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dogstile posted:Everyone runs powersword and bolter, but you'll take a while to get to those, so just use what you like until then. Orv posted:In the end if you wanna use Vet's Best Weapons, you want a Power Sword and a Bolter/Plasma Gun/Kantrael MG XII depending on your taste in ranged. Alright, thanks. Is the Bolter good against gun patrols? That's the one thing I kind of like about the Ia Lasgun they started me out with. Big difference coming from Ogryn. That and the health, of course.
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Phlegmish posted:Alright, thanks. Is the Bolter good against gun patrols? That's the one thing I kind of like about the Ia Lasgun they started me out with. Big difference coming from Ogryn. That and the health, of course. It will do fine against patrols, it turns men into meat very easily and can pierce the boxes and stuff you often find shooters hiding behind but the ammo will quickly become an issue. I've done Malice runs since launch where the enemies were like 75% ranged, shooters, gunners and shotgunners and I would not have survived those runs with a bolter.
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Phlegmish posted:Alright, thanks. Is the Bolter good against gun patrols? That's the one thing I kind of like about the Ia Lasgun they started me out with. Big difference coming from Ogryn. That and the health, of course. I find it pretty decent against groups of gunners, if you can get the drop on the group where they're just walking about you can just full auto fire into the group to shred them utterly but if they do scatter and find cover then you probably don't want to be the sole person trying to outshoot a group of 15 of them with it cause of the fire rate when zoomed in. It does shoot through thin cover like boxes and the tin sheets though so you can aim down sights and kill some key targets or thin them out a bit. It's very good for pulling out and deleting big ogryns, mutants and that kinda thing, has a bit of a long animation to pulling it out but if you do when you hear the mutant, etc you'll have time. My one has a trait that gives it a stacking crit chance the longer I aim down sights and then another one that does more damage to staggered targets which also stacks and the full auto fire really staggers groups on the outer range of the explosive projectiles quite well so it kinda gets more powerful in both situations as long as I'm using it right. I'm a zealot though not a veteran so ammo can be a concern, just have to be a bit careful with it and make sure you keep it reloaded when you have downtime. The group of friends I play with, we're all the different classes but the psyker barely plays so our vet and I kinda both take care of the ranged duties as needed situationally.
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Orv posted:It will do fine against patrols, it turns men into meat very easily and can pierce the boxes and stuff you often find shooters hiding behind but the ammo will quickly become an issue. Which weapon did you use instead? I might go for that one as well, I've come to really loathe the ranged grunts after maining an Ogryn, dealing with them effectively is a must.
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Any tips for getting the "charge six ogryn in one charge" penance? Even on Heresy I've only seen like three at a time.
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Phlegmish posted:Which weapon did you use instead? I might go for that one as well, I've come to really loathe the ranged grunts after maining an Ogryn, dealing with them effectively is a must. Kantrael MK12 is solid if you just want a good allrounder. It's a lower RoF lasgun with more oomph without being a full on sniper. Followup shots take some practice but if you like to hit F and shoot the yellow glowies to make em disappear in one or two shots regardless of range and without too many extra gimmicks, look no further. Combat shotgun is very fun if you like mixing it up a lot in melee, since it's immediately ready upon weaponswitch, has great range with ADS, and good ammo economy. Simple. Plasma gun fills a similar role with the caveat that it has a long reload (but no setup time), you have to manage heat, and the shooting takes some getting used to since it's not immediately after clicking. On the upside, its basically a fat Quake 3 railgun that makes elites and the horde in front of them turn into goo. Recon lasgun MkVIIa if you wanna hold down LMB and dakka things by generally aiming at their heads and watching them disappear in a spray of laser Honestly Vet has very little, truly bad ranged options. Some of the other lasgun Mk's are meh, and the helbore used to be kind of bad but I don't know if it still is.
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I might have missed it during psyker chat before, but are other people frustrated with the warp charge mechanic? I know the feats have been criticized on general, but the fact that so many of them play off building warp charges is really annoying. As someone mentioned earlier, brain burst tends to be a situational tool, taking out bosses and armor guys and stuff like that. But the warp charge mechanic kind of forces you pop random guys in every pack so you can keep your stack going. It creates a chore and promotes bad play like some of the penance tasks. And it seems you have few options for building out your feats that don't involve warp charges. Am I looking at it wrong or is this a solved problem that others found a way around?
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Nehru the Damaja posted:Any tips for getting the "charge six ogryn in one charge" penance? Even on Heresy I've only seen like three at a time. Seems purely random to me, just need to hope it lines up. Maybe they'll change it or there'll be an ogryn heavy level or modifier in the future?
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thebardyspoon posted:Seems purely random to me, just need to hope it lines up. Maybe they'll change it or there'll be an ogryn heavy level or modifier in the future? They just changed it from 4 to 6 around launch, while making other penances easier. It's kind of weird.
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S.J. posted:Does the grenade gauntlet still count all it's melee attacks as heavy? Last I checked, yes.
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Phlegmish posted:Which weapon did you use instead? I might go for that one as well, I've come to really loathe the ranged grunts after maining an Ogryn, dealing with them effectively is a must. As noted and I'll always shill for, the Kantrael MG XII is the best all arounder in the game, a high end one will one tap scab and dreg shooters to the chest/gut/shoulder and do incredibly solid headshot damage outside of Volley Fire, up to three or four headshotting Reapers in Volley Fire.
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Fishstick posted:Kantrael MK12 is solid if you just want a good allrounder. It's a lower RoF lasgun with more oomph without being a full on sniper. Followup shots take some practice but if you like to hit F and shoot the yellow glowies to make em disappear in one or two shots regardless of range and without too many extra gimmicks, look no further. Orv posted:As noted and I'll always shill for, the Kantrael MG XII is the best all arounder in the game, a high end one will one tap scab and dreg shooters to the chest/gut/shoulder and do incredibly solid headshot damage outside of Volley Fire, up to three or four headshotting Reapers in Volley Fire. Alright, it's decided, I'm going for the Kantrael MG XII. I'm assuming it'll be a while before it starts showing up in the Armoury Exchange, I'll experiment with some of the other options in the meantime. So far, the Kantrael MG IV isn't too bad, though it lacks punch.
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Average bolter fan vs average lasgun enjoyer. Embrace the imperial guard life and wield a flashlight, like the Emperor intended.
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Having a store or rewards full of laspistols I'll never ever use while not seeing a good combat knife for literal days... honestly, they should do a pass on the lower end stuff. Make laspistols not use ammo at all, or run off a very large / generous heat pool or something, anything to give a reason to use it over literally every other option Bring on crafting now please
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And then I never pugged another Hab Dreyko ever again.
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Orv posted:And then I never pugged another Hab Dreyko ever again. Is that the investigation mission? That one strangely seems much more difficult than the others of similar level for some reason.
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The mission select loving sucks, been waiting for a heresy mission for the last hour and all that are spawning are level 1, 2 and 5 missions. I cant comprehend why Fatshark made such a bullheaded move.
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BombiTheZombie posted:The mission select loving sucks, been waiting for a heresy mission for the last hour and all that are spawning are level 1, 2 and 5 missions. I cant comprehend why Fatshark made such a bullheaded move. Dumb question: if you quick-play a Heresy mission, will it still throw you in a queue? Or will it only grab from stuff on the mission board?
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S.J. posted:Dumb question: if you quick-play a Heresy mission, will it still throw you in a queue? Or will it only grab from stuff on the mission board? It seems to force matchmake you to another difficulty. Just tried to quickplay a heresy mission and it tosses me into a malice run. E: Second time it tossed me into a heresy difficulty map that wasnt even available on the map select screen. Is it split into search areas or something? BombiTheZombie fucked around with this message at 16:15 on Dec 3, 2022 |
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BombiTheZombie posted:It seems to force matchmake you to another difficulty. Just tried to quickplay a heresy mission and it tosses me into a malice run. What a crock of poo poo, wow. There's really no reason there wouldn't be at least 2 of any given difficulty up on the board at all times.
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BombiTheZombie posted:The mission select loving sucks, been waiting for a heresy mission for the last hour and all that are spawning are level 1, 2 and 5 missions. I cant comprehend why Fatshark made such a bullheaded move. Yeah 4 missions seem in short supply but there's always a couple 5s lol
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DyneAvenger posted:I might have missed it during psyker chat before, but are other people frustrated with the warp charge mechanic? I know the feats have been criticized on general, but the fact that so many of them play off building warp charges is really annoying. I share this feeling too. Psyker probably needs a rework in general. Most feats are useless, and even the ones that can have synergy need a lot of tuning.
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Broken Cog posted:Is that the investigation mission? That one strangely seems much more difficult than the others of similar level for some reason. Yeah, it's difficult because it's effectively endless hordes and specials for the duration of each scan phase and randos, even the competent ones, are often incapable of doing objective modes so if it drags on rather than quickly scanning everything you end up draining too many resources.
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Chazani posted:I share this feeling too. Psyker probably needs a rework in general. Most feats are useless, and even the ones that can have synergy need a lot of tuning. Honestly, half the feat options in the game either seem to be on the wrong track for comparison or just not worth taking at all.
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What are good weapons for a low level Zealot? Combat axe seems pretty solid because of the high damage and I just bought a shotgun. When I unlock flamers I'm going to use those exclusively because they look super fun and melt mobs but what about melee weapons?
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Elephant Ambush posted:What are good weapons for a low level Zealot? Combat axe seems pretty solid because of the high damage and I just bought a shotgun. When I unlock flamers I'm going to use those exclusively because they look super fun and melt mobs but what about melee weapons? Atrox Mk 5 is always my axe recommendation but they're basically all good. Combat Knife is a remarkably good killer and horde clearer. Heavy Sword is better than it was in beta and is solid at scything through hordes but trash at any kind of armor, can't recommend. Shotgun, Revolver and Braced Autoguns are good pre-flamethrower options.
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DyneAvenger posted:I might have missed it during psyker chat before, but are other people frustrated with the warp charge mechanic? I know the feats have been criticized on general, but the fact that so many of them play off building warp charges is really annoying. Honestly when you put on that psychic link talent I hardly even need to generate charges myself, you get like 4 all the time just from you or your teammates doing normal killing.
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I'm pretty sure there's a bug where contracts sometimes just don't progress? maybe the first mission you do after starting up the game? I have a contract for "kill 750 scab with melee", and another for "pick up 5 grimoires". First mission of the day, killed a lot of guys in melee and also picked up a grimoire(and completed the mission with it held). But after that, no progress on either of those. Do another mission, kill a bunch of guys in melee again, and now I'm 263/750 for that contract.
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They should probably introduce something more interesting to the weekly shop at some point, because now that upgrading is in, they are kinda overshadowed by just buying high-stat weapons in the store and boosting them up to max.
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Orv posted:Atrox Mk 5 is always my axe recommendation but they're basically all good. Combat Knife is a remarkably good killer and horde clearer. Heavy Sword is better than it was in beta and is solid at scything through hordes but trash at any kind of armor, can't recommend. OK sounds like axes is the way to go. They do a ton of damage. Thanks
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Sharkopath posted:Honestly when you put on that psychic link talent I hardly even need to generate charges myself, you get like 4 all the time just from you or your teammates doing normal killing. I thought about that, but was worried the percentage would be too low to outweigh the other ones in that tier.
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DyneAvenger posted:I thought about that, but was worried the percentage would be too low to outweigh the other ones in that tier. It’s 4% with any kill rather than just elites or specials and you average about 1000 kills on a Malice run and often over 2000 on Heresy or above. It’s great.
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Elephant Ambush posted:What are good weapons for a low level Zealot? Combat axe seems pretty solid because of the high damage and I just bought a shotgun. When I unlock flamers I'm going to use those exclusively because they look super fun and melt mobs but what about melee weapons? I used some axe variant for ages and then chainswords. I'm on like lvl 15 and using a hammer at the moment and it's good due to the knockback.
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Alright, now I've picked up grimoires twice and it hasn't progressed the contract once >:/
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IronicDongz posted:Alright, now I've picked up grimoires twice and it hasn't progressed the contract once >:/ Just in case, you are finishing the level with them? "Pick up" in the case of scriptures and grimoires for the weeklies means finishing the level with them, and it also counts all the ones carried by your teammates.
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IronicDongz posted:I'm pretty sure there's a bug where contracts sometimes just don't progress? maybe the first mission you do after starting up the game? Scabs are a specific enemy type, were you definitely fighting scabs in that first game and not dregs?
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