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My tier ranking with explanations as needed: S: FE9/FE10 A: Awakening (primarily due to bringing the series back from the brink… we’re lucky that we can debate the series as we do now  ), Echoes, Stones, Blazing SwordB: 3H, Conquest C: FE6, FE11, FE12, Birthright C-: Revelation Haven’t played: Genealogy, but I read Metis’s LP, seems cool, will play if there’s an Echoes style remake Thracia When it comes to this series, I like the fact that the developers are always trying to do something different. The games are mostly enjoyable in my opinion. I think reclassing is mostly okay, but I get why people are feeling burnt out on it seeing as how it’s been in the every game since the series got its second wind. I think the method Engage is using hits the right spot. You get rewarded with a new class if you think outside the box and use the rings with characters that may or may not be optimal. I think the flexibility in choosing what you want your characters to do and building your strategy from there is fine. I can also see how that could diminish the kind of map and objectives you can design if you have to design with an unbalanced lineup in mind. Next weekend is going to be a lot of fun
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Jan 14, 2023 01:45
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Delphisage posted:If only it was possible to levelbuild with FE10. This would ruin everything I like about Radiant Dawn.
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Jan 14, 2023 01:47
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Endorph posted:fe10 would be a much, much worse video game if the dawn brigade was good. they could have done with more chapters so they could keep up in endgame without favoritism but the fact that they're underpowered leads to the most fun gameplay in the series. Counterpoint: every Part 3 Dawn Brigade map feels like poo poo because you end up turtling in a corner, wondering desperately why Edward explodes if a cat laguz looks at him funny.
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Jan 14, 2023 01:50
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I thought FE3H was like mid to good on release. Maddening made me put it in good to great. Repeating White Clouds is dull until the game makes you optimise White Clouds so you can keep up with the enemy. I enjoyed the monastery when it became a game about carefully training and ensuring that my students came out of the first half absolutely perfect, instead of a thing that barely mattered because lol nothing is actually going to challenge me. Mapping out stuff like the early Catherine recruitment alongside early Leonie was satisfying for me, even if there were downsides like fishageddon 2022. And yeah just the sheer joy I got from finally cracking the game wide open with character builds that nobody else had thought of before was really satisfying. Playing PoR for the first time, I'm struck by how little creativity there is in unit building and I just miss that aspect from Three Houses a lot. Like my Oscar is just poo poo, there's nothing I can do to make him not poo poo, or even remotely functional, so into a corner he goes never to see the light of day again, despite hours of time invested into him.
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Jan 14, 2023 01:50
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Tbh I just hate having characters who just suck. Dawn Brigade is mostly not under that threshold but they are on the line. Fiona is just infuriating. I don't think every character should be exactly the same or anything, I would just like a base level of usuability through most of the game or at very least a genuine niche. I guess this is my equivalent of being disappointed the right answer is always 'wyvern' in 3H. I just don't enjoy the game when they give you a character but then it feels like you are being punished if you like and want to use that character. All that said, my personal threshold for a character that 'sucks' is way, way different than most of the FE fandom, I'm not exactly asking them to get rid of Neimis and Amelias, I love those gals and it's ok for not every unit to be Optimal. I can still have fun playing with them even if they are 'bad'. Endorph posted:i mean the game is not balacned around the newgame+ stuff at all and gauging exactly what benchmarks you'd be at if you were playing the game 'legit' every chapter is a pain in the rear end. i want to play the balanced video game by just hitting 'new game,' not having to gauge exactly what balance would be or engaging with the tedium of the monastery. Oh that makes sense!
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Jan 14, 2023 01:52
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Natural 20 posted:
This is something I like about the older, lower growth rate games. Sometimes somebody just turns out like poo poo and you either need to work around them or sub them out. It’s sometimes nice when an all star just shits the bed from RNG and someone you normally wouldn’t bother trying gets a chance to shine. The older games have such big rosters you’re never really going to get hurt by someone not turning out well.
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Jan 14, 2023 01:59
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Honestly, the Dawn Brigade isn't even really bad across the board. They've got some weird growths, but a decent chunk of them are solid. Nolan being basically an axe Myrmidon works great, Aran is basically the buffed Knight people keep asking for, all the tanking ability without the move penalty or weakness, Laura's got problems but having the best offensive growths in the game aren't an issue, Jill and Zihark are just fine, Edward's only major issue is that Zihark exists pre-trained with a better affinity, and Sothe only really falls off at the end from his lovely final class, arbitrarily plot-locked promotion, and thief stuff being increasingly irrelevant. As far as I can recall, it's basically just Leonardo, who pumped all his growths into the most useless stats, and Meg, who dumped the traditional strong points of Knights for Peg Knight growths, and Fiona, who just suffers from basically needing to grind a stoned priest to catch up, who are outright bad. Let them catch up a little in their first part 4 map and a bunch of them work just fine through the end.
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Jan 14, 2023 02:00
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Funky Valentine posted:Counterpoint: every Part 3 Dawn Brigade map feels like poo poo because you end up turtling in a corner, wondering desperately why Edward explodes if a cat laguz looks at him funny. That's only 3 maps (well 2, 1 is dropping rocks on a 13 year old's escort because your team has no chance in a fair fight) and they're all great. Even the fog of war one. Also love the games where you can deploy your whole army and have to find a use for like Valbar or whoever. That's always fun.
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Jan 14, 2023 02:04
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Genuinely the story telling in the rock pushing map rules. Other games wish they could blend story and gameplay so well.
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Jan 14, 2023 02:05
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 I haven't played 10, Echoes, or Thracia yet, so that's my rough ranking without putting a ton of thought into it. Putting FE4 that low feels kind of bad, because I think it's a super cool game, but I think the lack of deployment limits and sheer map size just make it kind of a slog to physically play. Also, FE6 is hard for me to rank, because sometimes I find that game massively frustrating to play, and it can be annoying to have such a clear power gap between units. However, sometimes I think it's one of the most satisfying feelings ever to be given 30 piece-of-trash units and cobble together a functional, maybe even kinda good army out of these jobbers and nincompoops from across Elibe. So I can see it going higher or lower on my rankings depending on my mood that day lol.
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Jan 14, 2023 02:05
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Shiny777 posted:Honestly, the Dawn Brigade isn't even really bad across the board. They've got some weird growths, but a decent chunk of them are solid. Nolan being basically an axe Myrmidon works great, Aran is basically the buffed Knight people keep asking for, all the tanking ability without the move penalty or weakness, Laura's got problems but having the best offensive growths in the game aren't an issue, Jill and Zihark are just fine, Edward's only major issue is that Zihark exists pre-trained with a better affinity, and Sothe only really falls off at the end from his lovely final class, arbitrarily plot-locked promotion, and thief stuff being increasingly irrelevant. As far as I can recall, it's basically just Leonardo, who pumped all his growths into the most useless stats, and Meg, who dumped the traditional strong points of Knights for Peg Knight growths, and Fiona, who just suffers from basically needing to grind a stoned priest to catch up, who are outright bad. It's partially FE fandom's obsession with calling any unit that isn't in the top 5% of the game's units garbage.
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Jan 14, 2023 02:06
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Funky Valentine posted:Counterpoint: every Part 3 Dawn Brigade map feels like poo poo because you end up turtling in a corner, wondering desperately why Edward explodes if a cat laguz looks at him funny.
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Jan 14, 2023 02:07
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Heads up: The game is leaking either now or very soon. There are shots of the special edition art book out with some characters completely unseen in previews.
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Jan 14, 2023 02:08
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i'd like to go back and try radiant dawn as an adult that knows how to play FE games rather than a moronic gamefaqs poisoned teenager. in the same vein of "don't use marcus ever", i'd used an FAQ that really hated meg and fiona and made it sound like ever letting them see a round of combat was wasteful i know fiona's ludicrously hard to use but i believe it turns out meg is serviceable enough? but i never let her enter a fight
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Jan 14, 2023 02:12
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Endorph posted:i dont do that actually Whag do you normally do with Edward and Leonardo in Part 3? I already tend to use Edward over Zihark (Wrath is really good and saves durability compared with Adept), but Leonardo is just so bad.
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Jan 14, 2023 02:12
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How is this game out in a week
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Jan 14, 2023 02:13
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Sudden Javelin posted:i'd like to go back and try radiant dawn as an adult that knows how to play FE games rather than a moronic gamefaqs poisoned teenager. in the same vein of "don't use marcus ever", i'd used an FAQ that really hated meg and fiona and made it sound like ever letting them see a round of combat was wasteful Delphisage posted:Whag do you normally do with Edward and Leonardo in Part 3? I already tend to use Edward over Zihark (Wrath is really good and saves durability compared with Adept), but Leonardo is just so bad.
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Jan 14, 2023 02:14
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Endorph posted:eh, meg can sort of contribute a little bit in her join chapter but getting long term use out of her requires some favoritism. if you do put that favoritism in she helps a lot in the dawn brigade's part 3 chapters, but she's still not amazing. those gamefaqs guides were basically right about them not being very good. Doesn't she get ORKO by the tigers?
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Jan 14, 2023 02:15
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Hellioning posted:Doesn't she get ORKO by the tigers?
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Jan 14, 2023 02:16
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Endorph posted:eh, meg can sort of contribute a little bit in her join chapter but getting long term use out of her requires some favoritism. if you do put that favoritism in she helps a lot in the dawn brigade's part 3 chapters, but she's still not amazing. those gamefaqs guides were basically right about them not being very good. Hm, reasonable answer. The problem with Meg is always the same: Aran is just better in every way as a tank, and Zihark and Edward are better in every way as swordfighters. I also tend to give Fiona favoritism among the Daeins, since there's only so many times I can bring Nephenee to the Endgame without getting bored.
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Jan 14, 2023 02:17
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She definitely doesn't get doubled and killed by tigers on EN Normal/JP Hard, I usually have her plug a spot up north even if I'm not trying to use her that run. I don't think she gets one-rounded even on Hard/Maniac but it's been way too long since my lone run on that difficulty to be 100% sure.
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Jan 14, 2023 02:19
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RevolverDivider posted:This is something I like about the older, lower growth rate games. Sometimes somebody just turns out like poo poo and you either need to work around them or sub them out. It’s sometimes nice when an all star just shits the bed from RNG and someone you normally wouldn’t bother trying gets a chance to shine. The older games have such big rosters you’re never really going to get hurt by someone not turning out well. Right but I'm probably not playing the game again. Like this works on the assumption that you'll play the Fire Emblem game more than once. But I've invested my time in getting to know Oscar, unlocking supports, having him tool around with his brothers and now having him in my army makes it more likely that my other characters die. Like it's nice that there are later recruits, but it's also just kinda poo poo that my Ilyana, who I love, is useless and just gets deleted because Calil is better than her in every possible way.
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Jan 14, 2023 02:20
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i mean do you mean fe9 or fe10 because i wouldnt really say theres that big a gap between calill and ilyana in either game
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Jan 14, 2023 02:24
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learn to love calill
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Natural 20 is playing an ironman of FE9.
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Jan 14, 2023 02:25
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couldnt you just feed oscar/ilyana stat boosters if you want them to be good fe9 has a pretty high amount of stat boosters
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Jan 14, 2023 02:26
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Yeah I generally horde stat boosters so that if I really want someone to be usable by god I will force it to happen in pre Awakening games.
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Jan 14, 2023 02:29
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Endorph posted:i mean do you mean fe9 or fe10 because i wouldnt really say theres that big a gap between calill and ilyana in either game Calil has better magic, speed and has access to every siege tome, it's not even close. Everyone yelled at me for hoarding my stat boosters so I spent them all on Ike and Nephenee.
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Jan 14, 2023 02:31
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part of teenage brain poison was also not using any stat boosters ever think i ended up abandoning my mia in FE9 when just a couple boosters would've been enough to keep her viable
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Jan 14, 2023 02:32
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deploying two sages is pretty reasonable with the amount of deployment slots fe9 tends to give you and the fact that calill is knives instead of staves
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Jan 14, 2023 02:32
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You can also have an issue where multiple characters get screwed. RIP that cursed first PoR run where Mia, Oscar, Marcia and Rolf were all strength screwed to pretty ridiculous degree. I did manage to have a weirdly blessed Boyd and Ilyana though.
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Jan 14, 2023 02:34
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Endorph posted:deploying two sages is pretty reasonable with the amount of deployment slots fe9 tends to give you and the fact that calill is knives instead of staves Oh right but Soren is also just better than Ilyana. And also kinda important because he's at B support with Ike right now. Limited supports also suck. I want all my characters to be friends and I hate that my Jill can't be best friends with Mist if I want her to be best friends with Lethe.
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Jan 14, 2023 02:34
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If you don't enjoy the older style of Fire Emblem before FE13, you don't have to keep playing it.
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Jan 14, 2023 02:39
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all you need to do to solve your problem is be me and have some kind of weirdly consistent blessing that gives all your ilyanas improbably fantastic levels. skill issue, tbh
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Jan 14, 2023 02:40
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Mages are just kinda bad compared to other options in PoR. There's several reasons for that (low movement, low might exacerbated by only basic tomes being forgeable, higher enemy Res compared to Def than most games in the series) but also PoR is one of the easiest games in the series so who really cares if a character is suboptimal. Use Ilyana and Rolf if you want to.
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Jan 14, 2023 02:42
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Delphisage posted:If you don't enjoy the older style of Fire Emblem before FE13, you don't have to keep playing it. I'm having fun, there are just obvious problems to me with certain mechanics. WrightOfWay posted:Mages are just kinda bad compared to other options in PoR. There's several reasons for that (low movement, low might exacerbated by only basic tomes being forgeable, higher enemy Res compared to Def than most games in the series) but also PoR is one of the easiest games in the series so who really cares if a character is suboptimal. Use Ilyana and Rolf if you want to. Eh, I thought that too and then I didn't deploy my coked up Neph, Tanith or Astrid on the map with Naesala and three people died. I do use Rolph though because mine's speed blessed and has a Brave bow for quads.
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Endorph posted:fe10 would be a much, much worse video game if the dawn brigade was good. they could have done with more chapters so they could keep up in endgame without favoritism but the fact that they're underpowered leads to the most fun gameplay in the series. You can be underpowered without the characters themselves being dogshit, there's other ways to stack the deck against you other than "These characters just have garbage stats and growths"
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Jan 14, 2023 03:23
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The goal with the Dawn Brigade was for them to be scrappy desperate underdogs compared to the other perspectives. You can achieve that by either making the Dawn Brigade characters kind of awkward and weak and have them fight against normal enemies, or you can make them average/good and have them fight against really strong enemies. The result is functionally the same, except the latter can create weird narrative issues like "why were the random dudes the dawn brigade was fighting super strong compared to the troops everyone else was fighting?"
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I mean like other people have said the dawn brigade isn't really that. Edward is fine, Nolan is really good, Sothe is Sothe, Volug is an okay jeigan laguz even if hes constrained by being a laguz, Aran joins a touch underleveled but can carry his weight on normal (JP hard), Tauroneo and the gang are all very good. Leonardo is bad, Ilyana is mediocre, and Fiona and Meg are useless, but it's not like the Dawn Brigade are literally useless garbage that cannot play the game. The dawn brigade are kind of scrappy underdogs, so they have to lean on whatever advantages they can get. Sometimes that's Volug, sometimes that's Sothe, sometimes that's Nailah, sometimes that's the Black Knight. Sometimes that's rocks, sometimes that's the 3-13 archer, sometimes that's the swamp. It's the best game design in the series.
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