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Who's your 2022 MVP? This poll is closed. |
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| Shohei Ohtani |
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50 | 59.52% |
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19 | 22.62% |
| Hey, the national league has an MVP too you know! |
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15 | 17.86% |
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If you think the Giants fans are mad, imagine the Yankee fans! Oh wait, you don't have to. https://twitter.com/DKanner10/status/1605590769938550785
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Already posted but worth posting again. Something's fishy!!!
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Dec 22, 2022 01:01
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Amazing on that on the day Judge is named captain that dude decided his energy should go to complaining about Biden's America.
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Dec 22, 2022 01:02
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I’m glad we’re engaging in good faith again and not just calling each other election deniers and implying we’re just motivated by dislike of the player. Like am I wrong about Boras statements? Bawfuls made a good point that regardless of Correas health Boras would want to sign a new contract quickly before the market readjusts offers which would happen anyway I’d the Giants we’re out or less motivated. But am I wrong to read Boras’ statements as implying that this was a much longer process than we realized and the health concern in question was a known thing at least from Correa/Boras’s side?
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Dec 22, 2022 01:07
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Don't player medicals go through some kind of central MLB thing now? I don't remember how that works. I haven't heard the team saying that they just got his medicals or whatever, but that they wanted more time to review something with them and weren't ready to commit to the initial agreement.
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Dec 22, 2022 01:09
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Inspector_666 posted:Amazing on that on the day Judge is named captain that dude decided his energy should go to complaining about Biden's America. Today has been a remarkable microcosm of the Yankee/NY fanbase with the contrast of the Yankee Captain stuff vs the “Mets outspending Yankees, embarrassing!” stuff.
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Dec 22, 2022 01:09
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STAC Goat posted:I’m glad we’re engaging in good faith again and not just calling each other election deniers and implying we’re just motivated by dislike of the player. Scott Boras posted:“It is not something that is a current issue,” Boras says. “It clearly is not something that has to do with his functionality. He’s played eight years in the major leagues. They asked for more time for their medical people to review. We agreed.” to me that quote reads "the medical poo poo was an excuse, someone in the front office saw 350/13 and got the vapors" giving them more time was just feeding them rope and being able to say you cooperated. i would bet that as soon as they said medical issue boras was already figuring out who to call once they pulled out
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Dec 22, 2022 01:22
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Critical posted:to me that quote reads "the medical poo poo was an excuse, someone in the front office saw 350/13 and got the vapors" See to me that’s Boras essentially confirming that there’s something the Giants were concerned about for his future performance but dismissing it as not having affected Correas performance in the past. And while it’s certainly possible that it simply is nothing that seems like a deflection without a denial to me. It’s Correas health stuff we we might not ever even know what we’re talking about if everyone is ethical enough not to disclose it. The more time negotiation was clear Boras working out an off ramp for a new deal. But it also seems to directly contradict the narrative that this was some kind of sudden shock to Correas camp. That seems to clearly be spin and my interpretation is that it’s purpose is to put the focus on SF’s unprofessionalism instead of the health stuff or timeline of negotiations.
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Dec 22, 2022 01:30
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STAC Goat posted:Like am I wrong about Boras statements? Bawfuls made a good point that regardless of Correas health Boras would want to sign a new contract quickly before the market readjusts offers which would happen anyway I’d the Giants we’re out or less motivated. But am I wrong to read Boras’ statements as implying that this was a much longer process than we realized and the health concern in question was a known thing at least from Correa/Boras’s side? I just don't know what you're looking for here in terms of smoke.  We know the Mets were courting Correa pretty hard before he got the offer with the Giants, right? So unless we know for sure this deal is substantially different than what the Mets were going to offer Correa anyway I don't think we can say any difference in price in the deal was because of some shady dealing to keep whatever Phantom Medical Issues the Giants may or may not have seen. And because we know the Mets were courting Correa hard it makes sense that that's who Correa ended up with when the Giants weren't playing ball - whether or not they had legitimate grievance - again, I side with players in these things, so I don't assume they do have legitimate grievance unless I have hard proof. The fact that we already see mismanagement from the Giants vis-a-vis the fact that they had a press coference literally scheduled the same day at least lends some credence to the fact this was a management/ownership boondoggle. If they were trying to say there was a medical issue in order to renegotiate the contract (which, as pointed out in this thread, is not a historical anomaly for SF), then that's dirty pool no matter how you slice how the backup deal with the Mets was lined up. e: STAC Goat posted:The more time negotiation was clear Boras working out an off ramp for a new deal. But it also seems to directly contradict the narrative that this was some kind of sudden shock to Correas camp. That seems to clearly be spin and my interpretation is that it’s purpose is to put the focus on SF’s unprofessionalism instead of the health stuff or timeline of negotiations. Honest question, can it not be both things - the announcement that they wanted time could have come earlier, with the "we aren't moving forward with this" coming very later? There's talk about how SF didn't get back to them about stuff, it could be there was a delay between part one of "There was a medical issue we would like to look into" and part two being "SF is not moving forward with the contract which allows Correa to sign with the Mets" Monathin fucked around with this message at 01:37 on Dec 22, 2022 |
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Dec 22, 2022 01:33
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Why would Boras want to get out of a deal for more money with a client, exactly? also the Giants have not put out any statements denying what Boras' camp has said so far
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Dec 22, 2022 01:33
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Vertical Lime posted:https://twitter.com/samhustis/status/1605686311905423360?s=46&t=_QMiO1xNvDMGHaAPe7kc5w I think that guy got the wrong message from Glengarry Glen Ross.
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Dec 22, 2022 01:37
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I'm not sure how credible the source was, but I did see somebody earlier today talking about other Giants players being pissed about how this all broke down, too.
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Dec 22, 2022 01:37
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Its basically impossible to measure unless some future guy comes out and says "I removed the Giants from consideration/would only have signed with them for an extra 20 mil" but I can't imagine players league-wide are impressed with SF either
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Dec 22, 2022 01:41
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The Giants have to overpay the crap out of some superstar in the next year to make up for losing Correa, or they're going to have to hope Correa injures himself so they can say "I told you so".
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Dec 22, 2022 01:46
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STAC Goat posted:See to me that’s Boras essentially confirming that there’s something the Giants were concerned about for his future performance but dismissing it as not having affected Correas performance in the past. And while it’s certainly possible that it simply is nothing that seems like a deflection without a denial to me. We know that even if the issue has cropped up in his career, it hasn't stopped him from performing well enough to be offered and agree to 3 separate 9 figure deals. There's no particular reason to doubt that this predated his baseball career and hasn't come up since, outside of an extreme dislike for Boras and Correa. STAC Goat posted:The more time negotiation was clear Boras working out an off ramp for a new deal. But it also seems to directly contradict the narrative that this was some kind of sudden shock to Correas camp. That seems to clearly be spin and my interpretation is that it’s purpose is to put the focus on SF’s unprofessionalism instead of the health stuff or timeline of negotiations.
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Dec 22, 2022 01:50
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Kevlar v2.0 posted:The Giants have to overpay the crap out of some superstar in the next year to make up for losing Correa, or they're going to have to hope Correa injures himself so they can say "I told you so". He wouldn't even need to get injured, it would have to be a David Wright-type of thing where he has a debilitating condition that was entirely separate from his playing career to justify what they're claiming.
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Dec 22, 2022 01:53
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FlamingLiberal posted:Why would Boras want to get out of a deal for more money with a client, exactly? There’s nothing really to deny right? Boras isnt denying a medical concern and he’s basically saying “we pulled out of the deal”. There’s nothing for SF to say unless they go full character assassination and medical report disclosure. And that would be real bad. They just have to take the hits. I don’t know why Boras would want to pull out but he did, didn’t he? There’s two simple explanations for that. The first that SF just burnt Correa enough that the relationship was ruined and he wanted out or that any kind of renegotiation would result in a lower value than the Mets deal either because of the health stuff or decreased market. It’s maybe both. But the question of why Correa took less money to play out of position is my very question. Why? Monathin posted:I just don't know what you're looking for here in terms of smoke. Of course. I’m not trying to argue “SF are the victims, Correa and Boras are the villains”. I’m trying to say this is a mess and I don’t really understand why we’re just accepting one side of the story that kind of contradicts itself and doesn’t actually address what broke up the contract. And specifically Boras seems to be saying he’s the one who pulled out of the deal at his set deadline. Now maybe if he hadn’t given SF that extension they would have pulled out days ago? And maybe the extension was a play to keep this quiet as he negotiated a new deal? Or maybe SF was gonna pull out of the deal regardless and was stringing them around? I dunno. It’s certainly very possible both parties behaved in bad faith. It’s possible neither did. I dunno. I just think it’s silly for us to repeat the “he had already got dressed!” kind of stuff and not at least consider that maybe there was an actual health concern SF was right to be concerned about and that Boras wanted ink dry on before someone else got concerned. Which isn’t even necessarily evil on Boras part. Like if he and Correa lied about something or pulled out of good faith negotiations that sucks. But also Boras job is to get his client the best deal so if that meant signing anew deal before some medical report spread then 🤷♂️
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Dec 22, 2022 02:05
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Finally, exoneration for the Astros pulling out of the Aiken signing because they found something in his medicals and turned out to be rightInspector_666 posted:I'm not sure how credible the source was, but I did see somebody earlier today talking about other Giants players being pissed about how this all broke down, too. It makes sense. They were excited for a new teammate, they were commiserating for Crawford losing his spot, it puts a cloud on the team's ability to get new big name free agents and also doubts on their own future contract negotiations Intruder fucked around with this message at 03:13 on Dec 22, 2022 |
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Dec 22, 2022 02:34
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STAC Goat posted:Obviously the Giants made some kind of mismanagement of the situation. But we’re literally just repeating back the spin coming out of the Boras/Correa camp and even that seems contradictory. So nonsense like “he was already dressed!” feels secondary to the idea that there was apparently some kind of potentially undisclosed health issue that derailed this deal seemingly a lot earlier than yesterday afternoon. please share with us your headcannon of events that transpired
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Dec 22, 2022 02:42
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I’ve repeatedly said I have no headcanon. I’m simply acknowledging that Boras said he negotiated some kind of extension and deadline for 1 PM so clearly the narrative that they were blindsided by SF yesterday afternoon is not true. No? We were blindsided. But we know next to nothing of what happened in this.
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Dec 22, 2022 02:54
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- Correa and the Giants agreed to terms, and with agreement in place, Correa was off the market while they worked out the details, physicals, etc - An hour before the conference the Giants abruptly announced the deal wasn't going through based on reported terms - Boras confirmed with the Giants they did not intend to abide by the original contract terms and wanted to renegotiate, and as this was not the original agreed upon terms, that places Correa back on the open market. The Giants confirmed this. - Uncle Steve signed Correa Am I missing something? Did Boras do something nefarious? Because it seems like the Giants just hosed up massively and Boras did his job
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Dec 22, 2022 03:06
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Kevlar v2.0 posted:The Giants have to overpay the crap out of some superstar in the next year to make up for losing Correa, or they're going to have to hope Correa injures himself so they can say "I told you so". Congrats to baseball's first $500M player, Shohei Ohtani. That is until the Giants find out he had complications during his wisdom teeth extraction and welp Cohen sweeps in for $450MM.
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Dec 22, 2022 03:10
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There's no way the Giants get out of this looking like pieces of poo poo unless Correa literally dies of Bonitis on opening day, and even then their offseason plans are hosed. They're other moves were just complimentary players to build a superstar around and now there are no superstars left on the open market and the Giants' farm system isn't good enough to trade for anyone even if there was anyone as good as Correa/Judge on the trading block. This is obviously ownership balking at the last minute. They knew the Giants needed to do something to reverse the fan apathy and dragging attendance, and instead did the exact wrong thing. If Charles Johnson doesn't think a well-ran can make easily make the money to afford Correa he should sell the loving team.
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Dec 22, 2022 03:41
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i don't think charles johnson gets enough attention for what an absolute piece of poo poo he is.
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Dec 22, 2022 03:42
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There's only one player the Giants can sign to turn this offseason around and he's ready to go. It will also restart his HoF ballot eligibility. 
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Dec 22, 2022 03:54
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General Bullshit posted:There's only one player the Giants can sign to turn this offseason around and he's ready to go.
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Dec 22, 2022 03:57
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https://twitter.com/jessespector/status/1605559696773025799?s=46&t=5QvyM0rHXW_frTHI_QFEaA
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Dec 22, 2022 04:51
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https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1605772916745969665?t=Vv3mHstv-xXmg7KJNZnOjg&s=19 Alvarez Time
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Dec 22, 2022 04:56
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goodbye james, don't let the door hit ya where the lord split ya on the way out.
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Dec 22, 2022 04:57
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fine, i guess i'll play catcher for the chicago cubs
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Dec 22, 2022 04:59
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https://twitter.com/Skip2MyJays/status/1605773676103745536
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Dec 22, 2022 05:13
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What if Steve Cohen owned every team
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Dec 22, 2022 05:25
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:What if Steve Cohen owned every team always has
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Dec 22, 2022 05:26
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The Universal Baseball Association, Inc., Steven A. Cohen, Prop.
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Dec 22, 2022 05:26
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:What if Steve Cohen owned every team He's planning on it.
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Dec 22, 2022 05:38
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Gorman Thomas posted:https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1605772916745969665?t=Vv3mHstv-xXmg7KJNZnOjg&s=19
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Dec 22, 2022 06:03
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STAC Goat posted:There’s nothing really to deny right? Boras isnt denying a medical concern and he’s basically saying “we pulled out of the deal”. I can't be sure, ofc, but having just caught up on the thread, most of the people replying to you in this matter seem to be on the side of "it was the Giants that pulled out of the deal, not Boras and Correa", in direct opposition to your above assumptions. Those are assumptions on their side, too, ofc... and as you say elsewhere, we're mostly getting the agent/player side of the story, but since the Giants are constrained by not wanting/being able to talk about Correa's personal medical details... well, there's gonna be some lingering mystery, for sure. The fact that Correa ended up settling for 35 mil less and having to move over from SS to 3B makes me feel like he and Boras were settling for the 2nd best offer... which implies they didn't have access to the very best offer any more. Due to the Giants" decision, not theirs. <pure conjecture> Edit: oh, and if the assumption is that the Giants lowered their offer due to whatever medical misgivings they now have, it seems like it lowered the quality of the new potential deal with them to below the Mets" offer, hence that now being Correa's preferred path for whatever reasons he has. LongTimeFirstTime fucked around with this message at 06:31 on Dec 22, 2022 |
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Dec 22, 2022 06:28
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STAC Goat I don't know what to tell you other than you seem to be defaulting to an owner-favoring narrative which is potentially the dumbest possible thing you could be defaulting to.
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Dec 22, 2022 06:56
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This article claims the Giants were concerned with Correa's previous ankle injury. You know, the ankle injury that required surgery and ended his season with the quote:While Correa missed time early in his MLB career with a back injury, multiple league sources said the Giants had concerns about an ankle injury he suffered while in the minor leagues. In 2014, when he was a 19-year-old prospect with the Houston Astros, Correa injured his leg on a slide into third base in a High-A game. The Astros later announced that he underwent surgery on a fractured right fibula and a ligament. However, the current Giants GM, Pete Putila, had spent his entire 12-year career with the Astros (going from intern to assistant GM) before the Giants hired him in October. Correa's injury history (at least up to 2021) should've been known well in advance.
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Dec 22, 2022 06:59
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wow, if theyre concerned about the fibula and not the back, theyre clearly just making some poo poo up because the owners got cold feet on actually spending money
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