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I guess that's unfair, they could be intrigued. Like the time Berman and Braga were describing the episode Minefield where a mine gets stuck on the hull of the ship to the studio execs in charge of Enterprise and the studio stopped, intrigued, to ask "what is a... hull?"
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Wasn't it so that the temporal war forced upon them by the executives as a storyline to allow exciting cameos from previous shows, and it materialized in ways such as [ scene missing ].
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It was basically that the studio was demanding another TNG sequel like Voyager and they inserted the temporal cold war to appease the studio into letting them do a prequel by going "this means it's a TNG sequel! Stuff from after TNG can happen!  ". They wanted to do a straight prequel, which is why the whole TCW was such low-effort.
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MikeJF posted:which is why the whole
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Yes, and way too many of the rest of the episodes in S1-S2 were basically either "a bridge officer is captured" or "the shuttle is stranded" or "Enterprise is taken over by X".
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MikeJF posted:I guess that's unfair, they could be intrigued. Like the time Berman and Braga were describing the episode Minefield where a mine gets stuck on the hull of the ship to the studio execs in charge of Enterprise and the studio stopped, intrigued, to ask "what is a... hull?" The exact studio exec in question at the time was Les "I love sexually assaulting all the pretty women who work for me" Moonves. And his #1 question whenever Rick Berman pitched him anything was "Why have I somehow not fired all of you people yet?" because he was quite famous for hating Star Trek and sci-fi on TV in general and tried to cancel Voyager multiple times at UPN only to be shot down by folks higher up the chain of command at Paramount who knew that killing Voyager meant killing UPN as well.
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Eh, I don't think they were regularly meeting that high up. Would've been one of his minions.
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Maybe he just liked dunking on Star Trek nerds.
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Astroman posted:Maybe he just liked dunking on Star Trek nerds. Who doesn't
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Les Moonves is a sex offender who hates Star Trek and people who like Star Trek. He is the ultimate Star Trek fan.
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Sounds more like a Star Trek mod than a Star Trek fan
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Doing a rewatch of DS9 and got to episode where Kai Winn shows up the school and its such a good loving scene. drat.
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I got to the Outcast and i want to quit this show forever. goddamn i'm not gonna be able to finish this, that hits way too close to home.
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Arivia posted:I got to the Outcast and i want to quit this show forever. goddamn i'm not gonna be able to finish this, that hits way too close to home.
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That's a good one. That ending hurt, though.
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I hope we'll somebody stop finding new reasons to go, "wow, that episode was ahead of its time"
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DoubleCakes posted:That's a good one. That ending hurt, though. That ending is what the Ontario government tried to do to me. I don’t want to see it succeed in a tv show.
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DoubleCakes posted:That's a good one. That ending hurt, though. LividLiquid posted:Yuuuuuuuuuuuuup.
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Arivia posted:That ending is what the Ontario government tried to do to me. I don’t want to see it succeed in a tv show. I think the worst part is the forced conformity. I'm cis-het so I'll get a lot of this wrong, but I kind of look it something like a trans "cure" should be something like a Cochlear implant for deaf people. That some people might want to take a "be adjusted to be comfortable in your own skin" treatment but others see as denying their essential right to be the person they choose to be. Everybody should get to choose. I'm concerned that as we gain more knowledge of genetics we'll start seeing potential parent decide to alter their children "for their own good." Why let a kid be trans or gay or black when life will be "better" if they're cis, straight and white?
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No to ALL of that. Absolutely not. We're not a disease to be cured. You don't "give people a choice" to do eugenics.
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Everyone posted:I think the worst part is the forced conformity. I'm cis-het so I'll get a lot of this wrong, but I kind of look it something like a trans "cure" should be something like a Cochlear implant for deaf people. That some people might want to take a "be adjusted to be comfortable in your own skin" treatment but others see as denying their essential right to be the person they choose to be. You summarised exactly why a cure would be horrific at the end of your post already, but also a cure in the sense you're describing would just be a fundamental personality transplant. If we're going to have outlandish sci-fi solutions it may as well be bespoke body redesign that let people live in whatever body they like than intensive mind-warping brainwashing from a ripped parable about toalitarianism and enforced conformity
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LividLiquid posted:No to ALL of that. Absolutely not. They're going to have that choice anyway, at least some of them. That's where this leads. The idea that wealth will mean that instead of just thinking they're better than other people, the rich will design themselves to be qualitatively, measurably "better."
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https://twitter.com/HumanoidHistory/status/1601486680401510400
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It was Humanoid History. It no longer exists because an anti-time anomaly stopped life from forming.
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Abducted by an Iowan.
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What if the probe was only just friends to those two whales all along and the reason the probe set out for Earth is because they were abducted and disappeared for a few hundred years? Ever think of that!
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:I had always wondered what effect Gillian going with Kirk meant for the timeline, and if it meant that they returned to a slightly different timeline than when they left. It's a closed loop timeline obviously. Her leaving is why all the whales died. She could of saved them... but alas.
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dr_rat posted:It's a closed loop timeline obviously. Her leaving is why all the whales died. She could of saved them... but alas. So when V'ger was seeking out the Creator, it was actually looking for Gillian 
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dr_rat posted:It's a closed loop timeline obviously. Her leaving is why all the whales died. She could of saved them... but alas. Meanwhile, the most rabid anti-peace folks descended from the crew of that whaling ship. We were the Klingons all along.
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nine-gear crow posted:They went out of their way to establish that she had no social life, romantic prospects, or close family members, so she was probably going to die a couple decades later having made basically no meaningful impact on the world. I watched Star Trek IV with a friend who hadn't seen it before and I decided to look up the Beta canon for fun. All rough copy paste and edits... "After being transported to 2286, Gillian became the inaugural patient of the Federation Department of Temporal Investigations' Temporal Displacement Division." "In late 2286, Taylor went with Kirk on a boat trip for a month while examining dolphins, and witnessed the birth of the whales' baby Harpo. Prior to the trip, she spoke with his crew about his many missions and how he was a "spectacular kisser." "In 2310, she headed an oceanographic study aboard the drift station Madrigal on the planet Pacifica. On her team was Harpo, the son of George and Gracie. Harpo made first contact with an underwater colonial civilization hiding on the ocean floor." And then the Mirror Universe Whales "In the mirror universe, the two whales brought back by the crew of the ISS Enterprise interacted with the alien probe and were transformed into huge armored leviathans who then traversed the tsunami-swept oceans, destroying entire coastal cities."
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MillennialVulcan posted:
That owns
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MillennialVulcan posted:"In the mirror universe, the two whales brought back by the crew of the ISS Enterprise interacted with the alien probe and were transformed into huge armored leviathans who then traversed the tsunami-swept oceans, destroying entire coastal cities." u ❤️ 2 c it
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