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https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1607289747134709762?s=20&t=fi_2sNASG_gPZbv2YZ1IHw I know Russians loved them some "eastern" cowboy movies in Soviet times but this must get tiresome for Native Americans when even white chuds like to claim their blood quantum
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Alan Smithee posted:this must get tiresome for Native Americans when even white chuds like to claim their blood quantum He's just the latest in a long string of "Cherokee princesses"
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Which was frequently code for "had a black great-great-great" so joke's on them
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Alan Smithee posted:https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1607289747134709762?s=20&t=fi_2sNASG_gPZbv2YZ1IHw He's not claiming their blood, he's claiming that since the landbridge thing means most if not all native American ancestors came from what is now Russia, that they are "Russian". Because they came from conquered Russian territory and largely from the conquered indigenous peoples therein. Which is actually kind of grosser??
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Alan Smithee posted:https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1607289747134709762?s=20&t=fi_2sNASG_gPZbv2YZ1IHw Ah, yes, the paleo-Siberian peoples who crossed the Bering land bridge were famously extremely Slavic, and their nearest relatives on the western side of the strait were all treated very well by the Russian state. Good observation!
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https://twitter.com/RitornellaNYC/status/1607374499539976192?s=20&t=vFd2_kim5g0wGEmMVqrPkg https://twitter.com/RobertJ09323900/status/1607397690312380417?s=20&t=fi_2sNASG_gPZbv2YZ1IHw
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Grape posted:He's not claiming their blood, he's claiming that since the landbridge thing means most if not all native American ancestors came from what is now Russia, that they are "Russian". What’s the issue here? Scientific evidence supports the theory that indigenous Americans came from present day Russia.
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Boris Galerkin posted:What’s the issue here? Scientific evidence supports the theory that indigenous Americans came from present day Russia. How far back do we wanna go? By this logic, all humans are Africans. (Also true)
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Boris Galerkin posted:What’s the issue here? Scientific evidence supports the theory that indigenous Americans came from present day Russia. That does not make them russians any more than turks or finns or slovenians are russians.
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By that logic the Spanish and Indians (Asian) are also Russian.
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By that logic the Russians are Botswanan.
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Aren't we all Africans if that logic is applied all the way down the line?
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Did you guys watch the short video? The translation is saying that these are his claims: 1. Anglo-Saxons are suppressing native Americans 2. Native Americans originated from modern day Russia Which statement is false?
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Native Americans are (sometimes theorized to come) from areas that would be much later conquered and genocided by Moscow, yes.
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Boris Galerkin posted:Did you guys watch the short video? The translation is saying that these are his claims: I listened to the russian. Native americans are not "[their] russians." Also it's pretty obviously a deflection from what Russia actually did to the east and what it's currently doing in Ukraine, not a plea to help current indigenous peoples of the Americas, so uh, what's your point? The proto-indo-europeans also migrated through Russia and Ukraine, does that mean all Europe is russians? Iranians are russians? Aryan-language-group indians are russians? Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 17:30 on Dec 26, 2022 |
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The ancestors of Anglo-Saxons left Russia about 10,000-15,000 years after the ancestors of Native Americans.
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The X-man cometh posted:By that logic the Spanish and Indians (Asian) are also Russian. Given the recent brand of russian rhetoric, that just means they're prime candidates for russo reunification!
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Boris Galerkin posted:Did you guys watch the short video? The translation is saying that these are his claims: Literally the first subtitle includes "Indians are Russians!". Not to even get into the context of all this coming from a furious talking head on hyper-nationalist Russian state TV.
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Take this conversation literally anywhere else, preferably with your trash.
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Next time I'll be sure to cheer on the death of 3 random people who may or may not have been involved with the Russian war machine. Then I won't be spouting trash?
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Boris Galerkin posted:Next time I'll be sure to cheer on the death of 3 random people who may or may not have been involved with the Russian war machine. Then I won't be spouting trash? Here’s the exhaustive list of goons reading this thread that want to see half a page long argument about a stupid sound bite from a random nobody on Russian TV: Similarly, if you’d like to simply cheer on someone dying, this isn’t the thread for it.
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https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1607367357063729152 More Psy-Ops? I thought Ukraine said they were only interested in attacking military targets, not cities. Willo567 fucked around with this message at 18:43 on Dec 26, 2022 |
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The Kremlin is not a military target? That's where the war criminal grandpa lives
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So far it’s just words, much like Danilov’s recent statements that Ukraine will be fully liberated by summer.
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It's a good warning because Russia has to stretch their AA thin by getting them to defend cities deep inside, far away from the front
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Willo567 posted:https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1607367357063729152 Gerashenko is not a trustworthy source on these matters Although Ukraine has announced development and testing of long-range drones some months ago.
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fatherboxx posted:Gerashenko is not a trustworthy source on these matters How is he not trustworthy? He's an advisor to the Ministry of Internal Affairs
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cinci zoo sniper posted:I'm doing them out of a calculus that this way the thread is less likely to go on a protracted, tedious tangent when there's a regular stream of news. As such, I'm far from enjoying feeling the pressure to spend my time on them consistently, as the primary feedback loop of “cannibalistic derails are less likely to happen” is not that exciting. If you did them as a weekly digest it might result in you feeling less pressure to spend time on them? You could possibly just bookmark any interesting articles you come across yourself during the week as it goes along so the research would feel a bit more organic/less forced. But whatever works, either way your effort is appreciated!
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Willo567 posted:How is he not trustworthy? He's an advisor to the Ministry of Internal Affairs An advisor is exactly just that, a position that does not involve any decision-making. He's also got a long history of bombastic claims, even before this year.
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Blut posted:If you did them as a weekly digest it might result in you feeling less pressure to spend time on them? You could possibly just bookmark any interesting articles you come across yourself during the week as it goes along so the research would feel a bit more organic/less forced. The specifics of scheduling the writing are secondary to my irritation with the fact of it. That said no, a weekly digest would betray the point of it, having a regular supply of something meaningfully relevant to the purpose of the thread.
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Boris Galerkin posted:Next time I'll be sure to cheer on the death of 3 random people who may or may not have been involved with the Russian war machine. Then I won't be spouting trash? I'd be pretty shocked if there are many non-military folk on a military airbase. This wasn't a random civilian airport, but the military airbase that they've been launching missiles from at Ukraine's civilians. If any place was a valid target to hit, it'd be Engels-2.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:The specifics of scheduling the writing are secondary to my irritation with the fact of it. That said no, a weekly digest would betray the point of it, having a regular supply of something meaningfully relevant to the purpose of the thread. Don't worry about it, then. You're not getting paid enough for that sort of aggravation. We can manage to just post stuff as interesting stuff comes up. Use your buttons to contain off-topic derails.
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Deteriorata posted:Don't worry about it, then. You're not getting paid enough for that sort of aggravation. I think that punitive interventions are of limited use in this specific situation, to get to the best possible outcome, and so I'll keep doing my thing for as long as I care to moderate, or figure out something better. I just wanted to candidly reply to Blut on the real motivations behind this, which isn't even close to a newsletter “opportunity” lost on me.
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Willo567 posted:How is he not trustworthy? He's an advisor to the Ministry of Internal Affairs Advisor in Ukranian context means media proxy/surrogate, they (Podolyak, Herashenko and Arestovych as the main ones) are just talking heads for their offices with a lot of freedom for narratives.
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:Ukrainians probably going to be written in Latin script within a decade the way things are going I think Kazakhstan decided to go there even before the war, Ukraine will probably manage within 3-5 years IMO. I hope for Belarus too.
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Welp, looks like the Bellingcat crew's winter vacation in Moscow has to be cancelled now. https://mobile.twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1607363035374694401
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:Ukrainians probably going to be written in Latin script within a decade the way things are going That would be a large cultural change for sure, would Turkey be the last big country to change their alphabet? On the other hand they have as much right to Cyrillic as russia does, if not more. edit; forgot Kazakhstan 
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