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Loucks posted:Wow, that’s crazy. Got a source for this? https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/russian-comms-ukraine-world-hertz I can't find the original source on Twitter that went into the specifics by disassembling one of the radios and identifying the parts. This article does support the broader claim that they're using reassembled Chinese radios.
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fatherboxx posted:Everyone's second favorite crybaby and prolific tankie Poster turned artillery operator Murz dropped a banger outlining continuing troubles of Russian army I read through the entirety of that monologue. Regarding the cabled communications, the author's issue is not about the cable technology itself so much as the cables are arranged in temporary setups with little burial. The concern is that the cables would be severed by artillery early on in an attack. The one concern he also brought up that hasn't been mentioned yet is that RUF won't have enough camouflage for their artillery pieces when it snows. It's a very bad situation when Ukraine is performing constant drone reconnaissance and identify valuable equipment. I hadn't heard of this issue before and am astonished at how bad that could be for their ability to initiate an offensive.
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Morrow posted:https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/russian-comms-ukraine-world-hertz I’d be interested in seeing those sources you can’t find. I don’t fully understand what work “reassembled” is doing in your follow-up claim. Are you alleging some sort of modification but refusing to be specific? The most relevant language at your link seems to be this: quote:One of the most striking images from Russia’s war in Ukraine so far has been the photograph of a civilian handheld radio. Although impossible to confirm, sources on social media said this radio had been captured by Ukrainian troops. Further inquiry hinted that the radio in question, a BaoFeng UV-82HP, had been purchased from suppliers in the People’s Republic of China. The radio uses V/UHF wavebands and lacks military-grade encryption. Why it was reportedly in the possession of Russian troops is unknown. But that’s entirely based on a single, admittedly unconfirmed photograph which doesn’t show what you initially described: https://twitter.com/mil_in_ua/status/1497961913292001283 The radio pictured appears to be a normal Baofeng UV-82HP handheld radio:  The photo doesn’t show evidence of a “reassembled Chinese radio,” and it certainly isn’t evidence that Russia is “buying commercial Chinese radios and putting them in a new plastic case” given that the photo shows an apparently unmodified current production radio anyone could buy. Additionally, even if we accept that the radio was in the hands of a Russian soldier at some point one unconfirmed photograph does not prove that Russian troops are issued these radios. There doesn’t appear to be any reason to conclude that either your original or your follow-up claim is true. Feel free to point out relevant bits of your linked article or provide the lost Twitter posts alluded to above, but what you’ve offered here is not convincing. Wild ideas about repackaging cheap handhelds notwithstanding, I would not be at all surprised if commercial radios made their way to the front lines because you absolutely cannot trust troops of any nation not to do the stupidest thing possible, and a troop buying a pile of Baofengs to solve a comms problem is exactly the sort of thing that should surprise no one.
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Loucks posted:Wow, that’s crazy. Got a source for this? IIRC, that was fake news because there's cases made for cosplayers that make cheap Chinese radios look like fancy Russian ones. Russian soldiers definitely got the cheap Chinese radios, but not the cosplay cases.
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Loucks posted:Are you alleging some sort of modification but refusing to be specific? Have you considered looking it up yourself instead of simply accusing someone of posting in bad faith? Throughout this year, there have been a few claims made that some Russian soldiers had fake Azart R-187P1 casings, either hollow or with some cheap Aliexpress walkie-talkie inside. At least some of them fake, e.g., the blue-background video popular on Reddit a few months ago, which is from an airsoft supplies store page.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Have you considered looking it up yourself instead of simply accusing someone of posting in bad faith? Being told to do my own research as an alternative to asking for evidence when someone makes a specific, odd-sounding claim is baffling. Why should I have to do research to verify Morrow’s claim, especially given that the article they provided didn’t say what they thought it said? Are we not expected to be able to back up our claims? Is asking for evidence forbidden in this thread? What differentiates my request for evidence from those others have made? Perhaps more importantly, what part of my post was an accusation of bad faith? They made a claim, I asked for a source, they supplied a source, and I found it didn’t support the claim. This is textbook debate, and at no time did I ever accuse them of bad faith. Saying that the source doesn’t support their argument isn’t an accusation of bad faith unless I claim that they intentionally offered a bad source, and I neither said than nor believe it. Your decision to omit the sentence preceding the one you quoted stripped the context that I genuinely do not understand what “reassembled Chinese radios” means here, since the radio in the photograph doesn’t show any signs of modification. A strict reading of “reassembled” includes no modification, only reassembly from a disassembled state which seems entirely pointless. I did make an effort to contribute and accused no one of bad faith. A mod leveling this accusation reads as a threat. Was that your intent? If you don’t want me, specifically, to participate you can say so. I’d rather not post in a given subforum than deal with arbitrarily hostile moderators.
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If plan to deliberately antagonise everyone you interact with in this thread, like you’ve done tonight, it may very well be for the best for you to refrain from posting here.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:If plan to deliberately antagonise everyone you interact with in this thread, like you’ve done tonight, it may very well be for the best for you to refrain from posting here. I’ve made three posts in this thread tonight not including this one. I asked a question, then I read another poster’s article and posted my analysis. Then I responded to you insisting without known reason that I was accusing Morrow of posting in bad faith. I’m not trying to antagonize anyone; I’m trying to participate in the thread. Do you feel antagonized by me pointing out that Morrow’s source was bad? By me questioning your reading of my post and asking you to clarify it? I’m aware that “just asking questions” is a thing, but that doesn’t mean having questions is an attempt to “deliberately antagonize” anyone. You keep throwing out these apparently baseless accusations, and I genuinely don’t understand what your problem with me is. You claim I accused Morrow of posting in bad faith, a thing I absolutely did not do, and now you’re accusing me of posting in bad faith despite my actual and verifiable efforts to post substantively. I don’t know what you want from me here. Are you going to explain how my post was an accusation of bad faith or respond to any of my other questions? I’m genuinely confused by the way you’re behaving. If you plan not to communicate but instead hide behind your buttons and probe me for some imagined infraction the way your previous posts seem to imply (“bad faith,” “deliberately antagonizing”) I can’t stop you, but the only reason I’m making this post is because you singled me out as posting badly but refuse to provide any explanation at all as to what I’m doing wrong.
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RockWhisperer posted:I read through the entirety of that monologue. Regarding the cabled communications, the author's issue is not about the cable technology itself so much as the cables are arranged in temporary setups with little burial. The concern is that the cables would be severed by artillery early on in an attack. I do wonder how much experience the author has with the main Russian army and how much he has with the armies of the LPR, which are known to be really under supplied. Some things I would assume don't carry over to the main Russian forces, whereas stuff like having no secure radios would make perfect sense for the separatist militias (who obviously wouldn't be given poo poo because of corruption).
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Loucks posted:Are you going to explain how my post was an accusation of bad faith or respond to any of my other questions? I’m genuinely confused by the way you’re behaving. If you plan not to communicate but instead hide behind your buttons and probe me for some imagined infraction the way your previous posts seem to imply (“bad faith,” “deliberately antagonizing”) I can’t stop you, but the only reason I’m making this post is because you singled me out as posting badly but refuse to provide any explanation at all as to what I’m doing wrong. Have some shame, please. Your opener was passive-aggressive, and the first use you made of it was to accuse Morrow of deliberately withholding information they explicitly admit not remembering precisely. The remaining two posts are unimaginative sealioning. Don't post in this thread with this tone again.
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Loucks posted:I’d be interested in seeing those sources you can’t find. I don’t fully understand what work “reassembled” is doing in your follow-up claim. Are you alleging some sort of modification but refusing to be specific? https://twitter.com/CaptainBlackSe1/status/1567856756373454851 That was the video making the rounds in the old thread before it got debunked.
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WarpedLichen posted:https://twitter.com/CaptainBlackSe1/status/1567856756373454851 Yeah, here's the original video, from guy 3D printing them for airsoft players and tactilol larpers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6d_j-O2I3g
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WarpedLichen posted:https://twitter.com/CaptainBlackSe1/status/1567856756373454851 Thank you. I was sure someone had this, which is why I said I wanted to see it.
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Multiple sources saying Zelensky made an unannounced visit to Bakhmut this morning, about 85km north of Donetsk city https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1605155527922704385 https://twitter.com/olex_scherba/status/1605148530317955072 https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1605152138186952705 https://twitter.com/LlopisMarta95/status/1605157524654755840 https://twitter.com/pravda_eng/status/1605156510467858433 e: for added context this comes on Russia's Security Services Day on which Putin addressed the "extremely difficult" situation in the illegally annexed regions https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...f0816e812ef3671 Doccykins fucked around with this message at 12:13 on Dec 20, 2022 |
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Thanks to everybody who responded to my cable question. I was under the impression that encrypted mobile comms would be standard, and cables only as a redundancy option / plan B option, but I guess it has benefits. Do militaries still fax things? Considering tge fact that those are even harder to intercept than cable telephony?
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Deltasquid posted:Thanks to everybody who responded to my cable question. I was under the impression that encrypted mobile comms would be standard, and cables only as a redundancy option / plan B option, but I guess it has benefits. I don't believe so. Fax is secure mostly because it's obscure. The second part of the interview with the British volunteer from the Ukraine Foreign Legion got posted. It's quite good if you're interested in the practicalities of being a soldier in the field. Some :nsfw: language (depending on where you work) but nothing else inappropriate. https://youtu.be/DANTP2n8x3c
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Deltasquid posted:Thanks to everybody who responded to my cable question. I was under the impression that encrypted mobile comms would be standard, and cables only as a redundancy option / plan B option, but I guess it has benefits. There are military fax machines with encryption, yes. But normal consumer fax is mostly unencrypted and readable to everyone and everything(which is why the entire German bureaucracy still runs on fax). It's a measure to keep government, healthcare, etc. honest and transparent by making everyone's correspondence with the state publicly readable
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WarpedLichen posted:https://twitter.com/CaptainBlackSe1/status/1567856756373454851 This isn't the one I was remembering, it was some technical guy going through and saying "yeah so this part is Chinese and doesn't actually do what it advertises." Here's a pre-war Russian language article confirming that the procurers responsible were being investigated for just buying Chinese radios, adding some parts, and pocketing the difference. quote:According to him, this could be due to the fact that during the period of interest to the investigation, radio stations were actually purchased in finished form in China, and with the addition of some components they were assembled in Russia, which made it possible to significantly save on production. It should be noted that several other defendants adhere to the same version, including allegedly the former director of the Yaroslavl plant, Sergei Yakushev, who is accused of giving a bribe. https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/4712794 Apparently the truth is worse than what I'm alleging, because that's the defence they're using.
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‘We were allowed to be slaughtered’: calls by Russian forces intercepted Contains some recordings of purported intercepted calls home from very unhappy mobiks
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Scratch Monkey posted:‘We were allowed to be slaughtered’: calls by Russian forces intercepted This guy posts translations of intercepted calls pretty regularly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaXtgC_pN2s Have to assume they’re all carefully released by Ukraine for propaganda purposes. But still pretty interesting and often very stark. Separately, I might have missed it, but didn’t see the new Perun video posted. Essential viewing like always: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fqHERDXVpk
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Chalks posted:This is a guy who knows exactly what his role is in this conflict and does it extremely well Least surprising Time person of the year probably in my lifetime, that's for sure.
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Moon Slayer posted:Least surprising Time person of the year probably in my lifetime, that's for sure. Also the first one in decades that doesn't feel forced or stupid or pandering.
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According to AFP there was maintenance going when the fire started, three people are reported dead. As the pipe goes through Ukraine it doesn't help the situation there, but then Russia can easily sabotage its own pipes without killing people in the process so it may be just an accident.
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https://yle.fi/a/74-20009699 Masked men threw sledgehammers over the fence of Finland's embassy in Moscow. According to Telegram channel 'Oper pishet' the act was a response to provocations against Russian embassy and consulate. The sledgehammer has become a symbol of Wagner. Free sledgehammers, nice! 
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Chalks posted:https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1605182554700918784 This is incredibly awesome, but a shame that twitter pixelates the picture when you open it up. It takes balls of steel for Zelenskyy to visit Bakhmut. Explosions going off while he's talking and he doesn't even flinch. Incredible.
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Chalks posted:https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1605182554700918784 Visiting Kherson like a day after liberation was crazy brave, they were still clearing houses. Dude visits the one place Russia is pushing all of it's might against for months. They've been holding but in theory a breakout through the lines can happen any time. Time person of the year hasn't been this well earned in decades. It was good of them to make it a joint thing, though I would added "people of Ukraine" rather than "spirit of Ukraine" but close enough. I imagine the forces there, especially the more experienced ones who have probably been there since the start really needed the morale boost. The holidays are starting away from their families, they're stuck in the freezing cold getting shelled constantly and there's been no end to their plight for months.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Also the first one in decades that doesn't feel forced or stupid or pandering. Yep, dude really stepped up to the challenge of keeping his country together through war, and he keeps stepping up.
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sniper4625 posted:https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1605314743551627265 This being public seems dangerous... Coming up: trip cancelled since US not considered secure enough due to leaking too much.
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OddObserver posted:This being public seems dangerous... Coming up: trip cancelled since US not considered secure enough due to leaking too much. I don't know if it makes much of a difference. Zelensky will most likely travel by land over into Poland then take a flight to the US. So unless the Russians want to fly over NATO territory to shoot down the passenger jet carrying Zelensky then I don't think there's much danger. And with Zelensky out of the country what are the Russians going to do? Invade harder?
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Something useful to come from all this: Artifacts were discovered in the Kherson region during the construction of fortifications quote:During the construction of fortifications on the banks of the Dnieper in the Kherson region, border guards discovered the remains of an ancient Roman settlement. 
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Leaving the country for any reason just seems like a bad idea. What’s the upside? It makes him look good in front of the US, sure, but that partnership wasn’t particularly at risk. It may be in the future once (if?) the R House manages to organize itself - but by that point his visit will too long in the past to matter. Even if nothing untoward happens security-wise with the trip itself, if RU manages to find any tactical successes while he’s out of the country then it looks bad for both Zelenskyy and Ukraine. However strong his support is domestically, it’s still a nation under incredible and long-lasting pressure, it’s general public enduring terrible conditions in many places. Even a hint of him appearing to not care or not come through for his people could do significant damage.
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Coldbird posted:Leaving the country for any reason just seems like a bad idea. What’s the upside? It makes him look good in front of the US, sure, but that partnership wasn’t particularly at risk. It may be in the future once (if?) the R House manages to organize itself - but by that point his visit will too long in the past to matter. A big part of his job is in lobbying foreign governments, such as the US, for more resources. No one in Ukraine is going to mistake this trip for him abandoning the country, that's very silly.
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