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| 🦋 |
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15 | 3.71% |
| 🦇 |
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115 | 28.47% |
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12 | 2.97% |
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67 | 16.58% |
| dragonfly |
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94 | 23.27% |
| 🦟 |
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14 | 3.47% |
| 🐝 |
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87 | 21.53% |
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Dec 18, 2022 19:08
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lmao
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Dec 18, 2022 19:08
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they're right but not for the reason they think
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Dec 18, 2022 19:11
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I thought they would have been fond of certain Argentines.
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Dec 18, 2022 19:14
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Slavvy posted:Saying they didn't take Kiev is disingenuous when it was clear that the whole exercise was as a threat ala Georgia and actually capturing it was never on the table to start with. I find it very doubtful that anyone involved seriously thought they could actually storm the city. its not clear at all that the russians thought they couldnt takr kyiv when they started the offensive. claiming this is disingenuous is ridiculous lol they had a lot of reasons to believe they could in fact -- they had seeded ukraine's government with sympathizers, the ukrainian military had been owned by russia before, the russian military had 8 years since then to gather combat experience in syria and build up its capability even more, they had overwhelming materiel superiority, zelensky was not that popular, biden was also unpopular, the west didnt seem united or likely to sacrifice its economy and defenses for ukraine on top of all this, what you claim requires that the russians were making a threat that they didnt believe they could carry out, and also thought everyone else knew they couldnt carry out. that would just be dumb as gently caress.
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Dec 18, 2022 19:24
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Lol pipe down
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Dec 18, 2022 19:30
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Best Friends posted:the nazis, who are only .0001% of the military, keep ending up on camera a good fraction of the time somehow They bought all the cameras just before the war. Clever move imo
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Dec 18, 2022 19:43
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lol
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Dec 18, 2022 19:55
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https://twitter.com/Ukraine/status/1604492740754083843 e: lmao someone already posted
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Dec 18, 2022 20:10
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OctaMurk posted:they had seeded ukraine's government with sympathizers lol Christ. We’re just supposed to let this pass without comment eh?
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Dec 18, 2022 20:14
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Frosted Flake posted:lol Christ. We’re just supposed to let this pass without comment eh? That ambulance was placed in kiev by the russians
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Dec 18, 2022 20:20
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Frosted Flake posted:lol Christ. We’re just supposed to let this pass without comment eh? lol
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Dec 18, 2022 20:26
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OctaMurk posted:its not clear at all that the russians thought they couldnt takr kyiv when they started the offensive. claiming this is disingenuous is ridiculous lol 
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Dec 18, 2022 20:37
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Frosted Flake posted:lol Christ. We’re just supposed to let this pass without comment eh? Sometimes it helps when you just don't read this stuff.
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Dec 18, 2022 21:07
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did Ukraine even offer any payment to go along with that message or were they expecting FIFA to do it for free?
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Dec 18, 2022 21:10
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CongoJack posted:did Ukraine even offer any payment to go along with that message or were they expecting FIFA to do it for free? lol
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Dec 18, 2022 21:15
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CongoJack posted:did Ukraine even offer any payment to go along with that message or were they expecting FIFA to do it for free? Ukraine doesn't pay for anything, it has paypigs for that.
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Dec 18, 2022 21:17
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DancingShade posted:Ukraine doesn't pay for anything, it has paypigs for that. bad metaphor as joey b may be paying the bills but is also clearly the findom in this scenario
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Dec 18, 2022 21:19
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https://twitter.com/Suriyakmaps/status/1604449577561645056?s=20&t=aI6jI-FShzXD2pojma8TcQ That would be here on a larger map. 
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Dec 18, 2022 21:34
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I don't understand how you can claim to understand the most basic tenants of military strategy and suggest the Russians were so stupid they though they could take the capital city with A Couple Thousand Guys. Whatever the gently caress they where doing over there it absolutely was not going to be a "roll into Kiev and start fighting street to street" as a strategy. That's actually ridiculous to suggest.
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Dec 18, 2022 21:35
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CongoJack posted:did Ukraine even offer any payment to go along with that message or were they expecting FIFA to do it for free? I don't usually call people out for their posts, but this is some ignorant poo poo. Of course Ukraine paid, if they didn't then it was just to get FIFA to reject the ad. The entire reason that FIFA exists is to grift and graft as much money as possible. Those people wouldn't even give a gently caress away.
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Dec 18, 2022 21:36
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GoLambo posted:I don't understand how you can claim to understand the most basic tenants of military strategy and suggest the Russians were so stupid they though they could take the capital city with A Couple Thousand Guys. Whatever the gently caress they where doing over there it absolutely was not going to be a "roll into Kiev and start fighting street to street" as a strategy. That's actually ridiculous to suggest. Most people do not understand military strategy let alone doctrine, operations. This has been the hardest thing for me to wrap my head around since this kicked off, as people insist on using the language of the profession of arms, sometimes very technically, to describe nonsense.
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Dec 18, 2022 21:50
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Zeroisanumber posted:I don't usually call people out for their posts, but this is some ignorant poo poo. Of course Ukraine paid, if they didn't then it was just to get FIFA to reject the ad. The entire reason that FIFA exists is to grift and graft as much money as possible. Those people wouldn't even give a gently caress away. yea man we all know what FIFA is about. Cool to call a post ignorant and then go on to admit you also have no idea whether Ukraine was going to pay for their spot.
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Dec 18, 2022 21:50
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CongoJack posted:yea man we all know what FIFA is about. Cool to call a post ignorant and then go on to admit you also have no idea whether Ukraine was going to pay for their spot. lol
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Dec 18, 2022 21:50
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Before, people who weren’t interested in military affairs didn’t use the language of it. Now, it’s a whole thing of libs claiming expertise while rattling off garbage.
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Dec 18, 2022 21:52
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bruv, look at the munition dumps the russians are using! and no broken arrow air support?
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Dec 18, 2022 21:54
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Frosted Flake posted:Most people do not understand military strategy let alone doctrine, operations. This has been the hardest thing for me to wrap my head around 
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Dec 18, 2022 21:55
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Dec 18, 2022 21:55
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a jaded professional is no match for an amateur with cum-for-brains.
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Dec 18, 2022 21:56
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A professional who assumes without evidence that Russia will do awesome doctrinal maneuvers and strategy, desperately discarding any evidence to the contrary, is going to be some garbage in garbage out analysis. Even if they sometimes happen to use doctrinal terms correctly, if it suits their point at that time. When needed, can discard the terms or misrepresent their meaning and say it’s so the proles understand.
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Dec 18, 2022 21:59
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GoLambo posted:I don't understand how you can claim to understand the most basic tenants of military strategy and suggest the Russians were so stupid they though they could take the capital city with A Couple Thousand Guys. Whatever the gently caress they where doing over there it absolutely was not going to be a "roll into Kiev and start fighting street to street" as a strategy. That's actually ridiculous to suggest. They thought they were going to just roll in and take it over because the Ukrainians would give up. That plan obviously did not work If that was not the plan, then what was the plan? They would sit outside Kiev without the troops to take it or the will to blow it up until . . . what? Either they intended to take Kiev and it didnt work because they had bad assumptions, or they were going to "threaten" Kiev into surrendering without the troops or the will to make good on any threat, which is actually ridiculous.
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Dec 18, 2022 22:01
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Who blew up the pipeline tho.
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Dec 18, 2022 22:01
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Yeah, and Ukraine is not an independent power here, and while I think Zelensky was well-intentioned (for a politician at least) when he was initially elected it was clear who he wasn't going to be able to independently direct the affairs of the country, this hasn't gotten better after the war has started. Ukraine is now completely dependent on the West, and particularly the US, and they wouldn't be able to conduct any serious operations without the aid that has been flowing in. They would simply lose to the Russians otherwise. And, to be clear, the Ukrainians haven't just been getting some tanks and helmets, but combat helicopters, fighters, and AD systems. They also don't have the ability to independently produce arms besides some very "Mad Max" technicals. In addition, there would be nothing else supporting their economy at this point as economic activity almost certainly is bottoming out and they are living off handouts and printing presses.
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Dec 18, 2022 22:02
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OctaMurk posted:They thought they were going to just roll in and take it over because the Ukrainians would give up. That plan obviously did not work lmfao these people are truly delusional, literally no way of approaching any kind of material analysis or thought in the world
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Dec 18, 2022 22:02
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mlmp08 posted:A professional who assumes without evidence that Russia will do awesome doctrinal maneuvers and strategy, desperately discarding any evidence to the contrary, is going to be some garbage in garbage out analysis. Even if they sometimes happen to use doctrinal terms correctly, if it suits their point at that time. When needed, can discard the terms or misrepresent their meaning and say it’s so the proles understand. cringe
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Dec 18, 2022 22:02
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Frosted Flake posted:Before, people who weren’t interested in military affairs didn’t use the language of it. Now, it’s a whole thing of libs claiming expertise while rattling off garbage. I think we're all guilty of trying to keep up with the ideas and terminology we're confronted with, often in a way we're out of our depth, and this is normal and fine. Lord knows I was this stupid 15 years ago about the same topic and that didn't shut me up about it. But come on, we're all in our 30s now and you have to assume that the land army descended from that "quantity has a quality all its own" quote would not be considering something beyond even a rookie mistake, whatever kind of insane fantasy boxing guys 1 to 100 because you are just that good or something would be.
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Dec 18, 2022 22:03
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Frosted Flake posted:Before, people who weren’t interested in military affairs didn’t use the language of it. Now, it’s a whole thing of libs claiming expertise while rattling off garbage. smh posting from ur cope cage
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Dec 18, 2022 22:06
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OctaMurk posted:They thought they were going to just roll in and take it over because the Ukrainians would give up. That plan obviously did not work It's still not as stupid as suggesting they would fight block to block outnumbered 100 to 1. It can be some other kind of stupid, like expecting the shock to begin negotiations, but it absolutely isn't the poo poo you're trying to sell. Why don't you try a better guess then, instead of this obviously ridiculous one? There are plenty of bad, even terrible ideas they could have had about this, but that one is out of the question. It wasn't on the table.
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Dec 18, 2022 22:07
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PiratePrentice posted:lmfao What's your analysis?
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Dec 18, 2022 22:08
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Zeroisanumber posted:What's your analysis? They rolled up to Kyiv expecting the government to surrender, Russia didn't think Ukraine was stupid and evil enough to throw three entire generations of men into a meat grinder for no gain other than the destruction of their entire country. They were. That's the analysis. e: that is to say that "taking over Kyiv" was never the point, the point was to get the ukrainian government to surrender and install a Russian puppet instead.
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Dec 18, 2022 22:10
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