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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The law says that it only applies to performances with "prurient interests" and Shapespeare wouldn't count. It only counts when they want it to count.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The law says that it only applies to performances with "prurient interests" and Shapespeare wouldn't count. Some Shakespeare would count. I wonder if they’d go after a panto.
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Dec 22, 2022 00:18
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Twincityhacker posted:It only counts when they want it to count. It's exactly this. They'll probably bandy out that one quote from a judge way back about how "I can't define porn, but I know it when I see it."
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Dec 22, 2022 00:19
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The law says that it only applies to performances with "prurient interests" and Shapespeare wouldn't count. So somehow Shakespeare wouldn't count but a drag queen reading a kids book to pre-schoolers would?
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Dec 22, 2022 00:20
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Madkal posted:So somehow Shakespeare wouldn't count but a drag queen reading a kids book to pre-schoolers would? Yeah, they specifically wrote the law to include "male or female impersonators" in the definition for the law. quote:"Adult cabaret performance" means a performance in a location other than an adult cabaret that features topless dancers, go-go dancers, exotic dancers, strippers, male or female impersonators who provide entertainment that appeals to a prurient interest, or similar entertainers, regardless of whether or not performed for consideration;
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Dec 22, 2022 00:22
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It's operating on conservative logic where all actions performed by non-cis straight people are inherently sexual. It is 1000% a hammer to use for people they don't like.
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Dec 22, 2022 00:28
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Gumball Gumption posted:Yes. Why wouldn't you? Because I saw multiple attempts at it while living in Tennessee and I'm fine with saying they need to stick to Arsenic and Old Lace and Lil' Abner.
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Dec 22, 2022 00:34
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These laws aren't being proposed now because of people being upset by Shakespeare. Even if that also happens to cover them, I think the odds of the cops showing up at Shakespeare in the Park or whatever to shut that down are nil.
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Dec 22, 2022 00:39
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FlamingLiberal posted:These laws aren't being proposed now because of people being upset by Shakespeare. Even if that also happens to cover them, I think the odds of the cops showing up at Shakespeare in the Park or whatever to shut that down are nil. https://blockclubchicago.org/2022/07/22/gunfire-erupts-during-shakespeare-in-the-park-performance-on-the-west-side/ quote:AUSTIN — A family-friendly theater event at Columbus Park ended in chaos Thursday night after someone fired shots while performers were on stage. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEzskNtFnIY&t=113s
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Yeah, they specifically wrote the law to include "male or female impersonators" in the definition for the law. Even though having a drag queen/king read to kids is basically the same as someone in a superhero costume do the same thing. I'd ask what they think about cosplay, but I doubt I'd like the answer.
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Push El Burrito posted:Wonder how sexy a dance has to be before it becomes prurient. The day conservatives ban latino style dances is the day their party loving dies.
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Bugs Bunny now BANNED!   
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Madkal posted:So somehow Shakespeare wouldn't count but a drag queen reading a kids book to pre-schoolers would? It's largely subjective, so it's easy to pick and choose where to apply it. Conservative prosecutors will argue that the drag queens are freaky sex perverts that are getting off on dressing that way, and that their book clubs are just dragging children into their kink. That is how the "prurient interest" comes in - actors are wearing the outfit because it's their job, but if you're wearing the outfit purely for fun then they'll insist it's a weird sex thing. The real impact is going to be the chilling effect, because not many people are going to want to be up there in front of a Tennessee judge trying to explain that "I just like dressing that way" or "I'm trans" are not just kinks.
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Dec 22, 2022 01:06
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Well gosh I know the law is complex and all but we just have to trust that everyone who enforces the law uses Common Sense. Common sense policing, common sense prosecution, common sense communities. Vote for me, the common sense candidate. please ignore that common sense is a dogwhistle for bigotry forever and always
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Main Paineframe posted:It's largely subjective, so it's easy to pick and choose where to apply it.
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They know exactly what they’re doing. There’s some talk radio scumbag who talks about how supporting gay kids is bad because it specializes them, then segues immediately into talking about how it’s wholesome to take kids to Hooters so that they can internalize patriarchal norms, which is 100% grooming not even related to the creepy patriarchy part. The point is that he can wink about how what he wants is accepted and something healthy and normal can be used to throw somebody in jail or have their kids taken away.
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Fighting Trousers posted:Even though having a drag queen/king read to kids is basically the same as someone in a superhero costume do the same thing. I'd ask what they think about cosplay, but I doubt I'd like the answer. There's really nothing to wonder. If it's a cis-dude dressing up like Spider Man or Batman, that's cool and good, nothing wrong with that. If it's a sexy cis-lady dressed up like Wonder Woman, hell yeah. If it's someone in drag, then won't somebody think of the children!?
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Gerund posted:Well gosh I know the law is complex and all but we just have to trust that everyone who enforces the law uses Common Sense. Hey now, sometimes it's also a dogwhistle for anti-intellectualism! Who needs to develop policy with careful thought and consideration? Just use your common sense!
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Glad to see we're in agreement about all the politicians round these parts yammering about "common sense gun reform"
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the_steve posted:There's really nothing to wonder. Tandi Iman Dupree's legendary I Need a Hero performance is her dressed as Wonder Woman - this doesn't have much to do with anything I just wanted people to see that video because it is fantastic. Drag queens now are politically savvy and certainly aren't taking this lying down though. Nina West is a queen who's gotten a LOT of poo poo from these crazies because she's worked with Nickelodeon and Disney, written a children's book, and does a lot of all-ages shows. Her editorial for Out magazine is worth a read, it's aimed at the gay community that has sort of been split over this issue, some want to "appease" the conservatives and disown drag queen story hour altogether but that obviously won't stop these bills. https://www.out.com/commentary/2022/12/16/nina-west-im-scared-i-wont-stop-drag-story-hour Nina isn't really my cup of tea either (I prefer Dragula to RuPaul's Drag Race) but I support her drag, She's been doing family-friendly shows for over 20 years without controversy until now. It's ridiculous that in 2022 conservatives are trying to re-enact laws that were struck off the books in the 1960s. Feels like we're backsliding massively as a country 
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Trying to think of the last time I saw someone in flamboyant drag outside of an advertised drag or queer event and it's... huh, never. Guess our kids are safe, no need for laws. This is almost cheating, but I once went to a Marie Antoinette exhibit at the Legion of Honor in San Francisco and one of the visitors came dressed as Marie Antoinette and the tourists found it delightful. That person was actually kind of a dick, though, because their dress bustle was like six feet across and made it totally impossible for anyone else to maneuver around inside the museum. Plus being surrounded by so much opulence that people were literally beheaded over it and saying "*I* need to be the center of attention." Anyways, that's my single lifetime instance of it happening and it didn't warrant more than a sideways look. Nameless Pete fucked around with this message at 03:21 on Dec 22, 2022 |
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Nameless Pete posted:This is almost cheating, but I once went to a Marie Antoinette exhibit at the Legion of Honor in San Francisco and one of the visitors came dressed as Marie Antoinette and the tourists found it delightful. That person was actually kind of a dick, though, because their dress bustle was like six feet across and made it totally impossible for anyone else to maneuver around inside the museum. Plus being surrounded by so much opulence that people were literally beheaded over it and saying "*I* need to be the center of attention." This kind of thing is why they outlaw homemade Chewbacca costumes at Star Wars land at Disneyland.
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I AM GRANDO posted:This kind of thing is why they outlaw homemade Chewbacca costumes at Star Wars land at Disneyland. Those were Chewbacca costumes? I thought it was just
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I AM GRANDO posted:This kind of thing is why they outlaw homemade Chewbacca costumes at Star Wars land at Disneyland. Disney has had a pretty hard and fast "no cosplay for people over 12" for some time now. If cosplaying is allowed, it's spefically mentioned ahead of time. To my knowlage, the only time you can cosplay in the parks is during the specially ticketed Halloween events. Even then you aren't allowed to wear full face masks. This is to prevent small children from walking up to non-castmembers and thinking that they are really Belle or Chewie. Both for the child's safety and so the adults and teens don't get harrassed. There's a whole thing with Disney fans called "Disneybounding" where people dress as close as they can to a specific charecter before being asked to change or leave the park.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Since Drag Shows are apparently the new hotness in conservative media, 5 states are now moving to classify wearing drag as "adult entertainment" and make it a felony to perform it in public or in front of children. 
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Twincityhacker posted:Disney has had a pretty hard and fast "no cosplay for people over 12" for some time now. If cosplaying is allowed, it's spefically mentioned ahead of time. To my knowlage, the only time you can cosplay in the parks is during the specially ticketed Halloween events. Even then you aren't allowed to wear full face masks. Is kind of a fair point about cosplaying when you're in a venue where you could be mistaken for an employee.
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Mickey Mouse asked if I could get him the cash out of my mom's purse!
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Is kind of a fair point about cosplaying when you're in a venue where you could be mistaken for an employee. I once saw a person go up to an employee at Home Depot in their very bright hard to interpret as anything other than a work uniform orange apron and ask them "Excuse me, do you work here?". So yeah, props to Disney for basically trying to idiot-proof their theme parks in such a fashion.
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Twincityhacker posted:Disney has had a pretty hard and fast "no cosplay for people over 12" for some time now. If cosplaying is allowed, it's spefically mentioned ahead of time. To my knowlage, the only time you can cosplay in the parks is during the specially ticketed Halloween events. Even then you aren't allowed to wear full face masks. There’s also widespread costuming during races. But those aren’t during operating hours.
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As much bullshit as Disney pulls on every level, they do a fair bit of stuff that makes sense with managing large crowds, maintaining their image and trying to contain people's weirdness. Am reminded how apparently it's the actors playing male characters like Gaston and Flynn who tend to get the most brazen sexual harassment.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:As much bullshit as Disney pulls on every level, they do a fair bit of stuff that makes sense with managing large crowds, maintaining their image and trying to contain people's weirdness. Am reminded how apparently it's the actors playing male characters like Gaston and Flynn who tend to get the most brazen sexual harassment. I can't remember where I read it, but I remember this one story not long after they started putting Kylo Ren actors into the park, he was doing his bit and the woman he was "interrogating" kept doubling down on the "Harder daddy" act until he couldn't take it anymore and stormed off. IIRC, the OP was trying to make Kylo sound like the rear end in a top hat for being "unprofessional" about it.
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nine-gear crow posted:I once saw a person go up to an employee at Home Depot in their very bright hard to interpret as anything other than a work uniform orange apron and ask them "Excuse me, do you work here?". So yeah, props to Disney for basically trying to idiot-proof their theme parks in such a fashion. This happens at all retail establishments, all the time.
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the_steve posted:I can't remember where I read it, but I remember this one story not long after they started putting Kylo Ren actors into the park, he was doing his bit and the woman he was "interrogating" kept doubling down on the "Harder daddy" act until he couldn't take it anymore and stormed off. Being forced to do improv with every single person they meet all day is like the ironic punishment for actors who angered Zeus.
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“do you work here?” is just to prompt them to ask you what you need. It’s better than walking up and barking out a demand as the first interaction
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nine-gear crow posted:I once saw a person go up to an employee at Home Depot in their very bright hard to interpret as anything other than a work uniform orange apron and ask them "Excuse me, do you work here?". So yeah, props to Disney for basically trying to idiot-proof their theme parks in such a fashion. Hell people come up to me all the time when I'm not even in anything remotely resembling the store's uniform and ask me if I work there so I can at least understand why companies want to reduce that liability.
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haveblue posted:“do you work here?” is just to prompt them to ask you what you need. It’s better than walking up and barking out a demand as the first interaction Yeah what a weird reaction to a very common introduction to a store employee lol
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Just gonna leave this here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSA2wYUQTrg
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nine-gear crow posted:I once saw a person go up to an employee at Home Depot in their very bright hard to interpret as anything other than a work uniform orange apron and ask them "Excuse me, do you work here?". So yeah, props to Disney for basically trying to idiot-proof their theme parks in such a fashion. I've been in the inverse situation, forgot to take off my name tag while doing some shopping and a couple walked up to me to compliment how nice the Big Lots was and how nice it must be to work there
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haveblue posted:“do you work here?” is just to prompt them to ask you what you need. It’s better than walking up and barking out a demand as the first interaction "Excuse me?" hasn't crossed the ocean yet?
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