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| Shohei Ohtani |
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Nodoze posted:The Angels also keep losing because they keep throwing money at bats and don't have a pitching staff other than Ohtani They keep signing bats on the wrong side of 30.
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Dec 8, 2022 16:15
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The Angels keep losing because they have no player development to speak of The Dodgers entire rotation is home grown right now, and all FA supplements to it this past year were reclamation projects they managed to fix bawfuls fucked around with this message at 16:19 on Dec 8, 2022 |
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Dec 8, 2022 16:17
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Nodoze posted:Everyone knows the back end of huge deals are whatever, it's just the cost of doing business. None of these teams are hurting for money Tons of teams don't have late 20s/early 30s dudes on 10 year contracts. 11 year pre-arb extension for Tatis, Acuna, J-Rod: makes sense. 11 year FA signing for 30-year old Xander Bogaerts? That isn't the cost of doing business, that's a terrible contract. Just go look at Sox twitter/reddit/social medal they're like "Lol love you X, but not that much". Pads were on tilt from getting shut out from the big time FAs and massively overpaid. They now have five SS on their 40 man bawfuls posted:The Angels keep losing because they have no player development to speak of Yeah this is the secret sauce and there's no substitute for it. Young dudes under lots of team control with a few vets traded for/signed to fill holes. zoux fucked around with this message at 16:21 on Dec 8, 2022 |
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Dec 8, 2022 16:18
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Sure would be nice if the Cubs made a big deal.
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Dec 8, 2022 16:20
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Mustached Demon posted:Sure would be nice if the Cubs made a big deal. There's still some reclamation project pitchers out there.
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Dec 8, 2022 16:24
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Also, for funsies (names removed because remembering is doxxing): [After the Yankees leaked their offer] https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=1&threadid=3998983&pagenumber=5&perpage=40&highlight=judge#post522676806 posted:Judge is about to be 30, has injury history and has an underlying health problem that could supposedly end his career at any moment https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=1&threadid=3998983&pagenumber=5&perpage=40&highlight=judge#post522676856 posted:i feel like if you're an injury prone player about to turn 30 and someone offers you this contract you do a big fist pump and go buy a new mansion somewhere https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=1&threadid=3998983&pagenumber=5&perpage=40&highlight=judge#post522675044 posted:Yes if I were him I would have taken it https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3998983&userid=0&perpage=40&highlight=judge&pagenumber=6#post522678319 posted:turning that offer down is.....an interesting decision https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3998983&userid=0&perpage=40&highlight=judge&pagenumber=6#post522678485 posted:He is 30, who is giving him a 10 year deal? 7 for 225 is a lot for a guy with his injury history and more than I expected them to offer to be quite honest https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3998983&userid=0&perpage=40&highlight=judge&pagenumber=6#post522678610 posted:we already knew Judge's decision-making wasn't the best but if he thinks he's gonna get 10 years in FA then just https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3998983&userid=0&perpage=40&highlight=judge&pagenumber=6#post522679558 posted:"I think Judge is crazy not to take that deal because of his own injury history and the way the market is these days. I'm pretty sure he'd be in top 10 paid position players if not top 5. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3998983&userid=0&perpage=40&highlight=judge&pagenumber=6#post522681345 posted:Lol good luck with that. Please trade him. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3998983&userid=0&perpage=40&highlight=judge&pagenumber=7#post522681721 posted:aaron judge's camp is not very bright it seems Extremely intelligent and good looking poster posted:Kris Bryant being the perfect reminder that it only takes one. Will he get 324/9 on the market next year? Probably not, but part of the team benefit of extending your stars is that you don't have to worry about a bidding war with *spins wheel* the Padres after they magically shed Hosmer and Wil. Should they go and albatross themselves like that again? No. Would I want to bet on Preller showing restraint, especially if this season ends in a sweep or another collapse and his job is on the line? No. Extremely ugly dumbdumb who had the benefit of seeing half the season posted:Honestly the best solution to me feels something like 225/5 before an optout and then 75/5 as the back half. Maybe a team option with a $30m buyout after year 7. Basically the Yankees guaranteeing $60m for the right to pay him around his value now while protecting themselves on the back end and betting that Judge feels confident enough about the back half and rising salaries that he'll bet on beating $85/5 in a few years rather than hunting $310/10. I will hold to my comment in early April though: Paracaidas posted:
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Dec 8, 2022 16:24
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bawfuls posted:It wont be a third of their payroll by then at the rate revenues have been growing.  ) for $600m a decade ago, per Forbes. By their estimate (slightly better for valuation than the dogshit it is for revenue), at the start of 2022 the franchise is now worth a billion more. After the playoff run and implementing a waitlist because too many people want season tickets, I'm sure that'll be much closer to $2b when they update in March. Cannot stress enough that looking payroll compared to revenue is giving in to the owners' dumbass framing and that Seidler will have made insane profit on the Padres as an asset even if they re-sign Manny and Soto to recordbreaking deals in consecutive offseasons and somehow Angels their way out of contention for a few yearsEvery team in every market can do this. Most would just rather coast on other teams causing their values to appreciate while also turning an operating profit.
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Dec 8, 2022 16:35
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zoux posted:Just go look at Sox twitter/reddit/social medal they're like "Lol love you X, but not that much".
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Dec 8, 2022 16:38
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It’s way better for the team to pay a guy 20 million now and 20 million ten years from now rather than 40 million now. Simplifying it a bit Those long deals are exceedingly team friendly, they aren’t “terrible contracts” or whatever
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Dec 8, 2022 16:38
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Paracaidas posted:Yup. Also Seidler bought the team (and 20% of the RSN, Yes they *could* do it but they never will so I'd rather discuss the real market than the ideal luxury communism market. The real market is whatever the owners have colluded - either indirectly through payroll management or probably, directly - to set it at.
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Dec 8, 2022 16:38
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Paracaidas posted:Also, for funsies (names removed because remembering is doxxing): None of those takes were unreasonable at the time, the dude had the best offensive season since Bonds. The time period the Yankees hosed this up was by not signing Judge long term back in 2018 or 2019 like the Braves do but they NEVER do that.
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Dec 8, 2022 16:44
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Paracaidas posted:Also, for funsies (names removed because remembering is doxxing): pretty sure one of these is me and I have no problem admitting I was wrong no-one was expecting Judge to put up a historically good season and drive his price way the gently caress up
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Dec 8, 2022 16:57
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mcmagic posted:None of those takes were unreasonable at the time, the dude had the best offensive season since Bonds. The time period the Yankees hosed this up was by not signing Judge long term back in 2018 or 2019 like the Braves do but they NEVER do that. Now now, they signed Severino and Hicks. Cashman probably looked at that and goes "SEE this is why we don't do that  "
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Dec 8, 2022 16:58
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So are the Cubs just giving up on Nico at short or are they planning on moving him to 2B because SS is one of the few positions with good free agents this year? I'd feel more comfortable without Sampson as our 5th starter, but Stro, Hendricks, Taillon, and Steele are a solid rotation as long as Hendricks isn't dead forever.
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Dec 8, 2022 17:00
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can't believe the Cubbies are holding off on announcing Cool Carlos, beloved teammate by all, is coming to Wrigleyville wow just get it public guys
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Dec 8, 2022 17:07
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maffew buildings posted:can't believe the Cubbies are holding off on announcing Cool Carlos, beloved teammate by all, is coming to Wrigleyville wow just get it public guys They need time to get the clubhouse cans ready.
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Dec 8, 2022 17:09
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Twin Cinema posted:I love cheering for San Diego, because I like when teams just say "gently caress it", and try their hardest at building a roster with money. It's why I have never disliked the Dodgers. The Dodgers are essentially homegrown OP. I guess they had Freeman, Betts, and Trea Turner but the latter 2 were trades that utilized their farm to pick up and they only signed Betts.
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Dec 8, 2022 17:11
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Chicago Cub Carlos Correa is pleasantly alliterative and, if I may, euphonic.
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Dec 8, 2022 17:13
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zoux posted:Chicago Cub Carlos Correa is pleasantly alliterative and, if I may, euphonic. Many people are saying this
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Dec 8, 2022 17:13
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zoux posted:Chicago Cub Carlos Correa is pleasantly alliterative and, if I may, euphonic. They aren't worthy of our beautiful boy.
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Dec 8, 2022 17:17
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zoux posted:Yes they *could* do it but they never will so I'd rather discuss the real market than the ideal luxury communism market. The real market is whatever the owners have colluded - either indirectly through payroll management or probably, directly - to set it at. All that said, deal doesn't seem great. Still not as bad as the Diaz contract though. mcmagic posted:None of those takes were unreasonable at the time, the dude had the best offensive season since Bonds. The time period the Yankees hosed this up was by not signing Judge long term back in 2018 or 2019 like the Braves do but they NEVER do that. Julio Cruz posted:pretty sure one of these is me and I have no problem admitting I was wrong  even just matching Fangraph's ZIPs projection would have had him 5th in OPS this year. I'm sure he wouldn't have made quite as much without the run but it sure looks like even just matching that would've gotten him a lot better than 225x7In all seriousness, part of not quoting names is that this wasn't meant as "look at these abject morons"... Just funny how nearly universal the narrative was that Judge's expectations were unreasonable and he'd be lucky to sign the Yankees offer. Contract hot takes are fun, I'm sure Diaz is going to be the second coming of Mo and my insistence it's the offseason's worst contract will look dumb as hell.
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Dec 8, 2022 17:23
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Nodoze posted:Now now, they signed Severino and Hicks. Cashman probably looked at that and goes "SEE this is why we don't do that Well they also suck at picking out the right players to extend. The Severino contract was fine and I guess there was an argument to be made that Hicks had some upside and he was OK for a few years with the Yankees but Judge was a no brainer to extend. The guy had an MVP season as a rookie.
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Dec 8, 2022 17:24
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mcmagic posted:Well they also suck at picking out the right players to extend. The Severino contract was fine and I guess there was an argument to be made that Hicks had some upside and he was OK for a few years with the Yankees but Judge was a no brainer to extend. The guy had an MVP season as a rookie. Whatever happened to Tanaka? Did he fall off and just disappear? He was a playoff monster.
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Dec 8, 2022 17:30
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zoux posted:Chicago Cub Carlos Correa is pleasantly alliterative and, if I may, euphonic. Celebrated Cheating Can-Clanging Chicago Cub Carlos Correa Crushes Copious Curveballs
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Dec 8, 2022 17:30
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Sab0921 posted:Whatever happened to Tanaka? Did he fall off and just disappear? He was a playoff monster. They let him go back to Japan.
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Dec 8, 2022 17:33
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Sab0921 posted:Whatever happened to Tanaka? Did he fall off and just disappear? He was a playoff monster. He went back to Japan and is pitching there
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Dec 8, 2022 17:37
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Tanaka is a guy that every Yankee fan loved but I don't think it was insane to not sign him back tbh. The pitching hasn't been the problem.
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Dec 8, 2022 17:39
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It's okay, you can just say it was mcmagic
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Dec 8, 2022 17:48
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Some Numbers posted:It's okay, you can just say it was mcmagic I don't think any of those quotes were me. However I did think that the Yankees spring training offer was reasonable and that he wasn't going to come back after they made the offer public to try to turn the fans against him.
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Dec 8, 2022 17:52
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euphronius posted:It’s way better for the team to pay a guy 20 million now and 20 million ten years from now rather than 40 million now. Simplifying it a bit $25 million is not going to be a big deal in 2030.
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Dec 8, 2022 17:56
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One of them was me, poo poo happens. He bet on himself and won
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Dec 8, 2022 17:56
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if anyone goes back to look through my post history you will find i have never been wrong about anything
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Dec 8, 2022 18:14
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Kind of hosed up that the Dodgers are more scared of the fan reaction to signing Correa than they were with Bauer.
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Dec 8, 2022 18:27
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Traxis posted:Kind of hosed up that the Dodgers are more scared of the fan reaction to signing Correa than they were with Bauer. Bauer did not have the same baggage at the time of signing him that he does now
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Dec 8, 2022 18:29
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That reaction will also end for most of the fanbase about 10 seconds after he gets his first RBI in a Dodger uniform.
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Dec 8, 2022 18:30
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Nodoze posted:Bauer did not have the same baggage at the time of signing him that he does now One of his accusers filed a police report against him in 2017, and had a restraining order against him in 2020, well before the Dodgers signed him
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Dec 8, 2022 18:42
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He was well known as an egotistical shithead even before the allegations came out.
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Dec 8, 2022 18:51
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Paracaidas posted:Dude took a risk that not only got himself paid but is going to help drive up arb/pre-arb extensions across the league. Hero poo poo. I was really hoping someone would say "gently caress the cap" and offer him $300/5 or $360/6. That would have been a phenomenal deal for both sides.
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Dec 8, 2022 18:53
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Traxis posted:One of his accusers filed a police report against him in 2017, and had a restraining order against him in 2020, well before the Dodgers signed him That wasn't public knowledge, that I am aware of anyway, until after the blow up once he got to LA. I don't recall that being put out there until people started digging into him after the suit was announced
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Nodoze posted:That wasn't public knowledge, that I am aware of anyway, until after the blow up once he got to LA. I don't recall that being put out there until people started digging into him after the suit was announced
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