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Seth Pecksniff posted:This can't go on past July or we risk a default, and I'm not sure even Republicans would let it go past another week or so. This is insanely embarrassing for them. I mean, the mainstream Republican party is hoping to force a default and think Biden will cave into their demands to (regressive insanity goes here).
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Seth Pecksniff posted:Punchbowl News just confirmed they're gonna gavel in and then the Republicans are going to make a motion to adjourn Dems should absolutely vote nay just to watch them squirm personally 
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Bellmaker posted:Dems should absolutely vote nay just to watch them squirm personally per WaPo, the dem leadership is whipping a nay vote on any pre-emptive adjournment today
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cr0y posted:What does that even achieve McCarthy apparently still doesn't have the votes to become Speaker. His chancers are definitely not helped by holding more votes where he fails to get elected, and gives even more opportunities for unhappy Republicans who have backed him so far to defect. The House must reconvene per yesterday's vote, but if they immediately adjourn again, he has more time to try to get the HFC to relent. It's far preferable to losing the Speakership election over and over.
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Mooseontheloose posted:I mean, the mainstream Republican party is hoping to force a default and think Biden will cave into their demands to (regressive insanity goes here). I think if it came to it Biden needs to basically have a public address to the nation and say "Owing to the debt clause of the 14th Amendment, we will continue to honor all debts made by the United States to our creditors" or something. I know the debt limit is law but also the 14th debt clause supercedes it and it's never been tested judicially
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Seth Pecksniff posted:I think if it came to it Biden needs to basically have a public address to the nation and say "Owing to the debt clause of the 14th Amendment, we will continue to honor all debts made by the United States to our creditors" or something. The Debt Limit is an interpretation of the law advanced by the Carter Administration. Prior to that, there was no doubt that the United States would fulfill its obligations.
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Harlock posted:And finally step 8, President Clinton this is the same bullshit he tried yesterday, except yesterday he pretended the democrats were going to sit out which is immeasurably more stupid than pretending that he'll get eleven defections from the hard no crowd he'll get no defections and eventually we'll end up with scalise or something boring chaos house is very funny
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Feels Villeneuve posted:per WaPo, the dem leadership is whipping a nay vote on any pre-emptive adjournment today Dem Leadership to the rest of the Dems: Hey...know what would be really funny?
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Congress is great at doing nothing until the last minute. The Rs somewhat reasonably see little need to rush if the senate isn't even around until the end of January. I think talk of July is waaaaay premature. Funny, but the odds of SOMETHING budging before then are high, even if we can't clearly identify the something yet.
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coelomate posted:Congress is great at doing nothing until the last minute. The Rs somewhat reasonably see little need to rush if the senate isn't even around until the end of January.
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Piell posted:https://twitter.com/Olivia_Beavers/status/1610680088881762314 https://twitter.com/Olivia_Beavers/status/1610680608988037125 Hehehe Day 2 starting with the drama already
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Piell posted:https://twitter.com/Olivia_Beavers/status/1610680088881762314 https://twitter.com/Olivia_Beavers/status/1610680608988037125 JEB!
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Piell posted:https://twitter.com/Olivia_Beavers/status/1610680088881762314 https://twitter.com/Olivia_Beavers/status/1610680608988037125 I can't wait to see who it is OP
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Right before the first vote, the house lights go dark and music begins playing. "Bah gawd, is that Sienema's music?" A true independent entity of chaos for a house of chaos!
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At this point the HFC is looking to humiliate McCarthy because he's gonna slowly bleed support with each successive vote
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Mooseontheloose posted:I mean, the mainstream Republican party is hoping to force a default and think Biden will cave into their demands to (regressive insanity goes here). Even in the House, there's only a few people crazy enough to actually want a default. The wealthy megadonors generally don't want the entire economy utterly destroyed. I severely doubt this is gonna drag on into summer. But if it does, we'll absolutely see some kind of drastic move to clear this impasse.
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Youth Decay posted:Gaetz still acting like a child Assuming no more members join and all Dems are there that's 434 - 351 = 41.5 missing which means ~20 vote lower threshold which means Speaker Jeffries
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Seth Pecksniff posted:Assuming no more members join and all Dems are there that's 434 - 351 = 41.5 missing which means ~20 vote lower threshold which means Speaker Jeffries Pretty sure it's just people being late, but we'll see
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Piell posted:Pretty sure it's just people being late, but we'll see Yeah it is but a man can dream!
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Jeffries had the plurality so I think Kevin is using a different definition of "most" than is legally recognized.
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I'm not mad, actually. This is what I wanted to happen.
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Voting for the guy who flipped from Kevin to Never Kevin is the most venal thing I've seen, but I wonder if this means he has agreed to more or less than what Kevin has been demanded
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"no one has ever done more for democracy than this man, who doesn't have the votes."
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This is a “not sinking like the titanic, but soaring like the Hindenburg” speech.
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I thought that Byron would be the least experienced speaker in US history if elected (he won't) but actually Henry Clay and William Pennington were both elected speaker as freshman.
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"Here, for the first time, there are two black Americans placed into nomination for the Speaker of the House." *tepid clapping* "oh, gently caress, I'm on camera, I'd better stand and clap!"
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