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Large Testicles
Jun 1, 2020

[ASK] ME ABOUT MY LOVE FOR 1'S

IOwnCalculus posted:

Ignoring the problem of getting a non-production engine through emissions

yeah i don't foresee this being anything someone is going to strap into a vehicle that needs to pass emissions, i can totally see honda dudes throwing these into their civics for racing if someone makes a FWD/AWD trans adapter tho. the K series only has so much support compared to what the LS has and this has the potential for way more power

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Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

Joe Mama posted:

Yeah I didn't catch that the power given was NA, but still. I guess I'd have to see final specs and price to judge it better but I guess I could see this going into an old, small truck or Jeep where you have/want a combination of small space, high torque, and old school looks. It's best assets are definitely it's small size and ability to accept any regular rear end trans.

Absolutely, and that's huge. This could go into practically any 70s or 80s car and make double the power at 5x the fuel economy. It'd be a blast in an Iroc-Z, a Miata, a Luv, or a loving delorean, with a fraction of the usual V8 transplant development.

Olympic Mathlete
Feb 25, 2011

:h:


https://twitter.com/coreyforde/status/1606716306757124096?t=f66FdPI3oQJHBp3w0drJNA&s=19

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


https://i.imgur.com/D6yofa6.mp4

AirRaid
Dec 21, 2004

Nose Manual + Super Sonic Spin Attack
The thing that truly elevates that is the Headlight wink.

Looks sped up tho.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


AirRaid posted:

The thing that truly elevates that is the Headlight wink.

Looks sped up tho.

That's just the eurobeat speeding up your brain. (yes it is sped up)

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

I like how the video ends just before he runs off the side road.

DJ Commie
Feb 29, 2004

Stupid drivers always breaking car, Gronk fix car...

bennyfactor posted:

Wonder if it would be possible to take a stock LS/vortec ecu and disable four of the coils/injectors in HPtuners or something like that, since the head is an LS head and presumably some of the other sensors would be chevy parts as well.

GM already did a variant of this on LS family with DIsplacement on Demand. As I recall, it collapses intake lifters to 'disable' the cylinders. I've seen plenty of 'delete' kits for it, but never seen issues other than performance concerns or a delay in the 4-8 changeover.

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


DJ Commie posted:

GM already did a variant of this on LS family with DIsplacement on Demand. As I recall, it collapses intake lifters to 'disable' the cylinders. I've seen plenty of 'delete' kits for it, but never seen issues other than performance concerns or a delay in the 4-8 changeover.


Engines lunching themselves from AFM lifters collapsing/coming apart has been a pretty big issue for a while. They are a massive weakness introduced into an otherwise stout engine.

there are ton of class action lawyers trying to build cases around it.



Powershift fucked around with this message at 02:40 on Dec 26, 2022

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT

Autocross-stitch

PainterofCrap
Oct 17, 2002

hey bebe



I am bidding on this on eBay at the moment.

'69 DS Safari, imported from Holland a few years back, titled in the US as a '73.

Seller (http://www.zombiemotors.net/about-us/) claiming buyer's remorse, but he is a dealer or shop in Oregon. Not sure if he spent $20K all-in, or $20k trying to kill the punch list after the sale. Even though he seems to be in the car business, It's possible he doesn't know poo poo about fixing cars, or suffers from the US phobia towards all things French. Maybe he's a flipper?







Says he's giving up on it for a variety of issues, none of which deter me. His biggest gripe is that the PO/dealer in Beverly Hills repainted it & afterwards, the headlights & turn signals didn't work, which screams GROUNDING ISSUE at me and shouldn't be all of that difficult to resolve. In fact, except for major structural rust & re-mortgaging your house for interior upholstery (neither of which seem to be issues here) Citroen DSs are really not all that hard to work on. It is an engineering tour de force, being designed in the mid-1950s, but it is still all mechanical & the electrical system is no Lucas.

It's a wagon; it's Euro-spec - imported out of Holland - which means the turning headlights & glass headlight covers. Four-speed manual.

E: he seems to specialize in engine swaps. The issues with this car may be far outside of his areas of expertise?

OR

There's something seriously, seriously wrong with this & he's not disclosing it. I have e-mailed him.

PainterofCrap fucked around with this message at 02:37 on Dec 28, 2022

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


The sticker on the windshield is Bevery Hills Car Club

Here it is on their website.

https://www.beverlyhillscarclub.com/1973-citroen-ds-wagon-c-10436.htm

It was listed there at $18,950, but they make no mention of it being a '69.

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

PainterofCrap posted:

I am bidding on this on eBay at the moment.

'69 DS Safari, imported from Holland a few years back, titled in the US as a '73.

Following :awesome:

I have nothing to add here except that I generally agree with your assessment that they're mechanically very simple and whatever is wrong with it, can probably be fixed in your garage

PainterofCrap
Oct 17, 2002

hey bebe



A lot happened since that post. I did bid on it, up to $9K. Which is insane for sight-unseen.

I called the seller & he responded in under an hour. He's an engine swap guy, especially Land Rovers, imports a ton from the UK; but has an eye for odd makes. He has a couple other DSs but this one has electrical issues and a really (rusted) weak hinge perch on the one door; the cable that ties the headlights to the steering is not installed correctly or completely, so it has lazy eye. Some rust here & there but not on any structural areas or the floorpans. He says that none of that is his jam, he prefers cars with solid bodies (even if the paint is faded) & mechanical issues. And this was after replacing the carburetor & distributor & tuning it up. Says it runs great.

The car came out of Belgium or Luxembourg about five years ago with a re-paint (and maybe some bodywork lurking underneath) being done there, before it was sold to someone in California. Then it wound up at BH. He says he paid $17500 for it and was pissed off at all of the work it needed. So he has spent a grand or so on the mechanical work.

THen he emails me & says he'll sell it for $10,500 and guarantee shipping of $1400 from Eugene to my house near Philadelphia. It has a California title, and for $200 he'd flip it into his name so we could do it as a private sale rather than passing the California title through a dealer transfer.

He says the exporter folks in Europe probably screwed up the year. Seventy-threes had horizontal bar taillights; this rear is '69-'71. The VIN matches the title & the title says 1973, so it'll probably transfer just fine anywhere here so long as you resist the compulsion to tell the DMV folks that it's actually a '71.

I thought long & hard about it & like the Pontiac longroof, I would have to have indoor storage for it, both to work on it and also because it's criminal to leave works of art to rust away outside. Plus my wife was not thrilled, to say the least.

Agh.

I still love the Econoline and look forward to getting it painted & roadworthy again.

PainterofCrap fucked around with this message at 06:45 on Dec 28, 2022

lilbeefer
Oct 4, 2004


This would be fine if it was cut sooner, so it wasn't obvious he was going to drift off the road onto the grass at the end

Darchangel
Feb 12, 2009

Tell him about the blower!


Powershift posted:

Engines lunching themselves from AFM lifters collapsing/coming apart has been a pretty big issue for a while. They are a massive weakness introduced into an otherwise stout engine.

there are ton of class action lawyers trying to build cases around it.





It’s gorgeous, but I’d be afraid to take it off road and damage vintage tin.

Wasabi the J posted:

Autocross-stitch

God dammit. I laughed.

Wrar
Sep 9, 2002


Soiled Meat

IOwnCalculus posted:

Not feasible as far as I know, the common LS ECUs were only configured for operation on 6 or 8 cylinder engines. Other GM ECUs could theoretically work.

Edit: Found at least one person who claims to have done it in an ancient EFILive post. But at any rate there's probably no shortage of ways to make that work, though I suspect Blueprint is only going to support some form of standalone that doesn't pretend to be OBD2 compliant.

But, the only sensors that are going to exist in a combination of "critical to the ECM" and "can't be easily swapped" are the crank and cam position sensors, and those are going to be mounted to the block reading the trigger wheel on the crank and whatever cam sensor they seem to have stuck in the side of the block there (looks very similar to the drop-in "not a distributor" that late 4.0 Jeeps use). The only sensor mounted to the head is coolant temperature and that just threads into the water jacket so physically adapt whatever sensor you need.

The newer trucks using the E78 share an ECM with the Traxx of all things. So there is a 4 cyl calibration already. With boost.

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

I'll take, "Broadly expanded definition of 'Citroen Wagon' " for $400, Alex






















Not wagons by any definition, but didn't have the heart to exclude them:

2CV "Radar" (?)


Reportedly has an 11b engine from traction Avant


Under the covers, this is secretly a 15cv (inline 6 3.0L traction Avant) built for, I think Charles de Gaulle then french president



Kind of has hints of a 300SL imo

Much like the Ukrainians driving around in stolen Russian tanks pushing out Russian occupiers; the French did something similar with the traction Avant and the Germans back in the day. FFI was french forces of the interior

Shai-Hulud
Jul 10, 2008

But it feels so right!
Lipstick Apathy
I keeping with the theme. Met this guy a couple of years ago:

LimaBiker
Dec 9, 2020




DSs imported from the Netherlands, that were actually used in the Netherlands, have rust as the biggest issue. If i recall correctly, there are areas where there are two layers of sheet metal spot welded together and those areas just loooove to catch water and rust.

But 10.000 euro for a DS isn't unheard of. They have gotten really expensive in the past decade or so. A barn find will run 3500 euro, a road legal one 10.000 to 30.000 so i think you had a good deal unless you have severe structural problems.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

Darchangel posted:

It’s gorgeous, but I’d be afraid to take it off road and damage vintage tin.

It’s a ‘34 Vicky, and it’s almost certainly 100% aftermarket sheet metal. I’d wheel that thing to death and back.


I have a sudden, overpowering urge to build a French Ecto-1.

SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017

LimaBiker posted:

DSs imported from the Netherlands, that were actually used in the Netherlands, have rust as the biggest issue. If i recall correctly, there are areas where there are two layers of sheet metal spot welded together and those areas just loooove to catch water and rust.

But 10.000 euro for a DS isn't unheard of. They have gotten really expensive in the past decade or so. A barn find will run 3500 euro, a road legal one 10.000 to 30.000 so i think you had a good deal unless you have severe structural problems.

Right now you can only find DS in Italy at concours level which explains the high prices, stuff like xm or xanthias on the other hand are dirt cheap, pretty much made of rust and they propel themselves only out of spite.

Darchangel
Feb 12, 2009

Tell him about the blower!


MrYenko posted:

It’s a ‘34 Vicky, and it’s almost certainly 100% aftermarket sheet metal. I’d wheel that thing to death and back.

Ah, yeah. If there's nothing original in there, then all day, every day.

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


If anything, it makes MORE sense to offroad in a 30s car because of how cheap and easily replaceable the outboard sheet metal is.

McTinkerson
Jul 5, 2007

Dreaming of Shock Diamonds


https://japanesenostalgiccar.com/mazda-rx3-convertible-nats-tokyo-auto-salon/
:circlefap:

This is just the right amount of automotive insanity.

Godzilla07
Oct 4, 2008

The trains are so good in France that only rich assholes with no taste own cars in Paris. At least I got to learn that Ram drivers are the same no matter where you are in the world:



London was much better for car spotting.

Here's a now-vintage Astra VXR and a Daihatsu that looks to have been imported from Japan:



Some sort of Pajero I hadn't seen before:



And this blue car that I have no idea about passed by my camera as I was taking a picture of Tower Bridge:

madeintaipei
Jul 13, 2012

Godzilla07 posted:


And this blue car that I have no idea about passed by my camera as I was taking a picture of Tower Bridge:



Matra Bagheera?

Mmmm...

Maybe Alpine 310?

madeintaipei fucked around with this message at 04:43 on Dec 31, 2022

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


The last car is a lotus excel, possibly an eclat excel.

I hope you saw the front of that Pajero because it looks to be a flying pug.

You Am I
May 20, 2001

Me @ your poasting

It is definitely a Lotus Excel. Good use of Rover SD1 tail lights, mounted upside down.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


I'm currently going through my Playboy archives and in doing some research on an actress I am looking through August 1979. Have some automobile related advertising/articles:





















If anyone has request for a month/year, let me know. I have from 1953 to 2016.

Humphreys fucked around with this message at 06:41 on Jan 2, 2023

Mr. Wiggles
Dec 1, 2003

We are all drinking from the highball glass of ideology.
I'll take one AMX and 2 le Cars please.

Rude Dude With Tude
Apr 19, 2007

Your President approves this text.

Godzilla07 posted:


And this blue car that I have no idea about passed by my camera as I was taking a picture of Tower Bridge:



It is indeed a Lotus Excel (and it needs to be repaired)


fridge corn
Apr 2, 2003

NO MERCY, ONLY PAIN :black101:
Lol

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


65,000 miles and still just as it left the factory, impressive.

Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

Electrical issues, that's weird

Olympic Mathlete
Feb 25, 2011

:h:


At the start of the pandemic I posted Will's work he put up for people to colour aaaaaand now he's done some more.

https://twitter.com/greatistheworld/status/1609630342305955840?t=uRsnCWNGxpB56VJ4NEQDDg&s=19

Darchangel
Feb 12, 2009

Tell him about the blower!


Olympic Mathlete posted:

At the start of the pandemic I posted Will's work he put up for people to colour aaaaaand now he's done some more.

https://twitter.com/greatistheworld/status/1609630342305955840?t=uRsnCWNGxpB56VJ4NEQDDg&s=19

Oh, most awesome!

Puddin
Apr 9, 2004
Leave it to Brak
Terrible, terrible news.
https://twitter.com/AndyLally/status/1610099525695201280?t=YN4yj1vmAmAp-Cr2FysxhA&s=19

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


I am sorry for a Vinwiki video but at least it's Travis:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3_9tTOHRLk

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Olympic Mathlete
Feb 25, 2011

:h:


https://twitter.com/dakar/status/1610331405896110083?t=Uj_iqfZgFoLHL3CGx1Hdig&s=19

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