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Dr. VooDoo posted:Haven’t seen this really yet on the national news circuit yet but it seems an anti-trans/drag show group of crazies shot up a bunch of power substations in Moor County, NC to try and stop a drag show from happening I was wondering if it was a spot of terrorism but did not consider that it would be for an unusually dumb reason even by terrorist standards
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Google Jeb Bush posted:I was wondering if it was a spot of terrorism but did not consider that it would be for an unusually dumb reason even by terrorist standards Love how they're just called "vandals" instead of "terrorists" which is what they actually are. Also quote:“There were two substations shot up in the county,” he said. “Everything that I’m understanding is that it’s not an accidental cause.” You don't say.
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Google Jeb Bush posted:I was wondering if it was a spot of terrorism but did not consider that it would be for an unusually dumb reason even by terrorist standards I can’t say I’m surprised this hasn’t been national news since white right wing terrorism is often ignored but the damage is apparently pretty bad going by this live local newspaper updates including the fact their water and sewage system is being operated wholly on generator power to avoid overflows. This wasn’t just some drunk idiots getting lucky with potshots from a handgun quote:Following a conference call with county officials Moore County Commissioners chairman Frank Quis said the county was unsure when power will be turned on or when repairs will happen. He said the county “will be declaring a disaster declaration this afternoon.” https://twitter.com/TheSGTJoker/status/1599418124356710400?s=20&t=cL-j6flKNW8TIRAc5M3fFg Dr. VooDoo fucked around with this message at 20:33 on Dec 4, 2022 |
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The only thing I am surprised about terrorists targeting electrical substations is that tbey used guns to do so. I didn't think small arms fire would be enough to take one out. =/
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Dec 4, 2022 21:01
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Twincityhacker posted:The only thing I am surprised about terrorists targeting electrical substations is that tbey used guns to do so. I didn't think small arms fire would be enough to take one out. =/ The equipment is primarily steel or aluminum exteriors filled with mineral oil, vacuum, or sulfur hexafluoride gas. There's a lot of critical porcelain pieces as well. It's not difficult to do a lot of damage in a short period of time with a rifle. It happens more often than you think.
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Dec 4, 2022 21:17
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They probably shot the transformers. It's certainly been done elsewhere before, though usually bored shitkickers just shoot the ones on poles to knock out the power of a neighborhood.
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Latest update says this was a more carefully planned attack than just them going out and shooting random transformers at power stations:quote:Working at the Eastwood power substation off Daubs Chapel Road, Aubin Reynolds, a system planning engineer with Randolph Electric Membership Corp., said that whoever attacked the power stations was familiar with the the power company and how the stations were all connected to each other. Dr. VooDoo fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Dec 4, 2022 |
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Dec 4, 2022 21:27
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Dr. VooDoo posted:Latest update says this was a more carefully planned attack than just them going out and shooting random transformers at power stations: I think what worries me is if this is just preliminary strike for something worse.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:I think what worries me is if this is just preliminary strike for something worse. Not this time. If the perpetrators get off with a slap on the wrist, (considering they're calling this "vandalism" that's a solid maybe), then the next attack will knock out power and they follow up with something else. Fascists will keep escalating and im not sure where it ends; and as long as everyone treats them with kid gloves and calls the terrorists attacks they do "vandalism", it will escalate quickly. Edit: it probably ends in pogroms, apartheid by law, or death camps
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Meatball posted:Not this time. I mean this group is probably hosed since this will bring in federal type offices and they won’t just slap the fascists on their hands like officer dirk killblacks of the local PD. Critical infrastructure is an actual big deal.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:I mean this group is probably hosed since this will bring in federal type offices and they won’t just slap the fascists on their hands like officer dirk killblacks of the local PD. [citation needed]
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Dr. VooDoo posted:Latest update says this was a more carefully planned attack than just them going out and shooting random transformers at power stations: https://twitter.com/Esqueer_/status/1599484340571820033 The shooters had nearly three weeks to plan and prepare their attack after Chaya Raichik gave them their target.
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Byzantine posted:[citation needed] 3 men plead guilty to domestic terrorism crime related to plans to attack power grids Dept. of Justice via the U.S. Attorney’s Office Southern District of Ohio, February 23, 2022 posted:
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Even if they're not treated as terrorists, knocking out power to nearly half the county's population isn't "slap on the wrist" territory either. Local authorities are going to be pissed off, without a doubt. And it's a majority-white county known for its golf resorts, so state and federal authorities aren't likely to turn a blind eye either.
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Dec 4, 2022 22:14
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The Metcalf substation attack of 2013 was never solved. Apparently such things are difficult, there just isn't much evidence to work with. There is a strong motivation to find out who did it though because this kind of poo poo costs easily millions just in equipment but then come economic losses from all local businesses who have to close for days, stores, restaurants and thousands of homes with spoiled foods in fridges and freezers, people unable to charge their electric vehicles and go to work... insurance companies will want to know what happened, for one. And as this affects public trust in safety politicians will want to see the perpetrators brought to justice. Which still doesn't mean that they are able to solve the case.
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Dec 4, 2022 22:20
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quote:Moore County officials declared a state of emergency and ordered a curfew from 9 p.m. Sunday night to 5 a.m. Monday morning. The county also has activated its emergency center. Still being reported as “vandalism” by the national news, if at all. Perfectly normal response for a bit of vandalism
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Dec 4, 2022 22:21
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The (R, I assume) congressman for that district has already requested the FBI come in. Despite not hearing any actual news person call it more than vandalism, or making the link to the drag show, I get the impression they're going to make an example of anyone they catch.
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https://twitter.com/socialistdogmom/status/1599512974372134912?s=20&t=0cILqBJV8JUfA8BlXbPyCw They’ve said it could take as long as Thursday to restore power to everyone and that could still be pushed back because the full extent of damage hasn’t been fully assessed still and some parts of the substations are beyond repair and need to be completely replaced so it’s also going to be up to how readily available replacement equipment is
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Dec 4, 2022 22:44
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Main Paineframe posted:Even if they're not treated as terrorists, knocking out power to nearly half the county's population isn't "slap on the wrist" territory either. Local authorities are going to be pissed off, without a doubt. And it's a majority-white county known for its golf resorts, so state and federal authorities aren't likely to turn a blind eye either. What they absolutely need to do is arrest that LibsofTikTok woman considering how many acts of violence she has helped to inspire against people all over the country
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FlamingLiberal posted:The FBI is already in NC investigating this, I really don't get the impression that it's not being taken seriously by the authorities And how openly. After Club Q she all but posted "do this one next" within like 24 hours if I remember right.
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FlamingLiberal posted:The FBI is already in NC investigating this, I really don't get the impression that it's not being taken seriously by the authorities Again, it's insane how this otherwise completely obscure realtor from New York had a Patrick Bateman-style brain crack one day and became the Ayman al-Zawahiri of US domestic terrorism purely through the power of the internet. It kinda shows that like basically anyone out there is just one neuron misfire away from going from like being a graveyard shift Wal-Mart Supercenter cashier to inspiring a dirty bomb attack on a Blues Clues Live show on Boardway or whatever through one viral TikTok rant.
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FlamingLiberal posted:The FBI is already in NC investigating this, I really don't get the impression that it's not being taken seriously by the authorities So I know zero about this but is this a thing where the person labels themselves a LIB so that anyone who listens to talk radio or watches FOX can say "well, obviously this is a left wing attack"? Similar to how MAGA types like to equate democrats with Hitler because National Socialist Party. Or am I overthinking this?
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BiggerBoat posted:So I know zero about this but is this a thing where the person labels themselves a LIB so that anyone who listens to talk radio or watches FOX can say "well, obviously this is a left wing attack"? Similar to how MAGA types like to equate democrats with Hitler because National Socialist Party. Or am I overthinking this? She's pointing out all the wacky libs on TikTok And saying they deserve to die
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BiggerBoat posted:So I know zero about this but is this a thing where the person labels themselves a LIB so that anyone who listens to talk radio or watches FOX can say "well, obviously this is a left wing attack"? Similar to how MAGA types like to equate democrats with Hitler because National Socialist Party. Or am I overthinking this? No, they aren't doing a bit or playing a character. Most of their tweets are pretty straightforward in the format of "here's what those evil liberals are doing today". Their primary focus is hatred against LGBT, with an emphasis on the "immoral" things the godless left are trying to teach our children to try to make them all gay.
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BiggerBoat posted:So I know zero about this but is this a thing where the person labels themselves a LIB so that anyone who listens to talk radio or watches FOX can say "well, obviously this is a left wing attack"? Similar to how MAGA types like to equate democrats with Hitler because National Socialist Party. Or am I overthinking this? afaict it started life as a hatereading account reposting all the dem/left posts and such that made her angry, whereupon she more or less immediately segued into providing RL information about the posts and posters that made her angry
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Has anyone actually published proof it was targeted to the drag show? I'm not discounting it at all or that it's all whisper network right now but those articles specifically say no one has claimed the attack and the police don't know. Edit: Ahh, protestors doing a "I know" but not speaking. Gumball Gumption fucked around with this message at 01:06 on Dec 5, 2022 |
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LibsofTikTok is similar to kiwifarms
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BiggerBoat posted:So I know zero about this but is this a thing where the person labels themselves a LIB so that anyone who listens to talk radio or watches FOX can say "well, obviously this is a left wing attack"? Similar to how MAGA types like to equate democrats with Hitler because National Socialist Party. Or am I overthinking this? The nature of the account isn't "I'm a lib on TikTok", it's more like "look at all these dumb libs on TikTok, let's all make fun of them". It's basically a "post stuff from people we hate to mock them" account, except there's no "don't touch the poop" rule and much of its audience is brain-poisoned idiots who get off on stalking and harassing the mock targets. Random transphobes who get mad about LGBT-friendly stuff in their communities privately send their complaints to this person, and LibsOfTiktok tweets it out to their national follower base - who then descend on some random elementary school or children's hospital or nightclub with a wave of hate mail, harassment, and threats.
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Crain posted:Literally some "It Could Happen Here" poo poo. That's terrorism.  This seems pretty straight forward
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Putting yourself under suspicion of conspiracy right off the bat is some libsoftiktok-brained poo poo.
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Jethro posted:She's pointing out all the wacky libs on TikTok And providing as much information about them and encouragement as she can to ensure someone tries to kill them.
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Gumball Gumption posted:Has anyone actually published proof it was targeted to the drag show? I'm not discounting it at all or that it's all whisper network right now but those articles specifically say no one has claimed the attack and the police don't know. There was one person who said “I know why but I’m not saying” and when the cops talked to her she was your average evangelical nutter and was rambling about gods will punishing all I’m honestly leaning to it being unrelated because honestly for these people they don’t take indirect action like this, they would be much more overt with it.
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FCKGW posted:There was one person who said “I know why but I’m not saying” and when the cops talked to her she was your average evangelical nutter and was rambling about gods will punishing all i would lean towards this reading of the situation more if the cops themselves didn't describe it as 'we joined her for for a moment of prayer'
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redbrouw posted:Putting yourself under suspicion of conspiracy right off the bat is some libsoftiktok-brained poo poo. there is a certain strain of this that they will get the police to come to them, convert them, and then have them do their bidding to show where the real evil is.
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FCKGW posted:I’m honestly leaning to it being unrelated because honestly for these people they don’t take indirect action like this, they would be much more overt with it. Alternatively, if you want to strike back against the evil left but you don't want to rot in prison, you might think of something like this. If you take "direct" action, you are not going to get away with it.
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The Direct Action activists in this case might conceivably get away with it, which is very bad as far as encouraging others, but as people have mentioned above, it's not going to be for want of law enforcement interest. It's just that this (and arson) are relatively good choices for terrorists who would like to possibly terrorism again and/or not spend the rest of their lives in prison. e: also I know what you're getting at but there's no universe where this isn't direct action and blocking roads or some poo poo is
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Herstory Begins Now posted:i would lean towards this reading of the situation more if the cops themselves didn't describe it as 'we joined her for for a moment of prayer' Unless they meant they called a young priest and an old priest to pray, yeah that was very concerning.
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Main Paineframe posted:The nature of the account isn't "I'm a lib on TikTok", it's more like "look at all these dumb libs on TikTok, let's all make fun of them". It's basically a "post stuff from people we hate to mock them" account, except there's no "don't touch the poop" rule and much of its audience is brain-poisoned idiots who get off on stalking and harassing the mock targets. Google Jeb Bush posted:afaict it started life as a hatereading account reposting all the dem/left posts and such that made her angry, whereupon she more or less immediately segued into providing RL information about the posts and posters that made her angry Rigel posted:No, they aren't doing a bit or playing a character. Most of their tweets are pretty straightforward in the format of "here's what those evil liberals are doing today". Their primary focus is hatred against LGBT, with an emphasis on the "immoral" things the godless left are trying to teach our children to try to make them all gay. Jethro posted:She's pointing out all the wacky libs on TikTok Oh. So it's even shttier and more horrible than I thought. Cool. This is mixing in real nice with Trump saying "gently caress the constitution, I'm the president" and RW sites beginning to line up and agree with him in ways that make me feel great about the future. Awesome.
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There was a major attack on a PG&E substation near silicon valley a decade ago. It didn't get a ton of national press because it happened the same week as the Boston marathon bombings. There's a decent amount of info on the Wikipedia page (Metcalf substation), and as far as I know the FBI has not solved the case or publicly named any suspects. These pieces of critical infrastructure are pretty vulnerable to small arms fire, as it turns out. If you know what to target, you can do a lot of damage in short order. If you know about how the grid in that area is all chained together, you could cause a cascade event. The Metcalf attack drove some regulatory security changes for substations, but they're not manned facilities so there's only so much you can do against a dedicated and knowledge adversary.
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Dr. VooDoo posted:https://twitter.com/socialistdogmom/status/1599512974372134912?s=20&t=0cILqBJV8JUfA8BlXbPyCw They’ve said it could take as long as Thursday to restore power to everyone and that could still be pushed back because the full extent of damage hasn’t been fully assessed still and some parts of the substations are beyond repair and need to be completely replaced so it’s also going to be up to how readily available replacement equipment is without knowing the manufacturer/model specifics, I can say from experience that a lot of major equipment and specialty substation parts that used to take 3 or 6 months to locate, purchase, and deliver now take 9 or 12 or 18 months in some cases. It's pretty dire and a lot of things are basically running on temporary repairs and compromised functionality.
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