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Ok I'm back and hopefully in condition when I can follow some news again.OddObserver posted:So this is a little weird: Patriots is great news. They do have a bunch of options for missiles and even if they're all more expensive than the lovely Iranian drones, they're cheaper than rebuilding powerplants every other day. 
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Moon Slayer posted:
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Dec 21, 2022 17:15
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Last one, with the brief clip of it repositioning.
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Dec 21, 2022 17:23
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Dec 21, 2022 17:24
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mobby_6kl posted:Ahh loving finally. Maybe the important part of the JDAM announcement is the implication? I.e. it's JDAM... and F-16s from which to drop them. Bold prediction: It will not be from F-16s anytime in 2023. The singular patriot battery reads like a proof of concept to see how training and maintenance goes before committing to more.
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Moon Slayer posted:twitter /visegrad24/status/1605257387849424905 watch the speech, don't give fuckers from v24 clicks https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1605237743885459456
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Dec 21, 2022 18:02
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Moon Slayer posted:Last one, with the brief clip of it repositioning. It's a T-72 variant of some kind with ERA blocks and anti-RPG cages on the rear side panels.
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Dec 21, 2022 18:29
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This made me laugh a lot more than it should have. :: Hundreds of pages of specific discussion about very niche variations of all matter of military vehicles and equipment :: "Whats this one?" "Tank"
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https://twitter.com/PhilipWegmann/status/1605621711478497280Ynglaur posted:It's a T-72 variant of some kind with ERA blocks and anti-RPG cages on the rear side panels. Thanks! cr0y posted:This made me laugh a lot more than it should have. 
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Dec 21, 2022 18:52
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Can we give Ukraine abrams yet? At some point it starts to feel like spending Ukrainian lives to satisfy some abstract metaphysical scruple in the minds of a couple dozen old men thousands of miles away.
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Magic Underwear posted:Can we give Ukraine abrams yet? At some point it starts to feel like spending Ukrainian lives to satisfy some abstract metaphysical scruple in the minds of a couple dozen old men thousands of miles away. Sure just dump 'em over there and tell em to go hog wild.
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Anne Frank Funk posted:watch the speech, don't give fuckers from v24 clicks I noticed that he doesn’t salute his soldiers back. Is that normal?
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Dec 21, 2022 19:45
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Magic Underwear posted:Can we give Ukraine abrams yet? At some point it starts to feel like spending Ukrainian lives to satisfy some abstract metaphysical scruple in the minds of a couple dozen old men thousands of miles away. I think the issue with most of the flash things like f16s and abrams is none of the ukrainian military is trained on them nor has the logistics set up to maintain them
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Dec 21, 2022 19:55
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Boris Galerkin posted:I noticed that he doesn’t salute his soldiers back. Is that normal? Yes. Do you not remember the fifteen billion words typed about Barack Obama not saluting boot marines on umbrella duty? Superiors saluting inferiors is a special thing, rarely done.
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Dec 21, 2022 20:00
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Boris Galerkin posted:I noticed that he doesn’t salute his soldiers back. Is that normal? I assume it's because he's not a soldier himself? Maybe?
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Dec 21, 2022 20:00
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OddObserver posted:
In theory the Patriots could shoot down Russian aircraft, giving Ukrainian planes room to fire JDAMs.
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Dec 21, 2022 20:02
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FishBulbia posted:I think the issue with most of the flash things like f16s and abrams is none of the ukrainian military is trained on them nor has the logistics set up to maintain them It's also the fact both are not magic super weapons and no one has really posted any convincing evidence that either will be impactful enough to warrant overcoming the above mentioned challenges. But they are both "sexy" things in the public imagining so it's what people keep pointing to because things like artillery, ammunition and other logistic stuff is "boring".
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Dec 21, 2022 20:05
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https://twitter.com/mj_lee/status/1605640621217222679 https://twitter.com/Jordanfabian/status/1605640739777613825 Moon Slayer fucked around with this message at 20:09 on Dec 21, 2022 |
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Dec 21, 2022 20:06
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The X-man cometh posted:In theory the Patriots could shoot down Russian aircraft, giving Ukrainian planes room to fire JDAMs. The thing limiting both the Russians and Ukrainans from operating airplanes as they please is mostly the presence of ground based anti-aircraft defenses, not the presence of other airplanes. Waving a magic wand and erasing the VVS and AVMF's airplanes would certainly help the Ukranians operate more freely, but it would still not be anywhere near a permissive environment and they would take substantial losses from ground based anti-aircraft defenses.
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Also, one Patriot battery (or 20 of them) wouldn’t just neutralize the Russian air component.
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Dec 21, 2022 20:11
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Yes. Do you not remember the fifteen billion words typed about Barack Obama not saluting boot marines on umbrella duty? Superiors saluting inferiors is a special thing, rarely done. Superiors returning salutes is done 100% of the time. Superiors initiating the salute is done in special cases. The Obama bullshit was because he returned a salute while holding a cup in the other hand or something.
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Dec 21, 2022 20:11
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Yeah, it was a cup of coffee and OMAGAWD THE DISRESPECT In Zelensky's case, I imagine it's this. THE BAR posted:I assume it's because he's not a soldier himself? Maybe? He's tried very hard NOT to borrow the trappings of military status for himself, and for a guy who so obviously has a keen grasp of optics, that can't be an accident or oversight.
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Dec 21, 2022 20:15
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Fighting Trousers posted:
Really? He's wearing olive drab cargo pants and a sweatshirt in that photo with Biden. It's basically the same as governors wearing fancy rain coats when doing press conferences when their state is getting creamed by a hurricane, except Zelenskys been dressing like a bum for months albeit during a more lengthy disaster.
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Dec 21, 2022 20:21
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Fighting Trousers posted:Yeah, it was a cup of coffee and OMAGAWD THE DISRESPECT In the US, the President is CiC of the armed forces, so salutes are appropriate. I'm guessing Ukraine's government is structured differently.
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Dec 21, 2022 20:29
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adebisi lives posted:Really? He's wearing olive drab cargo pants and a sweatshirt in that photo with Biden. Exactly. It's military adjacent civilian wear, but it's not a uniform. It's a solidarity thing.
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Dec 21, 2022 20:30
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https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/1605646202078433297 (Blinken is Secretary of State and Sullivan is National Security Advisor)
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Dec 21, 2022 20:32
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adebisi lives posted:Really? He's wearing olive drab cargo pants and a sweatshirt in that photo with Biden. Likely going for the everyman conscript look to symbolize solidarity with the Ukrainian civilians and reservists shivering in their homes or in the field. In contrast to looking like some Generalissimo with some uniform and fake medals which would give off an authoritarian look. A nice laundered suit on the other hand would not give the dirty freedom fighter look and make it look less like his country is desperate for help.
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Telsa Cola posted:It's also the fact both are not magic super weapons and no one has really posted any convincing evidence that either will be impactful enough to warrant overcoming the above mentioned challenges. They're however not only more modern and capable platforms, there's also a functionally infinite supply of them, spare parts, and ammunition, which isn't something that can be said of third-hand Sovient junk. Unless the war can be ended soon, it's a question of time when we'll run out of T-72s and BMP-2s. Not saying they have to send F-16s right now, just that hopefully training and logistics have been worked on. If they'll really deliver Patriots soon, it means the training has been taking place for at least half a year despite there being no indication of it previously. Which if fine of course for opsec reasons.
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Dec 21, 2022 20:33
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Biden has a pretty good selection of paintings and busts in his oval office didn't trump have like Andrew Jackson
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I think functionally infinite is an extremely bold claim given the supply issues observed so far, without even discussing how many are actually avaliable for transfer without undercutting whatever necessary reserve stock amount is deemed necessary, especially in a time with heightened world tensions.
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Moon Slayer posted:https://twitter.com/mj_lee/status/1605640621217222679 https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1605645241310068737 Is it impossible to get a photo with Biden's eyes open
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In Eastern European countries (and in some other places) the rule is you don't salute unless you have some sort of military headgear on your head.
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FishBulbia posted:https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1605645241310068737 isnt zelensky supposed to go infront of congress for some speech soon? wonder which chud will yell something hosed up or awful. Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 20:47 on Dec 21, 2022 |
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Dapper_Swindler posted:isnt zelensky going Infront of congress for some speech soon? wonder which chud will yell something hosed up or awful. Joint press conference at 4:15 ET, speech in front of congress at 7:30pm. If someone does interrupt/boo it'll be MTG since she's been going on about how Zelensky is the "shadow president" and generally seems the most explicitly pro-Russian as opposed to just saying we're spending too much money.
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Deteriorata posted:In the US, the President is CiC of the armed forces, so salutes are appropriate. I'm guessing Ukraine's government is structured differently. The Ukrainian president gets to wave this around at inauguration:  (That's a mace, not a sceptre --- it's basically Hetman cosplay). OddObserver fucked around with this message at 20:53 on Dec 21, 2022 |
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I think it is America and some authoritarian countries that have their leader salute military people? Generally speaking, the top solider within a defense force will be reporting to a civilian within the department of defense. Saluting and all that jazz is to keep discipline and ensuring hierarchal control within the uniformed personnel, not for civilian leadership which should be well above that sort of stuff. The Prime Minister of Australia doesn't salute, let alone King Charles saluting aussie soldiers at any sort of ceremony. He drives past and maybe has opinions on how well they have served the country but he doesn't interact with them directly in an official capacity, only informally where he might choose to do so.
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Telsa Cola posted:I think functionally infinite is an extremely bold claim given the supply issues observed so far, without even discussing how many are actually avaliable for transfer without undercutting whatever necessary reserve stock amount is deemed necessary, especially in a time with heightened world tensions. Yeah, all of those tanks idling in American warehouses are needed in case Canada invades.
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Quixzlizx posted:Yeah, all of those tanks idling in American warehouses are needed in case Canada invades. I think it's a fair claim that every country is reassessing what they deem "sufficent" as a reserve in case a war breaks out after watching the impact of the last 300 days on multiple nations military supplys, yes.
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