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What is the most powerful flying bug?
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🦋 15 3.71%
🦇 115 28.47%
🪰 12 2.97%
🐦 67 16.58%
dragonfly 94 23.27%
🦟 14 3.47%
🐝 87 21.53%
Total: 404 votes
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Danann
Aug 4, 2013

https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1598761469033709587

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speng31b
May 8, 2010


looks like some combine poo poo from hl2

Danann
Aug 4, 2013

https://twitter.com/Taurevanime/status/1598585185116758016

dropping rubble on a drone sounds even cheaper than a converted grenade

Futanari Damacy
Oct 30, 2021

by sebmojo

speng31b posted:

looks like some combine poo poo from hl2

City 17 always did have somewhat of an Eastern European ambience...

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011


ploughshares into swords

paul_soccer12
Jan 5, 2020

by Fluffdaddy

Lol

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Danann posted:

https://twitter.com/Taurevanime/status/1598585185116758016

dropping rubble on a drone sounds even cheaper than a converted grenade

Please don't post gore

Calibanibal
Aug 25, 2015


not gonna lie this thing looks badass

speng31b
May 8, 2010

gradenko_2000 posted:

Please don't post gore

the dog is out of frame

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Atrocious Joe posted:

ploughshares into swords

This disagreement in translation is why they had to break with, then suppress, the Russian Orthodox Church. In Latin it's "..et conflabunt gladios suos in vomeres et lanceas suas in falces...", which came out in Ukrainian is as you said, while somehow the Russians got the idea that swords would be turned into ploughshares. It seems like a small thing to disagree over, but like "... tu es Petrus et super hanc petram aedificabo ecclesiam..." it has wide ranging implications.

Southpaugh
May 26, 2007

Smokey Bacon


Frosted Flake posted:

They were complaining about paying money to train doctors who leave after their first hitch but doesn’t Canada have a shortage of doctors? Creating new doctors is so evidently a good thing the state should do for its own sake that I don’t get the complaint. Cost? What better thing could the military spend money on than creating new doctors? If they go into the provincial healthcare systems after their first stint, so much the better, because the military is benefiting society not just itself. Isn’t that national service?

Cuba figured this out.

Besides the value of continuously training doctors that spend time in the CAF and then go on to staff provincial hospitals, a military worth belonging to is what would encourage others to stay on as regimental surgeons. Whatever you define the national interest as, more doctors and nurses is defence spending that actually furthers it concretely, both in terms of a well staffed battlefield medicine system and “aid to the civil power”.

The dominant mode of thought is that "There is no such thing as a society". Highly trained people leaving the military for new jobs has always been one of the many ways we supply a diverse labour force. There really aren't any other institutions, that say produce someone who has both medical expertise and can fly a helicopter. Thats kinda niche. It costs a lot of money to have those skills. I guess what I'd be getting at is that the on paper return on investment is not sufficient - social concerns are irrelevant because theres no such thing as a society.

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy
I wish they believed there was no such thing as debt too

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Well I suppose what other people here were able to drill down to is that there's no such thing as a military without a society, and beyond that even a state. I don't know if there was a transition between a generation that espoused bullshit to extract wealth and true believers that grew up hearing the bullshit, but they're sowing the seeds of their own (and unfortunately many other people's too) undoing here.

People talk about them not knowing how the machine of empire works and pressing buttons they've disconnected from anything, and I think that's true. At first it may have been to strip the wires out for profit, but now it feels like the disconnection has taken on a life of its own that they haven't fully grasped the implications of. I realize this is more evident probably in areas like covid, climate, the economy, but neoliberalism is really ... it's something. I don't think I fully understand what, but jfc.

supersnowman
Oct 3, 2012

Frosted Flake posted:

They were complaining about paying money to train doctors who leave after their first hitch but doesn’t Canada have a shortage of doctors? Creating new doctors is so evidently a good thing the state should do for its own sake that I don’t get the complaint. Cost? What better thing could the military spend money on than creating new doctors? If they go into the provincial healthcare systems after their first stint, so much the better, because the military is benefiting society not just itself. Isn’t that national service?

Cuba figured this out.

Besides the value of continuously training doctors that spend time in the CAF and then go on to staff provincial hospitals, a military worth belonging to is what would encourage others to stay on as regimental surgeons. Whatever you define the national interest as, more doctors and nurses is defence spending that actually furthers it concretely, both in terms of a well staffed battlefield medicine system and “aid to the civil power”.

You have to think long term for such a plan to work and I don't think that's un the cards for the CAF right now.

My guess is they don't know how to preset this to the govt to authorize fundings while also facing the issue of training those doctors being a large drain on their funding with little return when they leave after just a few years. "Free med school in exchange for 5 years of service" also isn't as good of a deal as it would be in the US for example, at least in some provinces where the costs are way lower. Quebec already has some issue with docs leaving the province after taking the relatively cheap education at university level.

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

I get that all of this is very personal but, Canada doesn't need a real army. Mainly because it can't have an army big enough to get what it needs. We're not getting a more equitable economic and political relationship with the United States by force of arms. Not to mention it would be just as stupid and ugly as this war with Ukraine and Russia.

I am going to say you won't even achieve something without socialism. There's no reason for US to stop using the existing leverage to extract more surplus labour value from the people of Canada other than it would be the right thing to do.

I'm not old stock Canadian, so I can't relate to that. But I assume most people can see how much the US is part of our society. The ruling class has financial and other ties to England, sure. But what does the lower and middle class have? A dead queen on money if you're still using paper bills and coins? Remembrance Day, which going by the UK thread they are way more insane over?

The more defining traits of Canada are purely Canadian, at least for an anglophone. Maybe the people of Quebec have a different take on it?

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Danann posted:

https://twitter.com/Taurevanime/status/1598585185116758016

dropping rubble on a drone sounds even cheaper than a converted grenade

Please don't tell anyone else that rock beats technology or else who knows what will happen.

Meanwhile the USA MIC is scrambling to find a way to justify charging the USA government $500k per cinder block.

Victor Vermis
Dec 21, 2004


WOKE UP IN THE DESERT AGAIN

The article identifies the problem ("CAF no longer reflect the principles and values of the Canadian populace, or of a modern Canadian work force") but doesn't offer any evidence?

Surely there are heaps of statistics on recruitment and retention, disqualifying factors, demographics..

Turtle Watch
Jul 30, 2010

by Games Forum

Frosted Flake posted:

People still joke about “the 3 reasons why women join the army”.


Well what’s the joke?

The Voice of Labor
Apr 8, 2020

I hate you all so much words can't express it so I inflict upon you political cartoonery

Turtle Watch
Jul 30, 2010

by Games Forum

Frosted Flake posted:

People still joke about “the 3 reasons why women join the army”.


I don’t want FF to think I’m trying to bait him into a probe by answering my question about what this joke is so I just looked it up myself:



Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

Turtle Watch posted:

I don’t want FF to think I’m trying to bait him into a probe by answering my question about what this joke is so I just looked it up myself:





:perfect:

Zodium
Jun 19, 2004

Frosted Flake posted:

People talk about them not knowing how the machine of empire works and pressing buttons they've disconnected from anything, and I think that's true. At first it may have been to strip the wires out for profit, but now it feels like the disconnection has taken on a life of its own that they haven't fully grasped the implications of. I realize this is more evident probably in areas like covid, climate, the economy, but neoliberalism is really ... it's something. I don't think I fully understand what, but jfc.

:nsa:

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

Lostconfused posted:

I get that all of this is very personal but, Canada doesn't need a real army. Mainly because it can't have an army big enough to get what it needs. We're not getting a more equitable economic and political relationship with the United States by force of arms. Not to mention it would be just as stupid and ugly as this war with Ukraine and Russia.

I am going to say you won't even achieve something without socialism. There's no reason for US to stop using the existing leverage to extract more surplus labour value from the people of Canada other than it would be the right thing to do.

I'm not old stock Canadian, so I can't relate to that. But I assume most people can see how much the US is part of our society. The ruling class has financial and other ties to England, sure. But what does the lower and middle class have? A dead queen on money if you're still using paper bills and coins? Remembrance Day, which going by the UK thread they are way more insane over?

The more defining traits of Canada are purely Canadian, at least for an anglophone. Maybe the people of Quebec have a different take on it?

Canada could very easily make enough nuclear weapons to keep the US jackals at bay, if they had the will

January 6 Survivor
Jan 6, 2022

The
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( o(

The Voice of Labor posted:

I hate you all so much words can't express it so I inflict upon you political cartoonery



ms paint political cartoonists are the real heroes of this war, no matter what those photoshop usin' nafo freaks claim

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/rob_merrick/status/1599322515490340866?s=46&t=jWqk0iiGKCEqf-DzUhX9iQ

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Frosted Flake posted:

Other than people who feel a sense of duty, and are willing to sacrifice civilian employment, who are they hoping to attract to these high skilled and sought after positions? They’re so clearly sabotaging themselves I don’t understand it other than idk they want to means test the positions? But that doesn’t really make sense either.

Business logic is to never train your personnel if you can get someone else foot the bill for the training instead, including said personnel.

The idea is "why spend money training people who will then walk out and benefit someone else off of my dime?". The counter to it is "what if you don't train your people and they stay in your organization for decades after?".

The former only makes sense if you know people are going to bail on your organization first chance they'll get because you are planning on treating them like poo poo anyways. If you guaranteed good primary and perhaps even more importantly secondary labour conditions such that your personnel isn't likely to leave in the first place, properly training them to maximize their potential is a no-brainer. But you know, all that costs in very direct, measurable and short-term ways, whereas the benefits are more nebulous and long-term, and thus completely incompatible with neoliberalism. Gotta maximize for this quarterly report, you know? Plus it's not like current management is going to still be in charge in that long-term when the benefits of the investment start kicking in.

They want to run the military as a business, but they don't even want to run it as a family-owned business. They'd take the military public and sell shares if they could.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1599111452329013248?t=cefu8u800zx_t4UBX0Q0vw&s=19

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

Atrocious Joe posted:

is she dumb. the US politicians want Europe to buy more US weapons, not make their own

yes. you don't get to be PM at thirty-something without being dumb. she's also basically an ideological vacuum who appears to see the world for the first time every time she lays eyes on it.

Organ Fiend
May 21, 2007

custom title

DancingShade posted:


Meanwhile the USA MIC is scrambling to find a way to justify charging the USA government $500k per cinder block.

$500k guided precision munition cinder block.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

V. Illych L. posted:

yes. you don't get to be PM at thirty-something without being dumb. she's also basically an ideological vacuum who appears to see the world for the first time every time she lays eyes on it.

Ah, a perfect liberal.

Futanari Damacy
Oct 30, 2021

by sebmojo
Canada has a fake military (as I understand) because there is way larger of a command structure than is technically required for so small a force, basically to help preserve a semblance of national autonomy as opposed to openly acknowledging it is a client state of the US/UK in matters of defense (defence? :confused:)

Just for the record I'm still tired of this, and I'm still not having it! You ban me but not this sick filth?? :mad:

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Futanari Damacy posted:

Canada has a fake military (as I understand) because there is way larger of a command structure than is technically required for so small a force, basically to help preserve a semblance of national autonomy as opposed to openly acknowledging it is a client state of the US/UK.

Just for the record I'm still tired of this, and I'm still not having it! You ban me but not this sick filth?? :mad:

:nsa:

Vulin
Jun 15, 2012

Maybe being openly and blatantly betrayed by the US will make some EU countries rethink their position.

Zodium
Jun 19, 2004

Futanari Damacy posted:

Canada has a fake military (as I understand) because there is way larger of a command structure than is technically required for so small a force, basically to help preserve a semblance of national autonomy as opposed to openly acknowledging it is a client state of the US/UK in matters of defense (defence? :confused:)

Just for the record I'm still tired of this, and I'm still not having it! You ban me but not this sick filth?? :mad:

:nsamad:

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



Lostconfused posted:

I get that all of this is very personal but, Canada doesn't need a real army. Mainly because it can't have an army big enough to get what it needs. We're not getting a more equitable economic and political relationship with the United States by force of arms. Not to mention it would be just as stupid and ugly as this war with Ukraine and Russia.

I am going to say you won't even achieve something without socialism. There's no reason for US to stop using the existing leverage to extract more surplus labour value from the people of Canada other than it would be the right thing to do.

I'm not old stock Canadian, so I can't relate to that. But I assume most people can see how much the US is part of our society. The ruling class has financial and other ties to England, sure. But what does the lower and middle class have? A dead queen on money if you're still using paper bills and coins? Remembrance Day, which going by the UK thread they are way more insane over?

The more defining traits of Canada are purely Canadian, at least for an anglophone. Maybe the people of Quebec have a different take on it?

Canada's military functions like any western military, to serve as a blood tithe whenever the US needs it and in return the US supports them in their neo colonial efforts.

Its working fine as intended right now

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

Frosted Flake posted:

Well I suppose what other people here were able to drill down to is that there's no such thing as a military without a society, and beyond that even a state. I don't know if there was a transition between a generation that espoused bullshit to extract wealth and true believers that grew up hearing the bullshit, but they're sowing the seeds of their own (and unfortunately many other people's too) undoing here.

People talk about them not knowing how the machine of empire works and pressing buttons they've disconnected from anything, and I think that's true. At first it may have been to strip the wires out for profit, but now it feels like the disconnection has taken on a life of its own that they haven't fully grasped the implications of. I realize this is more evident probably in areas like covid, climate, the economy, but neoliberalism is really ... it's something. I don't think I fully understand what, but jfc.

Neoliberalism is indistinguishable from institutionalized incompetence.

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

Vulin posted:

Maybe being openly and blatantly betrayed by the US will make some EU countries rethink their position.

no

A Bakers Cousin
Dec 18, 2003

by vyelkin

Frosted Flake posted:


People talk about them not knowing how the machine of empire works and pressing buttons they've disconnected from anything, and I think that's true.


I used to tell this story to describe the military.

So there were these scientists testing a group of apes and have them in a decent environment. But on a table away from everything is a big red button. If the button gets pushed each of the apes receives a shock through a collar they are all wearing.

Soon the apes learn to not touch the red button. But then they swap out a collar ape for a new ape, with no collar. When the new ape tries to go near the table with the button the collared apes attack the new ape. Soon the new ape learns to avoid the table and button.

Then another collared ape is replaced with a new uncollared ape and the cycle repeats. Only this time the first uncollared ape joins in on the attack.

So on and so on the exchange continues until the final exchange where the last collared ape is removed and now all the apes defend the button without knowing why.

Anyway thats the military and the military is the government.

Jazerus
May 24, 2011


don't recruit apes into your military, imo

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Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021
FF, when you are too depressed about this please don't go to the VA.

https://twitter.com/CTVNews/status/1599003056103952386

They are gonna kill you.

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