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cinci zoo sniper posted:I also have to say that you better skip the part where you make any of the posts quoted herein the next time. I for some inexplicable reason thought I was in the doomsday economy thread. Sorry about that.
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piL posted:I think that just proves the Germans sent an attractive saleswoman. I think the joke here was that Petraeus was recently involved in a scandal because he had an affair, not that attractive saleswomen are attractive.
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a primate posted:I think the joke here was that Petraeus was recently involved in a scandal because he had an affair, not that attractive saleswomen are attractive. Unfortunately for the suffering joke authors worldwide, I'm the reader.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Unfortunately for the suffering joke authors worldwide, I'm the reader. Lol fair enough.
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golden bubble posted:So this is why a mere BMP was able to shove around a bunch of "anti tank obstacles". They were actually hollow shells filled with copium. Who took this photo? Didn't they set them up somewhere further than the front? I don't doubt the credibility of Oryx out of all the sources, but this seems kinda suspicious, even though I'd like this to be Groverteeth and for the russian army to get hosed. Especially since they themselves claim that no Ukrainian tank has gotten close, did the infantry get there? Also lol 
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Kikas posted:Who took this photo? Didn't they set them up somewhere further than the front? I don't doubt the credibility of Oryx out of all the sources, but this seems kinda suspicious, even though I'd like this to be Groverteeth and for the russian army to get hosed. Especially since they themselves claim that no Ukrainian tank has gotten close, did the infantry get there? The Russians take pictures too you know.
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I saw this on r/UkrainianConflict https://twitter.com/JayinKyiv/status/1600385145974190080 https://newsingermany.com/police-operation-against-right-wing-conspirators-raid-due-to-planned-coup/ quote:BERLIN taz/dpa | Early in the morning, the Federal Public Prosecutor took action against a suspected terrorist group that is said to have planned an armed attack on the Bundestag, among other things. On Wednesday morning, 25 people from the so-called Reich Citizens’ Scene were arrested in the course of a raid, said a spokeswoman for the Karlsruhe authority. Numerous officials are deployed in eleven federal states. Wonder if Putin's fingerprints are on it. Though European Nobility trying to start a coup was NOT on my Bingo card for 2022. Is this a Battletech storyline or something more from Gundam?
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A bit more organised an reaching into the higher echelons than the usual coup attempts, which is worrying, but I have to wonder how they envisioned stage two of the coup going. Like, do they think that after storming and occupying the Reichstag the civil service is just going to start taking policy direction from them?
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Of all the countries to start that kind of poo poo Germany is the least likely to succeed. I imagine military and general public would be "uh, nope, not doing that poo poo again" and respond with proper force. e: as of which fictional universe that story belongs to I'm torn between Nikita and Grimm alex314 fucked around with this message at 09:56 on Dec 7, 2022 |
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Comstar posted:Wonder if Putin's fingerprints are on it. quote:According to prosecutors, Heinrich XIII P. R., who the group planned to install as the new leader of Germany, had made contact with Russian officials seeking to establish a new order in Germany once the Berlin government was overthrown. A Russian woman, Vitalia B, had allegedly given him help with this. https://www.dw.com/en/german-police-arrest-25-suspects-over-plot-to-overthrow-state/a-64011136
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There is no nobility in Germany. But it shows once again that former nobility LARPing as Princes and Lords are dangerous, and should not be tolerated in a democracy. Their ideology is fundamentally opposed to the democratic order. Anyway, have a more detailed article than what "newsingermany.com" plagiarised: TAZ via deepl posted:BERLIN taz/afp | These are the largest raids against the right-wing extremist scene in years: Since early Wednesday morning, 3,000 police officers have been searching homes in eleven federal states. They are targeting 52 suspects, 25 of whom have been arrested - among them former members of the Bundeswehr, AfD politician Birgit Malsack-Winkemann and nobleman Prince Heinrich XIII R. They are accused of forming a terrorist organisation and planning to overthrow the government.
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Bug Squash posted:A bit more organised an reaching into the higher echelons than the usual coup attempts, which is worrying, but I have to wonder how they envisioned stage two of the coup going. Like, do they think that after storming and occupying the Reichstag the civil service is just going to start taking policy direction from them? I think the general idea is that these kinds of acts will be followed by a general uprising/revolution of the tired and oppressed masses and then possibly a civil war/Helter Skelter. The masses are only waiting for a sign to start. Alternatively, these are the people who unironically believe that magic word invocations can get them out of paying taxes and who are writing to Putin/Trump to intervene in their custody battle with child protection services. They are already delusional/seriously mentally ill so they might think physically occupying the building gives them some kind of legal powers.
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Man, every single time I keep thinking all the "Deep State" stuff is just excuses for a desire to seize power and every time these people actually truly believe it.
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“Deep State” is a code word for “Jewish Cabal” for a lot of these people, so the world view is hardly a new one
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golden bubble posted:So this is why a mere BMP was able to shove around a bunch of "anti tank obstacles". They were actually hollow shells filled with copium. it's so nuts that the biggest country in the world can't even manage basic things like this
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GABA ghoul posted:I think the general idea is that these kinds of acts will be followed by a general uprising/revolution of the tired and oppressed masses and then possibly a civil war/Helter Skelter. The masses are only waiting for a sign to start. Yeah the reichsburger give big sovereign citizen vibes with the "  the old constitution wasn't nullified so therefore the power belongs to the Kaiser, somehow"
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KingaSlipek posted:People from the same party as you, The Greens One person, and he is bullshitting.
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https://twitter.com/MIL_STD/status/1600473575617486848?s=20&t=xhwL1gbngwRKAe-Kk16MdQ These aren't necessarily for Ukraine, but it's an interesting shopping list. The 1700 ATACMS stands out a bit. Wonder if they're wavering on that since AFU has demonstrated its own ability to attack within Russia
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OAquinas posted:https://twitter.com/MIL_STD/status/1600473575617486848?s=20&t=xhwL1gbngwRKAe-Kk16MdQ I suspect the calculus has recently shifted from 'what about red lines' to 'hang on, Russia might just lose a significant portion of their their nuclear bomber fleet...' It's kind of hard to hide very large planes.
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Antigravitas posted:But it shows once again that former nobility LARPing as Princes and Lords are dangerous, and should not be tolerated in a democracy. Their ideology is fundamentally opposed to the democratic order.  I only discovered relatively recently that Europe still has people that insist on reminding everyone who their ancestors were. Honestly it’s mostly surprising to me that such behavior doesn’t result in those doofuses being shunned out of society.
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OAquinas posted:https://twitter.com/MIL_STD/status/1600473575617486848?s=20&t=xhwL1gbngwRKAe-Kk16MdQ It's as much about China as it is Ukraine. They expect China to force the issue/start a war over Taiwan probably ~2025-2027 if present trends continue (possibly sooner if China perceives American ability to intervene in support of Taiwan weakening). That's what's at the end of basically all American conversations about deterrence. Like the US doesn't need a large stockpile of and ongoing manufacturing capacity for naval missiles for anything happening in Ukraine. Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 17:40 on Dec 7, 2022 |
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Ynglaur posted:That is a lot of naval surface-to-surface missiles. Well you know, those Russian warships ain't gonna sink themselves... *reads the official account of Moskva* ...oh!
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Ynglaur posted:That is a lot of naval surface-to-surface missiles. The US very much wants to be able to sink any theoretical Chinese carrier group that might appear in the future Edit: That being said, I’ve heard it also said that what we should really look for, if we’re concerned about a Chinese invasion of Taiwan, is the construction of RO/RO transports, of which I don’t think they currently have many Scratch Monkey fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Dec 7, 2022 |
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Scratch Monkey posted:The US very much wants to be able to sink any theoretical Chinese carrier group that might appear in the future it's more the US wants to be able to clear the taiwan strait without exposing carrier battle groups to chinese missiles china's not going to get a carrier battle group worth a drat in five years, but its goal is to flood the strait with ships and use missiles to force the US to back off and/or lose the carrier groups trying to stop them. china wants aircraft carriers effectively obsolete in a way similar to tanks being (arguably) somewhat obsolete in a country flooded with javelins, as China can't compete with the american navy in the short term. a navy is where a runaway endless military budget is most effective.
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Scratch Monkey posted:The US very much wants to be able to sink any theoretical Chinese carrier group that might appear in the future RoRos come after a beachhead and deep water port has been secured. Also, Chinese shipping lines, which operate at the behest of the CCP, have plenty of RoRos to appropriate. China's been building quite a lot of landing craft and their C-17 knockoffs.
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OAquinas posted:https://twitter.com/MIL_STD/status/1600473575617486848?s=20&t=xhwL1gbngwRKAe-Kk16MdQ Apparently after watching Ukraine the DoD has decided that it's important to build up large, on-going procurement contracts for munitions of all kinds just in case. Poking around on this story a bit, it seems like the headline isn't so much the quantities involved (though there's a lot) as it is the fact that they're including a lot of items in the procurement plan on a multiyear basis instead of an annual basis, which in theory means more stability and reliability for defense contractors and less cost for the government since they're buying in bulk, though with the downside that such contracts will now be a fixed item in the budget until the contract is over. Presumably recent events have convinced people that this isn't as big a dealbreaker as it might have been in the past.
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Tomn posted:Apparently after watching Ukraine the DoD has decided that it's important to build up large, on-going procurement contracts for munitions of all kinds just in case. Poking around on this story a bit, it seems like the headline isn't so much the quantities involved (though there's a lot) as it is the fact that they're including a lot of items in the procurement plan on a multiyear basis instead of an annual basis, which in theory means more stability and reliability for defense contractors and less cost for the government since they're buying in bulk, though with the downside that such contracts will now be a fixed item in the budget until the contract is over. Presumably recent events have convinced people that this isn't as big a dealbreaker as it might have been in the past. Yeah the US spent 2 decades in counter-insurgency wars that didn't need anything like the amount of ammo getting tossed in Ukraine. It's honestly surprising that the US military was planning to deal with Taiwan without these boosts to ammo production. They owe Ukraine not just for the business, but showing them just how far off their plans were for peer conflict well ahead of time. And not just for ammo, now we know we have to stock transformers and other infrastructure, and bring a bunch of manufacturing back in-country so they don't rely on a potential adversary. Slight tangent from that; I'm not surprised at the Russian links to the thwarted coup in Germany. One might hope this would tip Germany to stop waffling with Russian appeasement. But people keep voting GOP in droves after their failed coup so *shrug*
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Situation in South west Ukraine is pretty bleak. Everyone will survive, its just solidly 19th century right now. Limited access to electricity means limited access to water, and even things like money considering most use electronic banking. The situation is probably worse than the beginning of war in terms of human conditions. I think most were expecting this, began stocking up and I'm confident international aid will prevent any disaster. It's just hard to hear.
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Scratch Monkey posted:The US very much wants to be able to sink any theoretical Chinese carrier group that might appear in the future evilweasel posted:it's more the US wants to be able to clear the taiwan strait without exposing carrier battle groups to chinese missiles BIG HEADLINE posted:RoRos come after a beachhead and deep water port has been secured. Also, Chinese shipping lines, which operate at the behest of the CCP, have plenty of RoRos to appropriate. Not here, please.
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Orthanc6 posted:Yeah the US spent 2 decades in counter-insurgency wars that didn't need anything like the amount of ammo getting tossed in Ukraine. It's honestly surprising that the US military was planning to deal with Taiwan without these boosts to ammo production. They owe Ukraine not just for the business, but showing them just how far off their plans were for peer conflict well ahead of time. And not just for ammo, now we know we have to stock transformers and other infrastructure, and bring a bunch of manufacturing back in-country so they don't rely on a potential adversary. This is ironic because we were running quite low on ammo in the mid-2000s. There were times when you basically couldn't buy 5.56mm on the civilian market for any price in parts of the US. Supply and ammunition use is bursty and at times unpredictable. For example, in 2003 we had a platoon of MPs for, for a few weeks, were using more small arms ammo on a daily basis than the rest of the cavalry squadron combined (I know, I know, insert ACAB joke here.)
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Herstory Begins Now posted:It's as much about China as it is Ukraine. They expect China to force the issue/start a war over Taiwan probably ~2025-2027 if present trends continue (possibly sooner if China perceives American ability to intervene in support of Taiwan weakening). That's what's at the end of basically all American conversations about deterrence. Like the US doesn't need a large stockpile of and ongoing manufacturing capacity for naval missiles for anything happening in Ukraine. What's the basis for the expectation that China will invade Taiwan in ~2025-2027? A source would be fine, I'm not looking to kick off a huge China slapfight here.
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Ynglaur posted:This is ironic because we were running quite low on ammo in the mid-2000s. There were times when you basically couldn't buy 5.56mm on the civilian market for any price in parts of the US. According to this: https://www.csis.org/analysis/united-states-running-out-weapons-send-ukraine the issue of small-arms ammo seems to be fine for Ukraine, at least for now. 26 million rounds being less than 1% of US production. I'm not surprised, given the ludicrous expansion of gun culture in the US. Honestly I'm a bit surprised there were issues in the mid-2000's, I'd guess the Cold War draw down in the 90's was to blame. I hope they have a timetable by now of when Ukraine can start expecting the shells to really start flowing in. I'd guess mid-2023 at the earliest, but of course I'd prefer that Russia's army completes its process of falling apart at the seams before then. ATACMS' would be nice too but if Ukraine is just making it's own long-range strike capability that's much less a pressing need than having a steady stockpile of shells and artillery barrels.
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Orthanc6 posted:Yeah the US spent 2 decades in counter-insurgency wars that didn't need anything like the amount of ammo getting tossed in Ukraine. It's honestly surprising that the US military was planning to deal with Taiwan without these boosts to ammo production. They owe Ukraine not just for the business, but showing them just how far off their plans were for peer conflict well ahead of time. And not just for ammo, now we know we have to stock transformers and other infrastructure, and bring a bunch of manufacturing back in-country so they don't rely on a potential adversary. It really goes to show how for all the talk about China being the West's biggest future geopolitical rival, on an institutional level NATO militaries were still up until this year operating on the assumption that a peer or near-peer war would never happen again and it'd all be GWOT-type counter-insurgency operations for the rest of time. Really proves that adage about generals always being prepared to fight the previous war.
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Vox Nihili posted:What's the basis for the expectation that China will invade Taiwan in ~2025-2027? A source would be fine, I'm not looking to kick off a huge China slapfight here. Scroll up.
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Ynglaur posted:This is ironic because we were running quite low on ammo in the mid-2000s. There were times when you basically couldn't buy 5.56mm on the civilian market for any price in parts of the US. Wasn't that just because the chuds were hoarding it all because they thought Obama was gonna take their guns?
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spankmeister posted:Wasn't that just because the chuds were hoarding it all because they thought Obama was gonna take their guns? Yep the great ammo shortage of 2012-13. Rounds like 5.56 and especially 22LR were being hoarded up by all the chuds and basically impossible to find after Obama was re-elected and the Sandy Hook massacre because of fears that their murder toys would be taken away.
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Girkin is back and happy as ever https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1600599629044846602?s=20&t=4-r02ih_5F-imtDK3WlHfA Meduza has an extremely bleak piece about life in occupied Mariupol https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/12/06/we-ve-been-left-to-die Meduza English piece is an abridgement of this piece in Russian https://istories.media/stories/2022/12/02/obrecheny-na-vymiranie/ Kind of a range of perspectives to the extent that there aren't good representative quotes to pull, still the whole thing is worth a read. Vox Nihili posted:What's the basis for the expectation that China will invade Taiwan in ~2025-2027? A source would be fine, I'm not looking to kick off a huge China slapfight here. https://pastebin.com/vpHSi82D linking to minimize the derail because I don't have pms
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