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nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

Main Paineframe posted:

Bari Weiss got Twitter's Deputy General Counsel fired, because she told Elon that she thought he was obstructing the process of handing all of Twitter's internal emails and documents over to her and Matt Taibbi so that they could hunt for evidence that Twitter's previous management was conspiring with the libs.

https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1600243756074049537
https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1600244722819543040
https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1600246202619944961

If there's one thing we can say about Elon's stewardship of Twitter, it's that the garbage fire has mostly been pretty funny. Firing a lawyer for thinking this process needs any kind of oversight at all isn't going to wreck Twitter worse than everything he's already done, but it still belongs solidly in the Bad Ideas column.

Hell, just the fact that now Twitter's worst users are now making company policy decisions because they have the ear of its CEO, a man who acts on whatever the literal last person who talks to him tells him to do because he's an empty-brained special boy with a three second attention span, is as loving hilarious as it is terrifying.

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Levitate
Sep 30, 2005

randy newman voice

YOU'VE GOT A LAFRENIČRE IN ME
Was there anything interesting in the “twitter files”
Seems like absolutely toning has come of it or been worth a drat

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

Levitate posted:

Was there anything interesting in the “twitter files”
Seems like absolutely toning has come of it or been worth a drat

Hunter Biden has a massive dick and the Biden family/campaign asked Twitter to try and delete any instances of it being posted by people because it was functionally revenge porn and that's illegal in a lot of places that Twitter operates and can be sued in.

That's about it.

Space Cadet Omoly
Jan 15, 2014

~Groovy~


Ghost Leviathan posted:

Lol if Chelsea Manning ends up the positive influence.

She and Grimes broke up I think.

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

Levitate posted:

Was there anything interesting in the “twitter files”
Seems like absolutely toning has come of it or been worth a drat

They unearthed a bunch of emails along the lines of "the Biden campaign sent us a list of tweets to remove" followed by a bunch of tweet URLs with no descriptions. The tweets were all deleted, of course, and Taibbi doesn't tell us what they were, so the reader could only imagine what important info Twitter was suppressing on the Biden campaign's behalf.

Unless, of course, the reader goes and looks up the tweets on an archival service, which revealed that they were all photos of Hunter's dick.

The rest of the Twitter Files so far was p much the same way: Taibbi throwing a scary narration over the most innocuous poo poo. A good chunk of it was just "Republican politicians were pissed" and "Twitter employees aren't even thinking about the First Amendment".

the other hand
Dec 14, 2003


43rd Heavy Artillery Brigade
"Ultima Ratio Liberalium"

Main Paineframe posted:

Bari Weiss got Twitter's Deputy General Counsel fired, because she told Elon that she thought he was obstructing the process of handing all of Twitter's internal emails and documents over to her and Matt Taibbi so that they could hunt for evidence that Twitter's previous management was conspiring with the libs.

As much fun as it is to dump on Elon, not sure we should leap to conclusions in this particular case. We don’t and likely never will know the details here, assuming Elon/Twitter isn’t bent on destroying attorney-client privilege.

e: ‘destroy’ = a bombastic way to say ‘waive’. Apologies for any confusion caused. Saying things that waive privilege now could have very negative implications in future litigation.

the other hand fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Dec 7, 2022

Caros
May 14, 2008

the other hand posted:

As much fun as it is to dump on Elon, not sure we should leap to conclusions in this particular case. We don’t and likely never will know the details here, assuming Elon/Twitter isn’t bent on destroying attorney-client privilege.

I dunno, elon is big mad this morning. So I assume he hosed something up and is on a rampage

I tweet very infrequently and generally banal poo poo about my new book releases. This morning I tweeted:

"@Elonmusk the guy isn't a mole in deep cover, he is an employee. Do you not know how to read a loving org chart?"

And was perma-banned from Twitter by the time I got back from my shower.

It is the best day of my life.

Soonmot
Dec 19, 2002

Entrapta fucking loves robots




Grimey Drawer

Caros posted:

I dunno, elon is big mad this morning. So I assume he hosed something up and is on a rampage

I tweet very infrequently and generally banal poo poo about my new book releases. This morning I tweeted:

"@Elonmusk the guy isn't a mole in deep cover, he is an employee. Do you not know how to read a loving org chart?"

And was perma-banned from Twitter by the time I got back from my shower.

It is the best day of my life.

F

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

the other hand posted:

assuming Elon/Twitter isn’t bent on destroying attorney-client privilege.

He seems to be bent on destroying a lot of things he probably shouldn't be, including the web site he spent $44 billion on, soooo

BadOptics
Sep 11, 2012

Levitate posted:

Was there anything interesting in the “twitter files”
Seems like absolutely toning has come of it or been worth a drat

It's unfortunately giving the "careers" of Taibbi, Bari Weiss and other Twitter warriors a new lease on life. And if course Glenn Greenwald is working pro bono because why wouldn't a habitual contrarian defend the poor little billionaire.

lobster shirt
Jun 14, 2021

the other hand posted:

As much fun as it is to dump on Elon, not sure we should leap to conclusions in this particular case. We don’t and likely never will know the details here, assuming Elon/Twitter isn’t bent on destroying attorney-client privilege.

are clients bound by attorney-client privilege? i would think elon is free to say whatever he wants. or am i misunderstanding you?

Harold Fjord
Jan 3, 2004

lobster shirt posted:

are clients bound by attorney-client privilege? i would think elon is free to say whatever he wants. or am i misunderstanding you?

I think if a client lies about something to do with the attorney they probably can't claim privilege if the attorney publicly corrects them

Mzbundifund
Nov 5, 2011

I'm afraid so.
There’s also a difference between an attorney representing Twitter and an attorney representing Musk, and a difference between Musk’s statements as his own personal opinions and his statements as a part of Twitter, the company, and these separations can and do get hairsplit constantly in court.

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

the other hand posted:

As much fun as it is to dump on Elon, not sure we should leap to conclusions in this particular case. We don’t and likely never will know the details here, assuming Elon/Twitter isn’t bent on destroying attorney-client privilege.

I'm not sure what you mean by this, but Musk has chimed in and corroborated Taibbi's claims.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1600237095364096000

Xand_Man
Mar 2, 2004

If what you say is true
Wutang might be dangerous


Hunter's hog: we have a right to know

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

lobster shirt posted:

are clients bound by attorney-client privilege? i would think elon is free to say whatever he wants. or am i misunderstanding you?

elon is free to waive the attorney-client privilege, yes

it would probably be good for him to listen to legal advice about what will waive it and if that is a good idea

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment that I'm alive, I pray for death!

evilweasel posted:

it would probably be good for him to listen to legal advice about what will waive it and if that is a good idea

Why start now?

Nissin Cup Nudist
Sep 3, 2011

Sleep with one eye open

We're off to Gritty Gritty land




I wish I had 44 billion to light on fire

Cabbit
Jul 19, 2001

Is that everything you have?

evilweasel posted:

elon is free to waive the attorney-client privilege, yes

it would probably be good for him to listen to legal advice about what will waive it and if that is a good idea

I think if Elon was in the business of listening to legal advice he probably wouldn't be firing people from Twitter's legal department for trying to do due diligence.

frameset
Apr 13, 2008

https://twitter.com/JamesClayton5/status/1600619990691954688

BadOptics
Sep 11, 2012


You forgot to post Elon's tweet basically admitting it's true but "there's other crimes going on!!!".

Mzbundifund
Nov 5, 2011

I'm afraid so.
Were these room conversions done before Elon took over?

Teratrain
Aug 23, 2007
Waiting for Godot
No, they converted some spare conference rooms into bedrooms to support their new "hardcore" working style under Musk. This was done pretty openly.

The Musk collective's rebuttal has been to shriek about kids dosing on discarded fentanyl because in modern society we can only focus on one thing at a time.

BadOptics
Sep 11, 2012

Mzbundifund posted:

Were these room conversions done before Elon took over?

I doubt it because 1) there was still work from home prior to his purchase and 2) since Twitter has gone "hardcore" Elon has taken every measure to get ensure that work comes first before anything else (not like the visa holders have any choice) and anything that would be seen as a perk (food, normal work hours, janitorial services) trashed.

Teratrain posted:

No, they converted some spare conference rooms into bedrooms to support their new "hardcore" working style under Musk. This was done pretty openly.

The Musk collective's rebuttal has been to shriek about kids dosing on discarded fentanyl because in modern society we can only focus on one thing at a time.

Yeah, for some reason the office in charge of zoning is supposed to be also running LE/drug response programs lol. Really it was Elon doing the equivalent of getting pulled over for drunk driving and yelling at the cop that there's someone else doing a bigger crime.

BadOptics fucked around with this message at 00:13 on Dec 9, 2022

Name Change
Oct 9, 2005


10 years ago almost every major tech company was moving toward this "live your work, gently caress real life" "revolutionary" approach and it's nice to see it being called out for being grotesque.

Mzbundifund
Nov 5, 2011

I'm afraid so.

BadOptics posted:

I doubt it because 1) there was still work from home prior to his purchase and 2) since Twitter has gone "hardcore" Elon has taken every measure to get ensure that work comes first before anything else (not like the visa holders have any choice) and anything that would be seen as a perk (food, normal work hours, janitorial services) trashed.

That makes sense. The rooms looked so hotel-room nice I couldn’t believe they were installed so quickly, but of course it looks like that was just his room he spared no expense on.

Halo14
Sep 11, 2001
I guess going home is Quiet Quitting.

Jaxyon
Mar 7, 2016
I’m just saying I would like to see a man beat a woman in a cage. Just to be sure.
Just need a water cooler filled with Bulk Soylent and you'll be ready to code again in no time.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Twitter Files day 2 finally happened and disgraced NYT editor Bari Weiss has been trying to create a narrative that Twitter censors conservative voices in its content moderation, but just revealed that Libs Of TikTok is apparently protected from on high by upper management.
https://twitter.com/Esqueer_/status/1601058246592077824?s=20&t=EBayiM03kb9QH-I5HiDYJw

Prism
Dec 22, 2007

yospos

Young Freud posted:

Twitter Files day 2 finally happened and disgraced NYT editor Bari Weiss has been trying to create a narrative that Twitter censors conservative voices in its content moderation, but just revealed that Libs Of TikTok is apparently protected from on high by upper management.
https://twitter.com/Esqueer_/status/1601058246592077824?s=20&t=EBayiM03kb9QH-I5HiDYJw

What's SIP-PES in this context? Can I call them sippies?

BadOptics
Sep 11, 2012

Prism posted:

What's SIP-PES in this context? Can I call them sippies?

Site Integrity Policy, Policy Escalation Support

So "If some big account/the President of the US says something inflammatory send it straight up to the C-Suite/lawyers to make a the call". So you know....what every organization on the planet does.

Prism
Dec 22, 2007

yospos

BadOptics posted:

Site Integrity Policy, Policy Escalation Support

So "If some big account/the President of the US says something inflammatory send it straight up to the C-Suite/lawyers to make a the call". So you know....what every organization on the planet does.

Usually not with Libs of Tik-Tok though.

Thanks.

Name Change
Oct 9, 2005


Bari was too socially toxic at work and generally dumb to keep a lifetime appointment as token conservative NYT columnist, something many would kill for. Difficult to imagine how low she'll ultimately sink.

That Italian Guy
Jul 25, 2012

We need the equivalent of the shrimp = small pastry avatar, but for ambulances and their mysteries now.

Sodomy Hussein posted:

10 years ago almost every major tech company was moving toward this "live your work, gently caress real life" "revolutionary" approach and it's nice to see it being called out for being grotesque.
They were, generally speaking, using the carrot (free food/gym/stuff, social groups onsite, etc) instead of the stick though; plus none of it is mandatory. And they were notoffering (not to mention enforcing) "sleep at the office" as a part of that since, you know, it's illegal in most of the world.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Sodomy Hussein posted:

Bari was too socially toxic at work and generally dumb to keep a lifetime appointment as token conservative NYT columnist, something many would kill for. Difficult to imagine how low she'll ultimately sink.

There's honestly a lot going on in that screenshot, not just LoTT getting preferential treatment. There's a watermark on the screen that is a reference to Twitter's new VP of Trust & Safety Ella Irwin, which she copped to...https://twitter.com/ellagirwin/status/1601084794288640000?t=j2_EbJINjRTTP3bwVf3o9w&s=19

And that page gives access to everything, including DMs and IPs. Now, Irwin is saying that she had full control over the access, but noted transphobe Abigail Shirer, who is involved with Weiss on these Twitter Files BS, said they were given "extensive, unaltered access", so who knows who's telling the truth.

Also, if you look closely, you'll see the traffic of the LoTT account which is apparently 1 million followers but only 800 verified users, even after the whole "buy-a-bluecheck" scheme.

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

Prism posted:

What's SIP-PES in this context? Can I call them sippies?

According to Weiss, SIP-PES was a committee that the CEO, the head of Legal, and the head of Trust and Safety sat on. It was the top arbiter on all content moderation decisions, the last level of appeal. Moderation actions on "politically sensitive" accounts would require their signoff.



In other words, Twitter mods weren't allowed to touch LibsOfTikTok's account without the direct approval of the CEO, the head mod, and the head lawyer.

Drakyn
Dec 26, 2012

That Italian Guy posted:

Sodomy Hussein posted:

10 years ago almost every major tech company was moving toward this "live your work, gently caress real life" "revolutionary" approach and it's nice to see it being called out for being grotesque.
They were, generally speaking, using the carrot (free food/gym/stuff, social groups onsite, etc) instead of the stick though; plus none of it is mandatory. And they were notoffering (not to mention enforcing) "sleep at the office" as a part of that since, you know, it's illegal in most of the world.
Wasn't this sort of 'life is work and that's okay because we're bringing your entire life to work' a thing as far back as the '90s or am I crazy and brain poisoned from that one time reading Microserfs?

Levitate
Sep 30, 2005

randy newman voice

YOU'VE GOT A LAFRENIČRE IN ME

Young Freud posted:

There's honestly a lot going on in that screenshot, not just LoTT getting preferential treatment. There's a watermark on the screen that is a reference to Twitter's new VP of Trust & Safety Ella Irwin, which she copped to...https://twitter.com/ellagirwin/status/1601084794288640000?t=j2_EbJINjRTTP3bwVf3o9w&s=19

And that page gives access to everything, including DMs and IPs. Now, Irwin is saying that she had full control over the access, but noted transphobe Abigail Shirer, who is involved with Weiss on these Twitter Files BS, said they were given "extensive, unaltered access", so who knows who's telling the truth.

Also, if you look closely, you'll see the traffic of the LoTT account which is apparently 1 million followers but only 800 verified users, even after the whole "buy-a-bluecheck" scheme.

Why are they giving reporters access to any of this and acting like it’s an ok thing to do. It’s still weird and hosed up!

I know it’s just Musk bullshit but still

BadOptics
Sep 11, 2012

Levitate posted:

Why are they giving reporters access to any of this and acting like it’s an ok thing to do. It’s still weird and hosed up!

I know it’s just Musk bullshit but still

"Reporters" is a generous title for the people involved with this. Bari couldn't even keep an opinion column position at the NYT and Taibbi has been crying about "cancel culture" for the last few years. It's more like the person who writes "To the Editor" letters to their local newspaper got access to millions of accounts/DMs so they can settle every grudge they have against "them".

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Mercury_Storm
Jun 12, 2003

*chomp chomp chomp*
Just :lol: at making some white supremacist or transphobe's account protected to the level of needing CEO approval to do anything to it because they were/are so terrified of being accused of cancel curture or whatever the gently caress

Such a colossal level of brain rot

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