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the last time I looked, there's not one single piece of writing that explains who or why all our airports are designed around the "you don't get to leave unless you get a friend in a car to circle the pickup lane from the time your flight was scheduled to land until you get your bags" who is responsible and what the gently caress were they thinking I demand to know
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Greg12 posted:the last time I looked, there's not one single piece of writing that explains who or why all our airports are designed around the "you don't get to leave unless you get a friend in a car to circle the pickup lane from the time your flight was scheduled to land until you get your bags" i mean you have other options, like paying a hundred dollars for a cab into the city or waiting 45 minutes for a bus that'll get you there in an hour or two or three
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european airports are a hell of a lot better about rail connection to the city, still in most of them the ethos turns to full gently caress you if your plane arrived at like 2300 or later. public transport decided it really had better poo poo to do so gently caress you, pay a taxi lol
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Dec 8, 2022 15:23
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bike tory posted:*New York Times voice*
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BonHair posted:The great thing about ferries is that they're huge, so any small boat getting in it's way is gonna get destroyed because you can't manoeuver a boat that well. This mostly hurts small sailing boats in real life though. sailboats have right of way over ferries so just sail away carefree just like you can walk into any crosswalk w/o fear
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CopperHound posted:I just remembered something from my childhood that made me smile: wow, very disappointing to see this kind of ableism and ageism from Ken
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Greg12 posted:the last time I looked, there's not one single piece of writing that explains who or why all our airports are designed around the "you don't get to leave unless you get a friend in a car to circle the pickup lane from the time your flight was scheduled to land until you get your bags" because there's no sane way to handle the car traffic for an entire arriving flight, let alone several. in louisville short-term parking is like $2 so I just pay it and meet them at the carousel instead of doing laps and almost getting into a wreck every single time. a light rail line that goes between the airport and downtown but nowhere useful for residents is a perennially stalled out, multi hundred million dollar proposal which occasionally gets floated but will never even begin let alone be completed
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mortons stork posted:european airports are a hell of a lot better about rail connection to the city, still in most of them the ethos turns to full gently caress you if your plane arrived at like 2300 or later. public transport decided it really had better poo poo to do so gently caress you, pay a taxi lol Copenhagen has not only a rail connection to the airport, but also a supplementary metro connection. The rail connection is oldest and also goes to Sweden, but has the problems of not running at night and limited stations (and going to Sweden). The metro is just plain good, although it has a lot of stops before the one I need. It runs all night though
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Electro-Boogie Jack posted:i mean you have other options, like paying a hundred dollars for a cab into the city or waiting 45 minutes for a bus that'll get you there in an hour or two or three I went to NOLA a few times, and each time I took the bus from the airport to downtown. it took an hour or so I think, but it was only two dollars so hey
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Ardennes posted:The rumor was that the cab companies had pushed against the train getting anywhere near the terminal. Also, the latest train needs two different transfers to go from downtown LA (in 2023 when the people mover is open) to get from downtown LA to the actual terminal (and would probably take an hour and a half+). Yeah, Vienna has an endpoint of the Western high speed train connection at the airport. It's pretty convenient.
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Greg12 posted:the last time I looked, there's not one single piece of writing that explains who or why all our airports are designed around the "you don't get to leave unless you get a friend in a car to circle the pickup lane from the time your flight was scheduled to land until you get your bags" "Fun" "facts": Newark Liberty's rickety piece of poo poo SkyTrain technically works most of the time and cost $350M in 1986. Its replacement is projected to cost over $2B (before inevitable overruns) for a whopping 2.5 miles of new elevated track. That's about 50x more expensive than a continuous train of Tesla Model 3s.
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WaryWarren posted:Last time I visited my friend in Bremerton, I flew into SeaTac, walked to the train platform, took the train to Pioneer Square, walked to the ferry terminal, took the ferry to Bremerton, walked to my friend's place. That is definitely the best way to get to the airport. I live two blocks from a light rail station and don't own a car, so that's pretty much the only way I go to and from the airport. Rumor has it the station is like a quarter mile from the terminal because the taxi companies fought it, though. It's not a big deal if you're healthy, but it's definitely a schlep if you're mobility-impaired. Also, having to walk that far if you're hauling a lot of luggage or small children sucks.
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Chicago has metro connections to both its airports, and taking it is a real treat, its like you're really back in the 1940s-50s when they were built, except they dont go as fast as they did back then
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eXXon posted:"Fun" "facts": Newark Liberty's rickety piece of poo poo SkyTrain technically works most of the time and cost $350M in 1986. Its replacement is projected to cost over $2B (before inevitable overruns) for a whopping 2.5 miles of new elevated track. That's about 50x more expensive than a continuous train of Tesla Model 3s. 12,000 dollars per inch
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distortion park posted:15,000 dollars per inch Hell, same
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Ferries kind of suck, they're just a grossly inefficient way to move people around and mostly a lovely excuse not to invest in rail or even bus tunnels. They make sense in a handful of settings and situations but they get used all over the place.
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eXXon posted:"Fun" "facts": Newark Liberty's rickety piece of poo poo SkyTrain technically works most of the time and cost $350M in 1986. Its replacement is projected to cost over $2B (before inevitable overruns) for a whopping 2.5 miles of new elevated track. That's about 50x more expensive than a continuous train of Tesla Model 3s. Vice just did an article about how much more expensive infrastructure is in the U.S. than other places: https://www.vice.com/en/article/k7b5mn/a-dollar100-billion-lesson-in-why-building-public-transportation-is-so-expensive-in-the-us It's not particularly illuminating, but it seems like it comes down to two things: 1) the grift: everyone gets their piece, and it's much worse here than in most other places, and 2) we don't loving build poo poo until it's absolutely necessary. It's all disaster capitalism, so instead of making plans for future use and building out infrastructure as it will be needed and performing regular maintenance on existing stuff, we defer everything as long as possible until it's falling apart, then dump $70 million into fixing a bridge to avoid inconveniencing a relative handful of bougie white car drivers.
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skooma512 posted:LAX is a loving nightmare, even outside of holidays. I'm flying to visit my family in Austria for Christmas. I'm flying directly from St. Louis to Frankfurt, and the airport itself is on the ICE rail network. Then I'm taking a $90 euro ticket from Frankfurt to Linz
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bike tory posted:Ferries kind of suck, they're just a grossly inefficient way to move people around and mostly a lovely excuse not to invest in rail or even bus tunnels. They make sense in a handful of settings and situations but they get used all over the place. Are ferries mostly a northern thing? I'm not even aware of any in the south that aren't, like, to a remote barrier island.
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One of the actual decent parts of the Portland MAX is that it does actually go right to the terminal building which does save a lot of time.
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Fitzy Fitz posted:Are ferries mostly a northern thing? I'm not even aware of any in the south that aren't, like, to a remote barrier island. I can't speak for other areas but western WA has the largest ferry system in the US
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Fitzy Fitz posted:Are ferries mostly a northern thing? I'm not even aware of any in the south that aren't, like, to a remote barrier island. I don't live in the US. My city has like 10 ferry routes, take about 5-10% of public transport journeys but makes up 20% of the PT emissions.
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they made ferries a bigger thing around nyc and its cool but could be cooler
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Fitzy Fitz posted:Are ferries mostly a northern thing? I'm not even aware of any in the south that aren't, like, to a remote barrier island. They COULD do the Øresund Bridge across the Salish Sea in like five places, or they could run a series of boats.  The fee structure on the ferry tickets strongly encourages people to travel as pedestrians, on bikes, or on motorcycles, rather than by car. It is a LOT more to take a car on most routes than it is to walk-on. Walk-ons might even be free on some journeys? It's been a while since I took a ferry. And then you have situations like Alaska, where the population density is very low, and mostly centered in the islands of the southeast. You have to take a ferry from the Ketchikan Airport into Ketchikan. There was a plan to build a bridge between them, this was the infamous Bridge To Nowhere. 
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hailthefish posted:They COULD do the Øresund Bridge across the Salish Sea in like five places, or they could run a series of boats. the Puget Sound is generally a lot deeper than the Øresund strait lol. I'm not sure how many of the spots you're thinking of would actually be feasible Spergin Morlock has issued a correction as of 02:33 on Dec 9, 2022 |
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good memories on the various puget sound ferries. my favorite is when tony the class clown hocked a giant loogie over the side of the orcas island ferry while it was steaming full speed and it whipped straight back into some poor random old dudes face. next favorite is telling the tourists on the bainbridge island ferry that 1. there’s real good ice cream on the island and 2. this is the boat that mulched the horse in the movie The Ring
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Spergin Morlock posted:the Puget Sound is generally a lot deeper than the Øresund strait lol. I'm not sure how many of the spots you're thinking of would actually be feasible Yeah it's just really not at all feasible to cross with fixed structures. Especially not with US infrastructure construction costs + the seattle process. 100 years to build a 40 trillion dollar bridge from Camano Island to Whidbey Island.
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"Dad, how do they figure out the working life of a bridge?" "Well, they just drive cars and trucks over it for decades and decades until it falls over, then they stop the timer and rebuild the bridge"
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Let me offer some happier reading. https://twitter.com/modacitylife/status/1601122860495314945
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burlington vt: lets add a mile long freeway on-ramp to our downtown center
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Martian posted:Let me offer some happier reading. At-grade trams are obsolete and that's why all the best places to live as a pedestrian are building them out,
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is an at grade tram a street car?
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Tram, street car, whatever you want to call it. They tore ours out here almost entirely in the 60s and 70s because they're "obsolete" but if there's no car traffic for them to impede I don't see what the problem is.
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the only reason they are obsolete is counterrevolutionary rules imposed on the people's transit by wreckers at all levels that forbid honest proletarians from installing carcatchers on the front and smashing through all cars whose drivers dare block progress (of the streetcar)
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Martian posted:Let me offer some happier reading. 
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https://nltimes.nl/2022/12/09/amsterdam-drop-city-speed-limit-30-kmh-80-roadwaysquote:Amsterdam to drop city speed limit to 30 km/h on 80% of roadways
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If there's a residential house on the street, the speed limit should be 12 mph max
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Real hurthling! posted:is an at grade tram a street car? I'm not sure if it's an official difference, but most of the new tram systems getting built have dedicated or mostly dedicated right of way for the trams. Exactly how segregated they are varies a lot (even on one route there might be a mix of RoW all to themselves, dedicated lane, shared with buses, mixed traffic junction) but the key thing is that the trams don't have to sit in car traffic.
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