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Well, the capital is now very wet, but they seem to have cleared most of the insurrection out. A shame that they apparently flipped over one of the domes. https://twitter.com/BrianMteleSUR/status/1612203396945301504 https://twitter.com/davidrkadler/status/1612205398127149056
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Vintersorg posted:Rumours that Bannon helped organize this. Wouldn't be surprising at all. What the hell is it going to take to put that fat drunken rear end in a top hat behind bars?
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Charliegrs posted:Is this the kind of thing where the security forces are there, they just aren't in uniform and they are the ones doing the ransacking? Police escorted the chuds to the Three Powers Plaza. https://twitter.com/samiabomfim/status/1612160978552238080 And a freaking NAVY ADMIRAL with a position in the Department of Defense was there rioting and sending selfies. https://twitter.com/ocolunista_/status/1612204977010757635 Finally, the capital's secretary of public security is literally in Florida kissing Bolso's rear end right now. https://twitter.com/davidrkadler/status/1612174652763426817
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i still lol that smart phone is the number one thing for documenting your own crimes and of your pals.
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Set up prison labor camps for the fascists and put the indigenous peoples in charge. Have them work to replant the rainforest and work agriculture to produce food for the country.
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Somehow Brazil managed to do an even stupider insurrection than the US. I'm impressed.
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What was the plan here? Normally, as I understand, a coup works by, for example, a group in the military kidnaps the president, their leader says they're taking over, the rest of the military sides with them, and that's how it goes. A coup doesn't work by a gang taking over an empty office and taking selfies.
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SlothfulCobra posted:Well, the capital is now very wet, but they seem to have cleared most of the insurrection out. A shame that they apparently flipped over one of the domes.
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ElegantFugue posted:how the gently caress did they do this, was a literal crane involved They all got one side and rocked it like flipping a car, obviously. Look up pics of that building from before today
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Jaxyon posted:They all got one side and rocked it like flipping a car, obviously. Okay this explains a lot, thank you
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StumblyWumbly posted:What was the plan here? Normally, as I understand, a coup works by, for example, a group in the military kidnaps the president, their leader says they're taking over, the rest of the military sides with them, and that's how it goes. A coup doesn't work by a gang taking over an empty office and taking selfies. It's actually extremely reassuring that both J6 and J8 show that fascist mobs have no idea how to do a coup. If a charismatic leader was at the head of either of those uprising, they could have delivered an address from the seized building, ordered the military to defend the nation, told supporters to get to the streets. Instead both showed a lack of any planning or understanding of politics outside of its basic symbolic associations (e.g capital building = power). Both ended because the rioters reached the "now what" stage and just got kind of bored of it all.
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extraneoussmelt posted:It's actually extremely reassuring that both J6 and J8 show that fascist mobs have no idea how to do a coup. If a charismatic leader was at the head of either of those uprising, they could have delivered an address from the seized building, ordered the military to defend the nation, told supporters to get to the streets. Instead both showed a lack of any planning or understanding of politics outside of its basic symbolic associations (e.g capital building = power). Both ended because the rioters reached the "now what" stage and just got kind of bored of it all. my favorite very stupid successful coup is probably Qaddafi's (may his spellings ever be many), but he actually did keep his eye on the ball and eventually bumbled into a national address and getting the military at large to like him slightly more than the guy he was trying to overthrow Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 02:53 on Jan 9, 2023 |
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StumblyWumbly posted:What was the plan here? Normally, as I understand, a coup works by, for example, a group in the military kidnaps the president, their leader says they're taking over, the rest of the military sides with them, and that's how it goes. A coup doesn't work by a gang taking over an empty office and taking selfies. Actually rushing the president's mansion and the congress worked for Sri Lanka. It happened in summer this year.
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I mean, it works when they are actually there.
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StumblyWumbly posted:What was the plan here? Normally, as I understand, a coup works by, for example, a group in the military kidnaps the president, their leader says they're taking over, the rest of the military sides with them, and that's how it goes. A coup doesn't work by a gang taking over an empty office and taking selfies. the 2019 coup in bolivia was basically large unrest leading to police and the military "suggesting" morales resign, its very possible the plan here was something like "stage protests to give the military a pretext to say 'we are stepping in to restore order'" or something like that. probably would have been smarter to actually make sure the military was willing to do it though.
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If you're capable of actually holding it, holding the halls of power is a potent symbol that can rally people your way / convince the military the legitimate government Doesn't Have What It Takes (tm) / scare the legitimate government into fleeing. Immediately getting kicked out like an hour after forcing your way in doesn't do any of that stuff but actually trying is still a prerequisite.
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StumblyWumbly posted:What was the plan here? Normally, as I understand, a coup works by, for example, a group in the military kidnaps the president, their leader says they're taking over, the rest of the military sides with them, and that's how it goes. A coup doesn't work by a gang taking over an empty office and taking selfies. We don't know yet, but it's unlikely to have been just "crowd charges halls of power." It's probable that something else, like a military assist, fell through in some way.
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lobster shirt posted:the 2019 coup in bolivia was basically large unrest leading to police and the military "suggesting" morales resign, its very possible the plan here was something like "stage protests to give the military a pretext to say 'we are stepping in to restore order'" or something like that. probably would have been smarter to actually make sure the military was willing to do it though. This is what they were hoping for. There's videos of the military/national guard arriving and all the bolsonarista's hooting and hollering in celebration because they thought they'd finally come to arrest Lula or whatever https://twitter.com/alanriossr/status/1612208526595883008?s=20&t=oSa1r2oxu5or9Y1xRD-IdA
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extraneoussmelt posted:It's actually extremely reassuring that both J6 and J8 show that fascist mobs have no idea how to do a coup. If a charismatic leader was at the head of either of those uprising, they could have delivered an address from the seized building, ordered the military to defend the nation, told supporters to get to the streets. Instead both showed a lack of any planning or understanding of politics outside of its basic symbolic associations (e.g capital building = power). Both ended because the rioters reached the "now what" stage and just got kind of bored of it all. The J6 plan was to kill anyone in congress who wanted to confirm Biden's election. J8 crew doesn't seem to have had a plan
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J8 plan seems to have been "kick up enough of a mess that the military intervenes in our favor." It's not necessarily a GOOD plan, seems kind of cargo cult "sometimes there's unrest and then the military coups" without understanding that unrest is usually the excuse taken by a military that wants to coup anyway, but it is, strictly speaking, a plan.
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stephenthinkpad posted:Actually rushing the president's mansion and the congress worked for Sri Lanka. It happened in summer this year. well, for certain values of 'worked' got the president to run away and get replaced with another shithead (an unpleasant old fart who's been prime minister about a billion times), at least
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For what it's worth, Bolsonaro has apparently condemned the protests and denied responsibility. https://twitter.com/jairbolsonaro/status/1612242019564548097 https://twitter.com/jairbolsonaro/status/1612242022143762433 Google Translate posted:Peaceful demonstrations, in the form of the law, are part of democracy. However, depredations and invasions of public buildings as occurred today, as well as those practiced by the left in 2013 and 2017, escape the rule. I think it is possible that Bolsonaro might not have been directly involved and it could've been some kind of errant crony or loose, uncoordinated ally. Fascism can be messy like that. Bolsonaro's rhetoric or more importantly lack thereof after the election doesn't seem to be what you'd expect from somebody trying to set up a supposed popular uprising. And of course we also have a direct comparison available from when he tried to pull something similar on 9/7 as well. Going to Florida is also a really weird move that adds a lot of complications to the plan.
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We don't know Bolsonaro's credentials to stay in the US but he potentially risks deportation, so he's saving face to cover his own rear end.
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StumblyWumbly posted:What was the plan here? Normally, as I understand, a coup works by, for example, a group in the military kidnaps the president, their leader says they're taking over, the rest of the military sides with them, and that's how it goes. A coup doesn't work by a gang taking over an empty office and taking selfies. A coup and an insurrection are different things. A coup is one segment of the existing power structure overthrowing the government by force. An insurrection is everyday citizens attempting that, sometimes without much of a plan or anyone involved having any idea how to actually pull off such a plot. If they don't have the support of at least a major component of the existing order, it will probably not end well for them. i fly airplanes posted:We don't know Bolsonaro's credentials to stay in the US but he potentially risks deportation, so he's saving face to cover his own rear end. Um presidente do Brasil who save face to cover he own rear end, um presidente vergonhoso
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lol if Bolsonaro looked at Assange and concluded " i cant trust gov. embassies. to hole up in, I need my allies"
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Was Bolsonaro particularly pro US and anti Russia after the Ukraine war? It's weird he is so buddy buddy with the FL crazies now.
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stephenthinkpad posted:Was Bolsonaro particularly pro US and anti Russia after the Ukraine war? It's weird he is so buddy buddy with the FL crazies now. Bolsonaro was too in love with Putin to be anti Russia
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Many Florida crazies love Putin, most prominently Trump. It's very common for these right wing authoritarian leaders to have some kind of respect for eachother.
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Bolsonaro's rear end is being excavated again. He still can't poo poo right.
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Tafferling posted:Bolsonaro's rear end is being excavated again. He still can't poo poo right. KFC will do that to you.
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So let get this straight, Bolsonaro leaves Brazil for Florida days before a failed coup attempt he claims to know nothing about after its failed and curiously comes down with severe abominal pain requiring hospitalization after calls for his extradition. Hmmmmm.....
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Kale posted:So let get this straight, Bolsonaro leaves Brazil for Florida days before a failed coup attempt he claims to know nothing about after its failed and curiously comes down with severe abominal pain requiring hospitalization after calls for his extradition. Hmmmmm..... the worst case of havana syndrome yet
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Tafferling posted:Bolsonaro's rear end is being excavated again. He still can't poo poo right. I hope the Bolsonaro is successfully removed from the poo poo and the poo poo can have a fully, productive life.
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LOL it's funny to see that Brasil has a stronger and more competent Democracy than the United States. US is a total banana republic. Brasil immediately arrested all of these coupists and they are all going to go to jail for 30 years. US couldn't even defend their own capital in a similiar situation. loving Amazing. CameronisGod fucked around with this message at 15:58 on Jan 10, 2023 |
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I think it makes a big difference that Lula was already in power - in a situation like January 6 where Bolsonaro was still president there’s no way those people would have been arrested
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CameronisGod posted:LOL it's funny to see that Brasil has a stronger and more competent Democracy than the United States. US is a total banana republic. Lula was already sworn in, Bolsonaro in Florida, and the crowd still took over the parliament, the president's palace and the supreme court. They got that far because the government couldn't trust the police and military. That is not what a competent and strong democracy looks like.
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Also Biden wasn't imprisoned and prevented to run in the previous election in a case where the judge in his case becoming Trump's justice minister.
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Nenonen posted:Lula was already sworn in, Bolsonaro in Florida, and the crowd still took over the parliament, the president's palace and the supreme court. They got that far because the government couldn't trust the police and military. That is not what a competent and strong democracy looks like. Yes but all those locations were empty. The Jan 6th folks marched into congress in a session certifying election results...
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CameronisGod posted:Yes but all those locations were empty. And were met with a hail of bullets. Meanwhile nobody tried to stop the Brazil demonstrators, because there was not a single trustworthy policeman there.
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Nenonen posted:And were met with a hail of bullets. Meanwhile nobody tried to stop the Brazil demonstrators, because there was not a single trustworthy policeman there. Wait, pardon? From what I saw they absolutely were not met with "a hail of bullets". Do you mean some of them were fired upon, because that's true. But to say they were resisted that much doesn't seem to tally with the events as depicted.
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