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Judgy Fucker posted:Surely Trump could get one rigged up at mar-a-lago, what's the hold up? That's literally the most surprising part of this to me. They can't make another one?! I suppose "can't" might be in giant air quotes...
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:- Trump has tried to get every government agency - from the GSA and National Archives to the Secret Service - to pay rent or fund the costs of Mar-a-Lago as an active "Office of the ex-President" because of the Oval Office recreation/workspace he created there.
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Solkanar512 posted:So I think it’s fair to say that he’s not actually running for President, because he’s literally doing none of the work any other candidate would be doing. This is honestly kind of a good test to see how much campaigning is actually necessary.
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Solkanar512 posted:So I think it’s fair to say that he’s not actually running for President, because he’s literally doing none of the work any other candidate would be doing. I can think of at least 3 reasons why he would think what he's doing counts as running. 1) He expects to get in from pure Republican inertia. The party at large still loved him as of a few weeks ago, with DeSantis being the only real contender. 2) He doesn't think he needs to start campaigning yet, and just got the 3) He still believes that he's the president, and ANY DAY NOW the election is going to be overturned and he will ascend to resume his rightful place as
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Seems self-explanatory: No electrician will work for him without payment in advance; he won’t pay in advance.
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Paracaidas posted:There was an SNL/West Wing sketch? There is a season 5 episode about the Reagan expy who missed being President and thought Bartlett hated him, Bartlet and his wife go to Replica Oval there.
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Randalor posted:I can think of at least 3 reasons why he would think what he's doing counts as running. I frankly don't give a poo poo what he thinks.
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Solkanar512 posted:So I think it’s fair to say that he’s not actually running for President, because he’s literally doing none of the work any other candidate would be doing. There's not a lot someone like him needs to do right now. Visiting early states to get his name out there isn't needed. All he really needs to do is raise money. It's still very early. We all know he declared early because he thought it would prevent him from being investigated / indicted. Though, I think he'll pull out if he thinks he'll lose the nomination.
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BDawg posted:There's not a lot someone like him needs to do right now. Visiting early states to get his name out there isn't needed. All he really needs to do is raise money. It's still very early. He at the very least needs permanent staff.
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Solkanar512 posted:He at the very least needs permanent staff. We should all have learned to make confident predictions about what it takes to win the presidency after the constant drumbeat that Trump couldn’t win in 2016 and then Biden winning after running a shoestring campaign that barely got its pants zipped up before SC. I am no longer a betting man.
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Epic Games has to pay over half a billion dollars (roughly a quarter billion of which has to be distributed to customers who made purchases from them) for tracking children's data and designing their in-game Fortnite store to trick people into making unintended purchases. The in-game Fortnite store registered over $200 million in unintended purchases from a design that allowed one-button purchases and could trigger when trying to wake the game from sleep mode, while the game was in a loading screen, or by pressing a nearby button when simply trying to preview an item. Part of it is a $275 million penalty for collecting user data from children under 13 without warning them or their parents. It is the largest fine ever issued by the FTC for breaking a privacy rule. https://twitter.com/AP/status/1604857880242438144 quote:Video game company Epic Games will pay a total of $520 million in penalties and refunds to settle complaints involving children’s privacy and methods that tricked players into making purchases, U.S. federal regulators said Monday.
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For comparison, Fortnite makes like $4 billion a year. $500 million is something like 2.5 percent of their total profits.
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I am glad that corporations can continue to make money by breaking laws and are punished by simply forcing them give back a fraction of the profits they made by breaking laws. Sure sounds totally reasonable and not dystopian.
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Clarste posted:I am glad that corporations can continue to make money by breaking laws and are punished by simply forcing them give back a fraction of the profits they made by breaking laws. Sure sounds totally reasonable and not dystopian. In this instance, they had to give back all the money they made during that time period + 90% extra in penalties. They made approximately $275 million in unauthorized purchases and are paying $520 million.
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Yeah but then you also have to consider all the times they don't get caught so it works out to be reasonable risk for them to take that won't sting much even if it fails.
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Like imagine if the punishment for burglary was to just give back what they took and pay for the broken window.
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Clarste posted:Like imagine if the punishment for burglary was to just give back what they took and pay for the broken window. Isn't this what the punishment should be? How do we calculate some amount of "crimes we assume you committed?" We saw Jean Valjean stealing a loaf of bread, but we assume he's done that ten times before, so he should be in jail for fifty- five years. Do you see an issue with this policy?
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Clarste posted:Like imagine if the punishment for burglary was to just give back what they took and pay for the broken window.
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Clarste posted:Yeah but then you also have to consider all the times they don't get caught so it works out to be reasonable risk for them to take that won't sting much even if it fails. All the times they didn't get caught doing what? The thing they got in trouble for wasn't making Fortnite in general. Clarste posted:Like imagine if the punishment for burglary was to just give back what they took and pay for the broken window. Like imagine if we were talking about a crime instead of a voluntary settlement of a regulatory complaint.
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Clarste posted:Yeah but then you also have to consider all the times they don't get caught so it works out to be reasonable risk for them to take that won't sting much even if it fails. your complaint was they have to pay "a fraction of the profits they made by breaking laws" here, they have paid double that, which solves your complaint. if you want to take into account all the other times they don't get caught (i mean they're a video game company, how much lawbreaking do you think they're doing) what are the things you think they're getting away with
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The penalty for burglary should be you have to eat everything you stole.
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It's the largest such fine ever, and one of many indications the FTC under this administration is being unusually muscular. A really strange choice for futility rhetoric.
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evilweasel posted:what are the things you think they're getting away with  No ethical consumption under
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Push El Burrito posted:The penalty for burglary should be you have to eat everything you stole. drat, teaches me right for breaking into the dildo shop...
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Fell Fire posted:Isn't this what the punishment should be? That is what it should be. Unfortunately, that's the treatment that the rich get while the rest of us plebes get prison or worse. Discendo Vox posted:It's the largest such fine ever, and one of many indications the FTC under this administration is being unusually muscular. A really strange choice for futility rhetoric. "Largest fine ever" and "still not enough" are not exclusive concepts.
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Paracaidas posted:There was an SNL/West Wing sketch? The greatest scam ever pulled was convincing the public that Al Gore was boring. I won't claim he was good, but whenever I see him he's funny.
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Data Graham posted:The conversation has moved on but I'd like to say something as one of those computer touchers who has a stake of some kind in having predicted Twitter's collapse by now. As a fellow computer toucher, I deleted my Twitter account both out of solidarity with the Twitter workers, and out of pure self-interest. Tech workers are some of the only workers who are still treated decently, often making enough money to live comfortably and given nice working conditions. This drives the managerial class crazy, and they (and apparently some misguided leftists) are eagerly waiting to see if they can get away with slashing jobs, pay, and benefits to put the tech workers in their place, and do so without jeopardizing the company. Every tech worker should be doing everything they can to help push twitter into failure in order to show the bosses that they still need the workers. This, plus the round of layoffs across tech, has convinced me to finally join my tech company's employee union, as well.
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Fell Fire posted:Isn't this what the punishment should be?
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Reminder that crimes are for the little people. The biggest form of theft is wage theft and that's not even a crime. When corporations do bad it's just an "oopsie" or regulatory concern and god help you if you don't have a lawyer available to force them to pay for robbing you.
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Sir Lemming posted:That's literally the most surprising part of this to me. They can't make another one?! no one working for trump wants to be the gofer, conversely no one working at mar a lago for whatever pittance they pay wants to deal with it either and there's no way trump is hiring someone to actually be on that duty full time
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Jaxyon posted:Reminder that crimes are for the little people. Wage theft is a crime and people do get punished when they get caught. The thing that makes wage theft so big is that most employees don't know their rights or don't want to report/fight over it. That's why every big number when they calculate wage theft is just a wide estimate since the vast majority goes unreported.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Wage theft is a crime and people do get punished when they get caught. The thing that makes wage theft so big is that most employees don't know their rights or don't want to report/fight over it. That's why every big number when they calculate wage theft is just a wide estimate since the vast majority goes unreported. I'm wrong, it is a crime, but it's rarely prosecuted and I don't know of anyone who goes to jail, as I certainly would if stole similar amounts.
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Raskin laying down the criminal referrals gently caress yeah
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Fell Fire posted:We saw Jean Valjean stealing a loaf of bread, but we assume he's done that ten times before, so he should be in jail for fifty- five years. Do you see an issue with this policy? I do. Your math is incorrect. “Five years for what you did” x11 “The rest because you tried to run” = “19 years a slave of the law” - 5 = 14 So 5x11+14 = 69 years (nice)
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Kloaked00 posted:I do. Your math is incorrect. Yes, 2-4-6-0-1
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Data Graham posted:The conversation has moved on but I'd like to say something as one of those computer touchers who has a stake of some kind in having predicted Twitter's collapse by now. Going back to what I was on about before, saying it isn't experiencing a collapse usually means that the criteria for certified collapse is something like "immediate cessation of function" like you visit the website and it's got a picture of a sad bird with a sorry, we're having difficulties message or something. But outages are just a piece of the picture. We're pretty likely to have some exposes on twitter come out in the future which will certify that musk has already imploded the revenue generation systems of twitter that enable its sustained function his subsequent cashouts of billions of tesla stock will probably turn out to be him shelving out massive quantities of his own wealth to stay current on payments if musk already did the thing which terminally impacted the company's function (alienating the income base of advertisers and causing an existential revenue exodus) then the collapse has already happened. at that point musk can point out any bullshit metrics for success he wants and it's the same as being the captain of the titanic and saying "sinking? ha! an entire half of the boat has never been higher"
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Totally normal thing that we still have no explanation for why it happens only in the U.S. The U.S. now accounts for 97% of all child death by firearms in the top 40 wealthiest countries. https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1604560214333816832 quote:A portrait of an American tragedy. The NYT also did a series of longer profiles on some of the kids killed by gun violence in the last year in the U.S. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/12/14/magazine/gun-violence-america-child-deaths.html Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Dec 19, 2022 |
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VikingofRock posted:As a fellow computer toucher, I deleted my Twitter account both out of solidarity with the Twitter workers, and out of pure self-interest. Tech workers are some of the only workers who are still treated decently, often making enough money to live comfortably and given nice working conditions. This drives the managerial class crazy, and they (and apparently some misguided leftists) are eagerly waiting to see if they can get away with slashing jobs, pay, and benefits to put the tech workers in their place, and do so without jeopardizing the company. Every tech worker should be doing everything they can to help push twitter into failure in order to show the bosses that they still need the workers. Yeah seriously. I feel like a hack and a fraud because I'm making good money while people are struggling, and to bleat about how much I want Twitter to implode in order to save my own sorry skin feels like the bougiest poo poo short of taking up butterfly-netting. I should be the first under the guillotines, I'll freely admit. But having society take the lesson home that "actually we don't need skilled labor" and to live even more on the uninsured ragged edge of instant gratification and no long-term investment or planning — that's the solid opposite of what we want to be teaching a society to do. It's a perfect recipe for collapse as soon as the last wave of profit-taking grifters have run for the hills, and they'll survive while the rest of the world burns. I want to keep the ladder down, even if I'm volunteering to be crab-crawled at the edge of the bucket. e: for the record I'm watching the top dogs at my company passing this video around on slack and telling each other that Twitter should burn along with all the kombucha swilling yoga-practicing airheads in it, and "this can't be a joke, it sure looks real to me" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkQbHyLE6Tc Data Graham fucked around with this message at 20:47 on Dec 19, 2022 |
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...I'm going to take away from this "cars got so much safer" because I feel like I can influence car safety more than outlawing guns at this point.
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Jaxyon posted:I'm wrong, it is a crime, but it's rarely prosecuted and I don't know of anyone who goes to jail, as I certainly would if stole similar amounts. it's not rarely prosecuted or (or rarely enforced more strictly speaking) whatsoever, the scale of it is just huge Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 20:52 on Dec 19, 2022 |
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