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Sash! posted:I sort of enjoy the part where they didn't even make an effort to try to find someone that vaguely resembles the sort of look that Wesley could possibly grow up into. He was a teenager for crying out loud. Yeah you look different as an adult but not "I grew three feet and now have a Batman chin for some reason." QRiker felt sorry for wes and threw in a few upgrades.
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Grand Fromage posted:It is kinda funny how hosed up everyone looked in their old age makeup compared to how much better they look now as actual olds. Old Picard in The Inner Light looks like beige taco meat but I guess that was because he was ravaged by the radiation from that hosed up sun. Sash! posted:I sort of enjoy the part where they didn't even make an effort to try to find someone that vaguely resembles the sort of look that Wesley could possibly grow up into. He was a teenager for crying out loud. Yeah you look different as an adult but not "I grew three feet and now have a Batman chin for some reason." HIS EYES ARE BLUE. This also happens when Kira meets her younger self, baby blues. Screw child labor regulations, put contacts on her! A Very Sexy Baby fucked around with this message at 00:42 on Jan 13, 2023 |
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FISHMANPET posted:Porthos & Water Polo. Archer was an "Ugly American" as an explorer. Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway and in our new incarnations Pike and Freeman all have a spark of curiosity and open mindedness to them. Archer is kinda closed minded for what we think of a Federation Captain and if they had done it right they could of handled it as a thing where he becomes full of wonderment and awe but he is kinda stubborn and you're not my real dad to the Vulcan's especially in first two seasons. Which is a shame because Scott Bakula had so much potential for the role.
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You trek thread posters, you’re always gettin mad. That’s what the posters in the wars thread are saying at least
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Timby posted:Can we loving not? This is as tiresome as the "lol Keiko's such a bitch" stuff that pops up every now and again. I agree with this post
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Mooseontheloose posted:Archer was an "Ugly American" as an explorer. Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway and in our new incarnations Pike and Freeman all have a spark of curiosity and open mindedness to them. Archer is kinda closed minded for what we think of a Federation Captain and if they had done it right they could of handled it as a thing where he becomes full of wonderment and awe but he is kinda stubborn and you're not my real dad to the Vulcan's especially in first two seasons. The other end of things - being convincing when things get serious - didn't work out either IMO. Bakula gave a good speech, but I never felt he hit his stride on getting his game face on. It's an important thing for a Space Captain, and all the other captains have nailed it. Even George Takei nailed it - "Fly her apart, then!" It's difficult, since you have to determined and enraged and serious and restrained all at the same time. Maybe just another thing to lay at the feet of bad writing though. It helps to have a great setup and good lines.
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I've never watched much Enterprise, but it always seemed like they completely wasted Bakula, whom I regard as a good guy and good actor.
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Timby posted:Can we loving not? This is as tiresome as the "lol Keiko's such a bitch" stuff that pops up every now and again.
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I've been watching Enterprise for the first time over the past week, and am almost done with the first season. And it's...fine? It's not high art, but it's not actively contemptuous of me for watching it (lookin' at you, Picard). Also Jolene Blalock's the loving MVP - T'Pol is by far my favorite character.
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:I've never watched much Enterprise, but it always seemed like they completely wasted Bakula, whom I regard as a good guy and good actor. Baks does his best with the poo poo he's given, but yeah for like 75% of the show he's just wasted on lovely writing. Only rarely, usually in Season 4 for the most part, do they realize that Scott Bakula is a charismatic, likeable dude and write Jonathan Archer appropriately as such instead of a miserable pigheaded rear end in a top hat.
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I've still only ever seen the pilot and one other episode, but even I could smell the network note of "make him more Kirk." Which is weird, because he's nothing like him. But he is like what Rick Berman and a bunch of suits thinks he was like.
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Mooseontheloose posted:Archer was an "Ugly American" as an explorer. Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway and in our new incarnations Pike and Freeman all have a spark of curiosity and open mindedness to them. Archer is kinda closed minded for what we think of a Federation Captain and if they had done it right they could of handled it as a thing where he becomes full of wonderment and awe but he is kinda stubborn and you're not my real dad to the Vulcan's especially in first two seasons. Yeah, and there were even some glimmers of that in Season 4 where he's got PTSD over everything he did in the Delphic Expanse and feels like he lost whatever spirit he had of being an explorer. Sadly the previous 3 seasons don't really bear that out and Season 4 doesn't give the character enough time to develop further.
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LividLiquid posted:I've still only ever seen the pilot and one other episode, but even I could smell the network note of "make him more Kirk." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yus3e107X3Y This is from functionally the last scene of the last real episode of Enterprise, and this is probably the person Jonathan Archer should have been the whole drat time, this frontiersman diplomat who's going out into the unknown with the intent to befriend it and build the first layer of what would be a galaxy-altering juggernaut. Rather than some winy, entitled pissant who plays loving water polo, the second douchiest rich white person sport after actual polo.
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Do you think the Duras family owned a lot of durasteel, or is that a star wars material I can't remember
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John Wick of Dogs posted:Do you think the Duras family owned a lot of durasteel, or is that a star wars material I can't remember Yeah, Durasteel is Star Wars. Star Trek at least tries to use more actual scientastic sounding names like tritanium and transparent aluminum rather than like durasteel and plastisteel and whatever cartoony poo poo Star Wars just makes up to try and come up with an in universe explanation for why everything is made out of plastic and polystyrene and carpentry wood.
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Fighting Trousers posted:I've been watching Enterprise for the first time over the past week, and am almost done with the first season. And it's...fine? It's not high art, but it's not actively contemptuous of me for watching it (lookin' at you, Picard). Also Jolene Blalock's the loving MVP - T'Pol is by far my favorite character. I was surprised how often they reference one particular episode throughout the season because I've forgotten a lot of the little details of this show after not watching it since it aired 20+ years ago now. It doesn't really amount to much though. and yes you are correct that T'Pol is a lot better than I remember and easily the best thing the show had going for it. I think Trip is mostly fine after a few episodes when he calms down a bit. Phlox is good outside of Dear Doctor.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I also just finished it and the problem for me is that most of the episodes are boring retreads of other Trek episodes. Plus the Suliban are boring. I used to think Jolene Blalock wasn't a very good actor, especially as T'Pol but I now know the full context of everything she was struggling against on the set of Enterprise, namely scripts she hated and a lecherous boss she also hated in Rick Berman who degraded her at every turn, so the undercurrent of seething, teeth-gritted frustration that stymies a lot of T'Pol's lines makes SO much more sense now. I haven't rewatched basically anything of Enterprise outside of YouTube clips here and there since it went off the air, but if I did, I think I'd be much more appreciative of her work on it than I once was.
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Yeah it's rarely good to write off an actor just because of bad performances in one thing, as you have no idea what's going on behind the scenes. Just look at some of the terrible performances Lucas managed to get at legitimately great actors in the prequel trilogy through terrible scripts/directing. I've heard from some actor mates this WKYK sketch brings up painful memories for many actors: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABxH-NTF0SM
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nine-gear crow posted:I used to think Jolene Blalock wasn't a very good actor, especially as T'Pol but I now know the full context of everything she was struggling against on the set of Enterprise, namely scripts she hated and a lecherous boss she also hated in Rick Berman who degraded her at every turn, so the undercurrent of seething, teeth-gritted frustration that stymies a lot of T'Pol's lines makes SO much more sense now. I haven't rewatched basically anything of Enterprise outside of YouTube clips here and there since it went off the air, but if I did, I think I'd be much more appreciative of her work on it than I once was. She basically looks like it's taking all her willpower to keep her eyes from rolling out of her head at all times and honestly I'm here for it. (She deserved so much better than Rick Berman's poo poo. And the terrible jumpsuits. And the awful wig)
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Voyager & Enterprise both had the very odd, unfortunate distinction of casting a female actor purely as eye candy but then having her turn out to be the best actor and character on the show despite that.
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The grim alternate reality of Jeri Ryan being a bad actress...that's probably the offshoot that makes the mirror universe.
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External Organs posted:The grim alternate reality of Jeri Ryan being a bad actress...that's probably the offshoot that makes the mirror universe. It does result in John McCain being president, so yeah, mirror universe.
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External Organs posted:The grim alternate reality of Jeri Ryan being a bad actress...that's probably the offshoot that makes the mirror universe. So, yeah. I think my space mom being the nexus point of universes sounds about right.
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Fire poisons the sky, trees gone water dry
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Arivia posted:It does result in John McCain being president, so yeah, mirror universe.
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dr_rat posted:Yeah it's rarely good to write off an actor just because of bad performances in one thing, as you have no idea what's going on behind the scenes. Oh god yeah, the Obi-Wan show was incredibly mid and just "okay", but two of its best moments showcase just how amazing Hayden Christensen could have been as Anakin Skywalker AND Darth Vader if he had a better writer and director to work with than George Lucas, even a mildly more better one in Obi's case.
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Hayden Christensen was outstanding in Shattered Glass. Dude's not a bad actor. It's just that, as has been said, George Lucas isn't exactly the world's greatest screenwriter and director. Very talented guy in so many areas, brilliant even, but hiring Irvin Kershner to direct TESB (and Lawrence Kasdan to do the screenplay) was the best idea of his entire career. Same for Richard Marquand directing ROTJ. There are moments in ROTS where you can almost see what could have been, but it was ultimately farted up by Lucas surrounding himself by people absolutely terrified to tell him "No." or "Maybe we do it this way." Like a sort of nerd Stalin.
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nine-gear crow posted:Yeah, Durasteel is Star Wars. Star Trek at least tries to use more actual scientastic sounding names like tritanium and transparent aluminum rather than like durasteel and plastisteel and whatever cartoony poo poo Star Wars just makes up to try and come up with an in universe explanation for why everything is made out of plastic and polystyrene and carpentry wood. I never thought durasteel and plastisteel were actual descriptions so much as brand names in the Star Wars universe. "Tired of patching holes in your hull? You don't need more metal. You need a DurasteelTM hull!"
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Nothing is worst than flimsiplast - which is acrylic sheets used instead of paper. I much, much prefer Star Trek's taxctile and even their holographic interfaces. And that's even taking into account trying to fill out holograph incident reports.
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Sir Lemming posted:Voyager & Enterprise both had the very odd, unfortunate distinction of casting a female actor purely as eye candy but then having her turn out to be the best actor and character on the show despite that. To be fair, one of the reasons they were the best actors was because the human cast were generally told to play boring and dull. Ryan got a pass because she was Borg and so they let her do wild things like 'emote'.
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MikeJF posted:QRiker felt sorry for wes and threw in a few upgrades. yeah it was riker projecting a few things. show alot of self control riker didnt fight Q with BDE.
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Gonz posted:Hayden Christensen was outstanding in Shattered Glass. Dude's not a bad actor. It's just that, as has been said, George Lucas isn't exactly the world's greatest screenwriter and director. Very talented guy in so many areas, brilliant even, but hiring Irvin Kershner to direct TESB (and Lawrence Kasdan to do the screenplay) was the best idea of his entire career. Same for Richard Marquand directing ROTJ. It's got to be hard to act to/in front of a greenscreen and be convincing. It says a lot about Bob Hoskins' (largely, imo) underrated talent that he was able to pull it off so well.
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Grand Fromage posted:It is kinda funny how hosed up everyone looked in their old age makeup compared to how much better they look now as actual olds. Keep in mind that was in the 80s/90s, though, with a contemporary eye to what an aged-up person might look like. I feel like people just used to visibly age harder. Remember that image making the rounds a while back of Cliff and Norm from Cheers, pointing out that both actors were in their mid-30s? We've generally gotten smarter about the damage that smoking and UV exposure can do to your skin, Hollywood people doubly so because it's career-relevant. To say nothing of all the various aesthetic procedures available now, of which surgery is only one component.
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I mean hell, Bill Murray was like 33 during the filming of Ghostbusters.
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nine-gear crow posted:Yeah, Durasteel is Star Wars. Star Trek at least tries to use more actual scientastic sounding names like tritanium and transparent aluminum rather than like durasteel and plastisteel and whatever cartoony poo poo Star Wars just makes up to try and come up with an in universe explanation for why everything is made out of plastic and polystyrene and carpentry wood. Everyone posted:I never thought durasteel and plastisteel were actual descriptions so much as brand names in the Star Wars universe. "Tired of patching holes in your hull? You don't need more metal. You need a DurasteelTM hull!" In fairness, duralumin is a real-life aluminum alloy, and it's been around long enough that it was used in zeppelins and WW1 aircraft. Although it got the name not because it's especially durable, but after Düren, the town in Germany where it was invented.
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