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No Dignity posted:Making God real was fine imo and worked with what we'd seen all through the show from the Head characters, the fatal mistake was just Lee's loving Awesome Plan Even that could've worked if they really tied it properly into the physical breakdown of the fleet and their literal inability to sustain a high-tech civilisation.
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Arivia posted:I wonder how Voyager would have turned out if we got the Canadian version where Genevieve Bujold stuck around as Janeway BUT we also got Tom Jackson as Chakotay. On paper Tom Jackson is obviously a huge upgrade, but I still think the writing would have sunk him. You could argue that Jackson would have fought against the bullshit notes Highwater gave the writers, but  They were dead-set on having a generic mystical Native American because that stock character was all over early-mid 90s tv and I don’t think anything could have saved it from being offensive.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:On paper Tom Jackson is obviously a huge upgrade, but I still think the writing would have sunk him. You could argue that Jackson would have fought against the bullshit notes Highwater gave the writers, but Yeah, Beltran may have been bland but that was because he gave up in the face of the writing, if you watch the first few episodes you can see him with an actual character.
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Angry Salami posted:It wasn't named after Elon, it just smelled really bad. Maybe it was named after how bad Elon smells?
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External Organs posted:Huh...I don't think I remember the BSG finale at all... They have a big massive battle between Galactica and the Good Cylons vs. the Evil Cylons to rescue Helo and Athena's daughter from them, and then jump away from a black hole blindly and just completely randomly wind up at Earth, only it's 150,000 BC and there's like 100 indigenous humans on the planet, so Lee comes up with the brilliant idea of just dropping the Colonial survivors onto Earth with literally the clothes on their back and auto piloting the fleet into the Sun. Everyone agrees for some reason, then it cuts to 2009 AD with Ron Moore reading a National Geographic magazine article about how Hera was actually Mitochondrial Eve and Head Six and Head Baltar show up and go "Man, that was really loving stupid, wasn't it?" "Yeah, but God did it, so we just gotta live with it. Wanna gently caress?" THE END
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nine-gear crow posted:They have a big massive battle between Galactica and the Good Cylons vs. the Evil Cylons to rescue Helo and Athena's daughter from them, and then jump away from a black hole blindly and just completely randomly wind up at Earth, only it's 150,000 BC and there's like 100 indigenous humans on the planet, so Lee comes up with the brilliant idea of just dropping the Colonial survivors onto Earth with literally the clothes on their back and auto piloting the fleet into the Sun. Everyone agrees for some reason, then it cuts to 2009 AD with Ron Moore reading a National Geographic magazine article about how Hera was actually Mitochondrial Eve and Head Six and Head Baltar show up and go "Man, that was really loving stupid, wasn't it?" "Yeah, but God did it, so we just gotta live with it. Wanna gently caress?" Oh, and there was a montage of dancing robots.
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If you watch the Genevieve Bujold footage she just seems totally lost in her scenes. I don’t think it was ever going to work.
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Yeah, I've said it many times, but Voyager absolutely survived on Kate Mulgrew's charisma and force of personality shining through despite the writing. They were extremely lucky to get her.
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Whats the deal with all these Star Trek actors turning into Chuds.
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I don't think there's any great correlation, plenty of them are Hollywood libs or just normal it's only a couple pike Beltran and Schultz that seem to have gotten bad brains
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Hollismason posted:Whats the deal with all these Star Trek actors turning into Chuds. It's just Beltran and Schultz, right? And even then Beltran seems to be able to keep it in check enough to keep getting a Trek paycheck and still be fast friends with the rest of the Voyager cast who are all strident Hollywood Liberals, which is more than I can say about Dwight Schultz.
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nine-gear crow posted:It's just Beltran and Schultz, right? And even then Beltran seems to be able to keep it in check enough to keep getting a Trek paycheck and still be fast friends with the rest of the Voyager cast who are all strident Hollywood Liberals, which is more than I can say about Dwight Schultz. Beltran, Schultz, and iirc Sirtis now as well.
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Hollismason posted:Whats the deal with all these Star Trek actors turning into Chuds. Fun fact, I gather Shimerman was on the SAG board during DS9. E: Sirtis too?? What the heck. Did all the wine catch up to her or what
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Beltran, Schultz, and iirc Sirtis now as well. Must have been a fairly recent turn for Sirtis then because she spent the entirety of the Trump Administration just dunking on chuds of all stripes on Twitter.
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Jan 17, 2023 19:15
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Dunno, but she deleted her Twitter account when Elon bought it.
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A skim through Twitter looks like it was vaccine related, but given Twitter it could range from ‘disgruntlement with the mask mandates’ to ‘full-on antivaxx’.
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nine-gear crow posted:They have a big massive battle between Galactica and the Good Cylons vs. the Evil Cylons to rescue Helo and Athena's daughter from them, and then jump away from a black hole blindly and just completely randomly wind up at Earth, only it's 150,000 BC and there's like 100 indigenous humans on the planet, so Lee comes up with the brilliant idea of just dropping the Colonial survivors onto Earth with literally the clothes on their back and auto piloting the fleet into the Sun. Everyone agrees for some reason, then it cuts to 2009 AD with Ron Moore reading a National Geographic magazine article about how Hera was actually Mitochondrial Eve and Head Six and Head Baltar show up and go "Man, that was really loving stupid, wasn't it?" "Yeah, but God did it, so we just gotta live with it. Wanna gently caress?" Yeah, the true ending should have been the cylons ending the human scourge at new Cap, but alas - no such luck.
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as far as I know, Marina Sirtis has always been fine, she pissed off a lot of liberals by telling Lin-Manuel Miranda to shut up once so maybe that's mutated into "troi's a chud now"
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Is this about a few years ago when, on Twitter, Mara Wilson recalled an encounter with Sirtis where she said "Native Americans have no culture" after she blew up at Lin-Manuel Miranda? Which sounds really stupid but also kind of an isolated incident. edit: a little slow on the draw, I was googling the specifics. I'm kind of glad that I've never run into Dwight Schultz's chuddery in the wild.
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davidspackage posted:Is this about a few years ago when, on Twitter, Mara Wilson recalled an encounter with Sirtis where she said "Native Americans have no culture" after she blew up at Lin-Manuel Miranda? I only learned that Dwight Shcultz was a massive rear end in a top hat only when he started doing video game voice acting roles in the 00s, after Voyager had went off the air.
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The Chairman posted:as far as I know, Marina Sirtis has always been fine, she pissed off a lot of liberals by telling Lin-Manuel Miranda to shut up once so maybe that's mutated into "troi's a chud now" She was probably 100% right too, though I don't know the details.
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The Chairman posted:as far as I know, Marina Sirtis has always been fine, she pissed off a lot of liberals by telling Lin-Manuel Miranda to shut up once so maybe that's mutated into "troi's a chud now" Nah, it was vaccine poo poo and vague garden variety British immigrant panic stuff.
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No Dignity posted:Making God real was fine imo and worked with what we'd seen all through the show from the Head characters, the fatal mistake was just Lee's loving Awesome Plan the fatal problem with the bsg ending is needing the cult of daniel for the plot to make sense only for RDM to go "nope that's not it sorry didn't think of that" and provide literally 0 explanation of things happening otherwise
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I'm at the end of Season 6 for TNG and Season 1 for DS9 and it's been a collective nadir. There's been a handful of pretty mid TNG episodes like "Frame of Mind" and "Rightful Heir" and on the DS9 side you're getting an (a surprisingly anime) episode where O'Brien has to shout stories at a cloud so everyone's collective energy banishes it away from the planet or an episode where everyone's imaginations come alive so everyone can watch with great disgust as a fake Dax flirts with Bashir. There's an episode of DS9 where Kira has to evict an old farmer that most people dislike but out of the recent bunch that's been the best episode. I'm not even out of this slump yet. I've got a few more episodes to go before both shows give me a good episode again.
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DoubleCakes posted:I There's an episode of DS9 where Kira has to evict an old farmer that most people dislike but out of the recent bunch that's been the best episode. People dislike that episode? I think it's great character growth for Kira and a hint of the gray moral area episodes to come in the series.
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You've been listening to the wrong people (or just misremembered) because "Progress" (where Kira burns down the annoying farmer's house) is usually regarded as a season 1 highlight. It sounds like you've already seen at least one after that, so luckily you're just about 4 episodes away from the end, and two of those are "Duet" (one of the best of the entire series) and the finale which sets up a lot of stuff for the rest of the series instead of TNG leftovers.
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Kira burning down that dudes farm is hilarious overreaction.
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Tighclops posted:Lee Adama is history's greatest monster Pre-history's greatest monster. 
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Okay it's coming back to me. Can we get an AI remaster of BSG that puts Saturday Night Live caveman makeup on all the characters? Tyvm.
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DoubleCakes posted:I'm at the end of Season 6 for TNG and Season 1 for DS9 and it's been a collective nadir. There's been a handful of pretty mid TNG episodes like "Frame of Mind"... Gonna stop you right there. Frame of Mind is a great episode.
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I need to know the political affiliations of the actors in a show so I can decide whether I like the show or not.
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Lincoln posted:I need to know the political affiliations of the actors in a show so I can decide whether I like the show or not. The great irony; I love Reg Barclay as a character, but knowing he's played by a tremendous rear end in a top hat makes me 
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nine-gear crow posted:The great irony; I love Reg Barclay as a character, but knowing he's played by a tremendous rear end in a top hat makes me Hats off to Dwight Schultz's acting ability because he was really good at portraying a character completely unlike himself - one who is not a tremendous rear end in a top hat.
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Like for real, there is something deeply upsetting about knowing that Dwight Schultz as a person wants to make the world an objectively worse place to live in for people like Reginald Barclay
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Lincoln posted:I need to know the political affiliations of the actors in a show so I can decide whether I like the show or not. 
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Manny Coto also turned out to be a massive chud. I vaguely remember him tearing into Linda Park online sometime after Trump won.
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