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Boris Galerkin posted:I'm aware that it's "a thing" written in some obscure codes but I'm questioning if it's actually A Thing that people do. Like how it's also "a thing" written in some obscure codes that e.g. the US flag shouldn't be used as a thong bikini but yet those exist. I feel like people spouting off the "upside down = duress" thing are just smug assholes repeating some obscure fact they heard to sound smart. It's a thing people do and it happens often/people do it enough that enough people understand it. Also a big thing after elections.
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My 4 year old knew about the upside down flag thing when our dog died. She is a smug rear end in a top hat though.
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Boris Galerkin posted:I'm aware that it's "a thing" written in some obscure codes but I'm questioning if it's actually A Thing that people do. Like how it's also "a thing" written in some obscure codes that e.g. the US flag shouldn't be used as a thong bikini but yet those exist. I feel like people spouting off the "upside down = duress" thing are just smug assholes repeating some obscure fact they heard to sound smart. It was historically a thing at sea, where flags were flown as signals in many contexts. It's not universal, though, in part because a lot of countries don't have flags that look different upside down to begin with.
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Boris Galerkin posted:I'm aware that it's "a thing" written in some obscure codes but I'm questioning if it's actually A Thing that people do. Like how it's also "a thing" written in some obscure codes that e.g. the US flag shouldn't be used as a thong bikini but yet those exist. I feel like people spouting off the "upside down = duress" thing are just smug assholes repeating some obscure fact they heard to sound smart. The code cite Kenlon linked is literally the "obscure codes" that you are thinking of. It's a thing people do.
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Boris Galerkin posted:I'm aware that it's "a thing" written in some obscure codes but I'm questioning if it's actually A Thing that people do. Like how it's also "a thing" written in some obscure codes that e.g. the US flag shouldn't be used as a thong bikini but yet those exist. I feel like people spouting off the "upside down = duress" thing are just smug assholes repeating some obscure fact they heard to sound smart. Surely there are enough weird dudes on the internet to be mad at that you don't have to make people up and give them real estate in your head. If it helps, there is a big budget Hollywood movie from the 2000s, starring Mark Ruffalo, Robert Redford, and James Gandolfini called The Last Castle. It is about a corrupt military prison and the upside down flag thing is the big centerpiece at the climax of the movie.
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https://www.edmundconway.com/typically-britain-tends-to-import-gas-from-europe-in-the-summer-2/ Interesting article on some of the mechanisms behind Europe being able to fill up its gas reserves this summer via UK infrastructure:
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This whole thread is worth a read -- Tim Mak is a real pro follow -- but I found this really interesting: https://twitter.com/timkmak/status/1607017796403085312
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Boris Galerkin posted:I'm aware that it's "a thing" written in some obscure codes but I'm questioning if it's actually A Thing that people do. Like how it's also "a thing" written in some obscure codes that e.g. the US flag shouldn't be used as a thong bikini but yet those exist. I feel like people spouting off the "upside down = duress" thing are just smug assholes repeating some obscure fact they heard to sound smart. You are wrong. Hth. Its a pretty widely understood signal of distress.
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Boris Galerkin posted:I'm aware that it's "a thing" written in some obscure codes but I'm questioning if it's actually A Thing that people do. Like how it's also "a thing" written in some obscure codes that e.g. the US flag shouldn't be used as a thong bikini but yet those exist. I feel like people spouting off the "upside down = duress" thing are just smug assholes repeating some obscure fact they heard to sound smart. Apparently it is something that people do given reports of people… doing it And those flag bikinis don’t meet the legal standard of a flag (though I agree with what you mean here, that’s the fig leaf that chuds use to justify it).
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The Christmas timing is a massive deal, it's hard to explain quite what a massive gently caress-the-russian-orthodox-church statement it is.
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My aunt is extremely Orthodox-religious but even she has been celebrating on December 25th for past few years. This year, of course, Christmas in January is basically only for priests (even of Ukrainian Patriarchate).
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It was a laughable concept already, but the "Russian World" is basically destroyed at this point.
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OzyMandrill posted:The Christmas timing is a massive deal, it's hard to explain quite what a massive gently caress-the-russian-orthodox-church statement it is. Well, you can just imagine if you yourself had decided to celebrate it two weeks early. It is a massive sign of separation from an old tradition. Calendar switches have historically been contributing causes for a lot of bad blood between people and churches.
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In related news, the Orthodox Church of Ukraine and the Greek Catholic Church of Ukraine announced yesterday'ish about forming a working group about church calendar reform; it's not a quick thing since they have to make proposals, have them voted, etc.; they are aiming for 2025 which is the 1700s anniversary of Council of Nicaea. (https://ugcc.ua/data/pid-chas-zustr...alendarya-1713/)
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Shut the gently caress up about the flag.Kenlon posted:It's an actual thing. From 4 US Code Sec 8:
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Moon Slayer posted:This whole thread is worth a read -- Tim Mak is a real pro follow -- but I found this really interesting: This is less strange than it might normally appear, some of the Eastern Orthodox churches do the 25th of Dec, the Greeks for instance.
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Grape posted:This is less strange than it might normally appear, some of the Eastern Orthodox churches do the 25th of Dec, the Greeks for instance. This is an extremely stark break with tradition, which was more than established enough in Ukraine to not bring oddball minority churches into this.
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This has to do with the (non-)adoption of the Gregorian calendar, right? Interesting that something like this has turned into a symbolic issue.
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Phlegmish posted:This has to do with the (non-)adoption of the Gregorian calendar, right? Interesting that something like this has turned into a symbolic issue. Yeah, it’s just that.
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The various articles about this do make the point that a lot of people are deliberately celebrating Christmas today at Russia.
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Grip it and rip it posted:You are wrong. Hth. Its a pretty widely understood signal of distress. This makes no sense. Polish flag in distress is a flag of Indonesia. Not to mention variety of other flags that just don't work like that (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Sekenr posted:This makes no sense. Polish flag in distress is a flag of Indonesia. Not to mention variety of other flags that just don't work like that French, Italian, and Irish flags upside down are identical to rightside up flags (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Shut the gently caress up about the flag. I think this needs to be thread title for this to stop. loving vexillologists, always derailing threads! (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Moon Slayer posted:The various articles about this do make the point that a lot of people are deliberately celebrating Christmas today at Russia. It's a fine enough excuse for young people to throw a party, but as far as a religious occurrence is concerned, for the overwhelming majority of Russians it's the Orthodox Christmas.
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December 22-25 round-up Deep dives:  https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/22/video/russia-ukraine-bucha-massacre-takeaways.htmlquote:But an eight-month visual investigation by The New York Times concluded that the perpetrators of the massacre along Yablunska Street were Russian paratroopers from the 234th Air Assault Regiment led by Lt. Col. Artyom Gorodilov. Herstory Begins Now posted:https://www.wsj.com/articles/putin-russia-ukraine-war-advisers-11671815184 https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-erasing-mariupol-499dceae43ed77f2ebfe750ea99b9ad9quote:But the AP investigation into life in occupied Mariupol also underlines what its residents already know all too well: No matter what the Russians do, they are building upon a city of death. More than 10,000 new graves now scar Mariupol, the AP found, and the death toll might run three times higher than an early estimate of at least 25,000. The former Ukrainian city has also hollowed out, with Russian plans to demolish well over 50,000 homes, the AP calculated. Regular news: WaPo did a nice piece on logistics of weapons assistance to Ukraine. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/12/23/ukraine-weapons-biden/ They also did a piece on the assimilation of Ukrainian children attempted by Russia. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/12/24/ukraine-stolen-children-maria-lvova-belova/ FT did an interview with Olena Zelenska. https://www.ft.com/content/010bae4d-1af7-4c4a-80b1-67e48905addb Blasts reported from Kursk airfield. https://www.unian.ua/russianworld/v-kursku-zayavili-pro-bavovnu-na-aerodromi-progrimilo-kilka-vibuhiv-video-12089376.html Ukrainian government is Russian a poll for the preferred Christmas date on its digital governance app, Diia. https://www.facebook.com/100018225866290/posts/pfbid0Q9GGT1td3FAvs1tXijUqyBR3euhzMNvhSWx3BqNG3RkeMhv5JcpfbCGkexeBffMcl/?mibextid=UUgoR4 According to Mediazona investigation, there are roughly 2k people who have earned “disability earned on the frontline” status in Russia. An important caveat here is that the process is still questionably followed, and takes months. https://zona.media/article/2022/12/22/wounds They're also complaining that Russia has censored an internal service that allowed citizens to monitor the government's spending. https://zona.media/news/2022/12/22/otklyuchil NYT has a story on a food kiosk presently operating in Bakhmut. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/22/world/europe/ukraine-bakhmut-food-stand.html A German intelligence official is being tried on allegations of spying for Russia. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/22/world/europe/germany-russian-spy-arrest.html Politico sources suggest that Ukrainian Patriot operators could be trained in the US. https://www.politico.com/news/2022/12/22/military-training-ukrainians-patriot-united-states-00075284 Short-range artillery fire on Kherson seems to be intensifying. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/23/world/europe/russia-shelling-ukraine-kherson.html According to Ukrainian intelligence, there's no meaningful risk for a Belarus front to open. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/23/world/europe/belarus-ukraine-invasion-threat.html Russia is testing waters for paying off some of the planes it stole. https://www.euractiv.com/section/global-europe/news/russia-explores-buying-some-of-the-400-stolen-airplanes/ Spending omnibus with $45bn for Ukraine passed by US Senate. https://www.ft.com/content/0a7c53bf-bff3-4af1-9eba-e2b28fe339bc Part of this would go into G7's $32bn financial support package for Ukraine. https://www.bundesfinanzministerium.de/Content/EN/Downloads/G7-G20/2022-12-22-g7-statement-ukraine.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=4 WaPo did a piece on behind-the-scenes deliberations between Zelenskyy and Biden. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/12/21/zelensky-biden-weapons-ukraine-patriots/ US is also expanding its authority on prosecuting war crimes. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/22/us/politics/congress-war-crimes.html US claims that North Korea has been supplying Wagner since November. A simultaneous claim alleges that Wagner has 50k fighters in Ukraine – 10k mercenaries and 40k prisoners. https://www.reuters.com/world/us-says-russias-wagner-group-bought-north-korean-weapons-ukraine-war-2022-12-22/ https://twitter.com/WarrenDavidson/status/1606404474918117376 Russian are saying that Zaporizhzhia frontline fortifications line has been completed. https://t.me/vrogov/6740 Earlier in the year, we had some back and forth in the thread on what EU membership process could do regarding corruption problems in Ukraine. As I expected, EC is helicoptering incompatible decisions (a half-baked constitutional court reform passed a few days ago, in this case) basically from the next day: https://suspilne.media/344432-ek-rozrahovue-so-ukraina-vrahue-rekomendacii-venecianki-do-zakonu-pro-ksu/ Medvedev did block someone on Twitter for pointing out that his sone could legally be drafted in the 21-30 age bracket. https://t.me/sotaproject/51289 Prigozhin decided to post some cringe, that he's on the frontline (allegedly anyways) as well. https://t.me/concordgroup_official/177 It looks like the Starlink hunting machine might be just detecting Wi-Fi hotspots? Very funny if so. https://t.me/wehearfromyanina/1159 Also, seems like the French LRU M270 are in Ukraine already. https://t.me/csources/168964 Other summaries: https://notes.citeam.org/dispatch-dec-22-23 https://notes.citeam.org/dispatch-dec-21-22 https://notes.citeam.org/dispatch-dec-20-21 https://notes.citeam.org/mobi-dec-23-24 https://notes.citeam.org/mobi-dec-22-23 https://notes.citeam.org/mobi-dec-21-22 https://zona.media/chronicle/305 https://zona.media/chronicle/304 https://zona.media/chronicle/303 https://zona.media/chronicle/302 https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-december-24 https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-december-23 https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-december-22 https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-december-21
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A few rumours about progress in Kreminna are starting to appear. Very unconfirmed at the moment, but we might have some good news in the next few days https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1607149177699700737 https://twitter.com/ItsArtoir/status/1607134405751083010 https://twitter.com/WarMonitor3/status/1607148440911507456
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Reports of explosions at Engels airbase for a second time. Kinda incredible that they'd be able to hit such a sensitive target twice, implies that the Russians are incapable of stopping them. https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1607164922458263552
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Chalks posted:Reports of explosions at Engels airbase for a second time. Kinda incredible that they'd be able to hit such a sensitive target twice, implies that the Russians are incapable of stopping them. Three people died according to the insider that's sourcing the ministry of defense https://theins.ru/news/258153 Ho ho ho motherfuckers  looks like this time the UAV was shot down by AA after they put a bunch of it there due to the successful first raid Somaen fucked around with this message at 09:54 on Dec 26, 2022 |
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Curious that people died at the target and that AA only managed to engage it at the very last moment of its flight (????)
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One of the witnesses from the article claims that the explosion was not as strong as the attack at the start of the month, so taking into account the fog of war (in the middle of Russia a thousand Kms from the front at that) and the ministry of defence lying, it was either a successful hit or the AA took it down and the debris killed a bunch of people in the process Edit: one journalist noting that on the 5th of December the russian defence ministry reported exactly the same - UAV shot down, three killed, four injured. The damaged planes were politely left out Somaen fucked around with this message at 11:32 on Dec 26, 2022 |
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fatherboxx posted:I think that three people dying is somewhat contrary to the claim that it was successfully shot down. It's not if it was shot down with gun aa. One thing that's long been noted in naval aa is that if you were about to be hit with a missile but manage to shoot it down, you are still likely going to be hit with a whole bunch of flaming fragments.
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So, those three killed were actually pilots? https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1607290086806425601 https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1607301617229131778
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Total cost of training for military pilot in Russia ranges from 3 to 8 million USD so that drone likely paid for itself.
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Dwesa posted:So, those three killed were actually pilots? Killing 3 people in an area where pilots are waiting isn’t the same as killing 3 pilots. It’s possible and probable that there were other people in the same spot besides pilots.
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The thread moves too fast for me to keep up consistently but I just wanted to say thanks for those news round-up effort posts cinci zoo sniper. They're a great reader's digest way of keeping up to date on things fairly quickly and easily. If you had a blog and posted them to it I think it would probably get a fairly decent amount of traction in time, sites like Oryx have shown how much interest is out there on the internet for lots of civilians tracking/keeping up to date with this conflict. If you were at all interested in that mind you.
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Russian MoD line is that they hit a pilot waiting area killing 3 and wounding several more. If that's what MoD is saying now the reality is going to be worse than that, who knows how much worse that will be until there's sat images and angry telegram posts about it or leaks to journalists. At the moment it sure sounds a lot more like a successful strike than a successful intercept, if there even was an intercept. By far the simplest explanation of a pilot waiting area blowing up is that that was the target and it was succesfully hit. The alternative that a Ukrainian drone just happened to crash into a pilot waiting area that was full of people is incredibly unlikely. and yeah seconding that cinci's roundups are very, very good
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Blut posted:The thread moves too fast for me to keep up consistently but I just wanted to say thanks for those news round-up effort posts cinci zoo sniper. They're a great reader's digest way of keeping up to date on things fairly quickly and easily. I'm doing them out of a calculus that this way the thread is less likely to go on a protracted, tedious tangent when there's a regular stream of news. As such, I'm far from enjoying feeling the pressure to spend my time on them consistently, as the primary feedback loop of “cannibalistic derails are less likely to happen” is not that exciting.
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