete posted:

From today's Financial Times:

The UK has enough ammo stocked to last for 1 week of actual warfare, provided they don't go too wild lol.

What a lucrative opportunity for US defense contractors.

January 6 Survivor
Jan 6, 2022

The
Nelson Mandela
of clapping
dusty old cheeks


( o(

Zedhe Khoja
Nov 10, 2017

sürgünden selamlar
yıkıcılar ulusuna

Corky Romanovsky posted:

I'm too lazy to fix the auto translate, but this shouldn't be too hard to parse. This is from the "post-Stalin" section.

Its not about ukrainians, and is way too many loving words besides, but it does touch on the somewhat voluntary nature of ethnic affiliation in many areas of the soviet union and might help people internalize how it often works in practice. Feel free to skip if you don't want to read :words: about Uzbek and Tajik ethnopolitical affiliation. Highlights are old and not necessarily relevant.








and some bonus :words: about how nebulous and artificial uzbek (named after the rural tartar language, but based off urban karluk chagatay) itself was:

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

lynch_69 posted:

What the gently caress are the Americans spending $1.64 TRILLION every year on if they don't have the capacity to replace ammunition after 7 months of a fairly limited and localized conflict.

$500 hammers and $2000 clipboards.

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

lynch_69 posted:

What the gently caress are the Americans spending $1.64 TRILLION every year on if they don't have the capacity to replace ammunition after 7 months of a fairly limited and localized conflict.

The old 155mm shells cost $300, the new guided ones $200,000.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
for US ground forces, IIRC the DOD’s biggest line items are still personnel: wages, benefits, healthcare. More so than ops and maintenance.

For expensive areas like ships and airplanes and space assets, ops and maintenance are the largest items.

For the US, buying new items is a smaller expense than paying people wages and benefits, even including expensive things like space assets, airplanes, ships, etc.

Plus, the US maintains a huge amount of weapons they are not willing to give to Ukraine, either as a whole system, or just unwilling to cross below a threshold on hand.

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

it always shocks me to consider that healthcare is a huge part of the US military budget

like, just do a national healthcare system, jesus christ

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

No.

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*
didn't bernie put forward a bill (that got turned into a law) that gave veterans more healthcare?

socdems expanding the military industrial complex smdh

January 6 Survivor
Jan 6, 2022

The
Nelson Mandela
of clapping
dusty old cheeks


( o(

Frosted Flake posted:

The old 155mm shells cost $300, the new guided ones $200,000.

yeah but have you considered how cool the headline "Today the forces of freedom and democracy expanded $1 Billion in defense of the free people of Ukraine" is compared to "War on the Cheap? Ukrainians lament the west only spending 0.0001% of their education budget on protecting them from the russian hordes"

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

V. Illych L. posted:

like, just do a national healthcare system, jesus christ

Sounds hard, can’t do it. Now let’s go invade a country where this time, they’ll greet us as liberators, I swear, just gonna need 20+ years of “contingency” funding.

Marenghi
Oct 16, 2008

Don't trust the liberals,
they will betray you

Grimnarsson posted:

The millions of non-Ukrainians who starved all across the Soviet Union, mainly concentrated in food producing regions, weren't victims of genocide? Russians and Kazakhs and others are unworthy of being called victims of this heinous crime and receiving this coveted and prestigious label? Sounds like a bunch of genocide denying bullshit to me.

Genocide is a crime against humanity, and only orcs live east of Ukraine so their deaths don't count.

Pistol_Pete posted:

From today's Financial Times:

The UK has enough ammo stocked to last for 1 week of actual warfare, provided they don't go too wild lol.

Is that how Bellingcats military sources determined Russia would run out of munitions in 2 weeks when the war began. They counted their own stocks and applied Russia's rate of fire to calculate it.

supersnowman
Oct 3, 2012

mlmp08 posted:

Sounds hard, can’t do it. Now let’s go invade a country where this time, they’ll greet us as liberators, I swear, just gonna need 20+ years of “contingency” funding.

If you doing it often enough, it has to work at least once right?

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

Marenghi posted:

Is that how Bellingcats military sources determined Russia would run out of munitions in 2 weeks when the war began. They counted their own stocks and applied Russia's rate of fire to calculate it.

lmao really?

iCe-CuBe.
Jun 9, 2011

I just bought 50

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Donrf posted:

I had a friend in Kherson, with her father in the last stage of cancer. The authorities promised to help, like hell they did. They were the first to go. My father is 86 years old, a retired colonel, soviet colonel. During the referendum - an urn was brought to grandpa, "you are our pride", "we are here forever", but to help an invalid evacuate.... as usual. At least there wasn't enough time to receive a Russian passport, worked out for the best. No contact since November, 9 has not come out on a connection. Managed to get in touch yesterday, told all the details earlier.
(from t.me/donrf22/10290, via tgsa)

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Just to circle back to the Stasi/KGB/Securitate for a minute. Considering how much we know about the NSA and CSE monitoring all forms of our communication, railing on about the tyranny ot steaming open a few envelopes seems a bit absurd.

e: WRT BAOR logistics. I posted their estimates of lost personnel and equipment a while ago, but they expected 90% casualties within two weeks of hostilities opening on the North German Plain. Considering NATO expected a conflict to go nuclear if not resolved within the initial two weeks (if not earlier through use of battlefield weapons), stockpiling two weeks worth of munitions made sense within that narrowly defined context.

ee: That logistical planning became institutionalized and so in the Gulf War the US and UK forces - which deployed from Germany - rapidly expended their munitions as usage was at a much higher rate than expected. Similarly, US planners were astounded by ammunition expenditure during the Arab-Israeli Wars.

Everyone was planning for conventional war to be so intense and violent that no new forces would be trained and equipped before the conflict ended either through negotiation or strategic nuclear exchange. 4 CMBG, in NATO II Corps Reserve, was expected to be destroyed within 3 days of going into action, and the only other Canadian force earmarked for Europe, 5 CMBG was to deploy to Norway, where equipment was prepositioned. There was no expectation that either force would or could be reinforced before hostilities ended, and moreover the expectation was that the Port of Halifax would become unavailable some time after the Soviet Fleet broke into the Atlantic through the GIUK Gap.

Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 16:19 on Dec 2, 2022

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

crepeface posted:

he's some sort of fighter/caster hybrid

Викач posted:


Носители корон (с)
(from t.me/wikimason/270, via tgsa)

Marenghi
Oct 16, 2008

Don't trust the liberals,
they will betray you
Peoples perceptions are shaped by the media. They are told through media and western history books that the Soviet state security were brutal tools of oppression.

At the same time in the US the FBI were targeting socialists, feminists, pacifists, and black liberation groups, for psychological warfare, violence, imprisonment and assassination. While also financing and supporting right wing extremists. And it wasn't just the COINTELPRO of the 60s, it continued on to present day.

In the 80s police dropped 5 pounds of FBI supplied C4 to bomb a street and destroy the MOVE black liberation org.

iCe-CuBe.
Jun 9, 2011

Marenghi posted:

Peoples perceptions are shaped by the media. They are told through media and western history books that the Soviet state security were brutal tools of oppression.

At the same time in the US the FBI were targeting socialists, feminists, pacifists, and black liberation groups, for psychological warfare, violence, imprisonment and assassination. While also financing and supporting right wing extremists. And it wasn't just the COINTELPRO of the 60s, it continued on to present day.

In the 80s police dropped 5 pounds of FBI supplied C4 to bomb a street and destroy the MOVE black liberation org.

:rolleyes: OK.. nice whataboutism.

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

crepeface posted:

ah yes, that famously slashed military budget of the US

That did stop them from slashing production :ssh:

supersnowman
Oct 3, 2012

Frosted Flake posted:

Just to circle back to the Stasi/KGB/Securitate for a minute. Considering how much we know about the NSA and CSE monitoring all forms of our communication, railing on about the tyranny ot steaming open a few envelopes seems a bit absurd.

e: WRT BAOR logistics. I posted their estimates of lost personnel and equipment a while ago, but they expected 90% casualties within two weeks of hostilities opening on the North German Plain. Considering NATO expected a conflict to go nuclear if not resolved within the initial two weeks (if not earlier through use of battlefield weapons), stockpiling two weeks worth of munitions made sense within that narrowly defined context.

ee: That logistical planning became institutionalized and so in the Gulf War the US and UK forces - which deployed from Germany - rapidly expended their munitions as usage was at a much higher rate than expected. Similarly, US planners were astounded by ammunition expenditure during the Arab-Israeli Wars.

Everyone was planning for conventional war to be so intense and violent that no new forces would be trained and equipped before the conflict ended either through negotiation or strategic nuclear exchange. 4 CMBG, in NATO II Corps Reserve, was expected to be destroyed within 3 days of going into action, and the only other Canadian force earmarked for Europe, 5 CMBG was to deploy to Norway, where equipment was prepositioned. There was no expectation that either force would or could be reinforced before hostilities ended, and moreover the expectation was that the Port of Halifax would become unavailable some time after the Soviet Fleet broke into the Atlantic through the GIUK Gap.

Tom Clancy told me you can open the GIUK gap by invading Iceland.

Cuttlefush
Jan 15, 2014

gotta have my purp

supersnowman posted:

Tom Clancy told me you can open the GIUK gap by invading Iceland.



i'd like to see you try, punk

Offkorn
Jan 16, 2008

Borderline Anti-Social Schizoid

V. Illych L. posted:

it always shocks me to consider that healthcare is a huge part of the US military budget

like, just do a national healthcare system, jesus christ

Look up the Feres Doctrine sometime. That free healthcare comes with free malpractice.

supersnowman
Oct 3, 2012

Cuttlefush posted:



i'd like to see you try, punk

Ding Chavez can't do poo poo outside of the Ryanverse.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

V. Illych L. posted:

it always shocks me to consider that healthcare is a huge part of the US military budget

like, just do a national healthcare system, jesus christ

That would drop recruitment numbers. Gotta feed that war machine.

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

PR photo sessions

Раньше всех. Ну почти. posted:







The mayor of Moscow, Sergei Sobyanin, said that he had been "on the line of defense" in the area of a special military operation.

"We help our guys on the front line to equip the defense lines: anti-tank moats, trenches, pillboxes and dugouts. We are installing generators, stoves, and lighting. We are building medical stations," announced Sobyanin. He noted that thousands of city workers are working on the line. "Today I visited the place. Talked to the builders and servicemen. Met the soldiers mobilized from Moscow. The mood is battleready" said the mayor.
(from t.me/bbbreaking/142576, via tgsa)

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Cuttlefush posted:



i'd like to see you try, punk

Rogue spear was the only good rainbow six game

Unless you count the first, and only the first, ghost recon

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!
What is this Raven Shield erasure?

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Orange Devil posted:

That would drop recruitment numbers. Gotta feed that war machine.

If you want to get into the anthropology of it, providing medical and retirement care is so integral to having an organized body of fighting men that it cannot function as an institution without it. Even in Old Kingdom Egypt providing soldiers with medical care (such as it was) and benefits upon completion of service was integral to the state’s legitimacy and army’s functioning.

This goes against the logical of capitalism or neoliberalism or whatever but men will not go onto the battlefield if they don’t have an assurance they’ll be taken care of if wounded. There’s a reason the Assyrians and Hittites including scenes of their soldiers being cared for after a battle on their stele.

e: The Assyrians also illustrated their soldiers using inflated skins to cross rivers.




Moscow is the second Nineveh.

Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 19:18 on Dec 2, 2022

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mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

Orange Devil posted:

What is this Raven Shield erasure?

raven shield owned. it had a good feel to it, like UT. maybe they kept close to default FOV and movement on the unreal engine.

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