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NieR Occomata posted:Yes, Mazin and Druckmann confirmed it on the companion podcast. According to them, it was too dry of an opening and made the show seem like a biology class. I can see their point; the first scene of the show being an intoned voiceover over what they did (which I loving loved) would give the impression that the show is more explanatory and pseudo-educational than it actually is. that does make sense. we don't really need to know how the virus works biologically in the last of us. the intro with the talk show let's us know how it happened in a scientific enough way to suspend disbelief and accept that what's basically a zombie virus has ruined the world.
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Jerusalem posted:I don't know who that is? It’s the new center-left talk show everyone is going on about. Danger fucked around with this message at 15:39 on Jan 18, 2023 |
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Gresh posted:Solid if unspectacular premiere episode. I haven't played the game that everyone constantly strokes their meat over so I don't really understand what everybody loves so much about this story/world so far which to me feels a lot like any other zombie apocalypse. I suppose that could change with more episodes. It's mature, gritty, and deep...Basically imagine every shorthand method of saying it's a game that finally got "Hollywood Senpai" to notice and acknowledge Vidya GaRmes could tell good stories and be considered art(because neither of these were possible or even things before this game apparently).
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TLOU is a perfectly fine 7/10 game cosplaying as a 10/10 game. The show is a near-perfect replica of that so far, for better or worse.
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I feel stupid I never made the Children of Men connection. SchwarzeKrieg posted:TLOU is a perfectly fine 7/10 game cosplaying as a 10/10 game. The show is a near-perfect replica of that so far, for better or worse. I would agree gameplay wise 7/10, but story wise it was a 10/10 game for me. I would say the same thing about the later Uncharted games (combat didn't evolve that much), but it did have 10/10 set pieces.
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Jan 18, 2023 18:43
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precision posted:Doubtful, anyone who gets bitten would just be killed, why take the chance? You do it yourself. if you're lucky, the infection won't spread.
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Jan 18, 2023 19:05
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this convo reminds me that i'm still kind of confused about the infection rules, and i can't remember if they more fully explain in the game and maybe it's coming in the show. so we see wheelchair gramma start twitching all weird and that's the first sign she's infected. how did she get infected? was it spores? i think i remember from some nature doc that cordyceps kinda spurt into the air to spread their spores but i could be wrong on that and not sure if that is how the zombies canonically work here. cause if so, sara's question about how they knew they weren't sick is a really good one, and also it suggest that the survivors have some level of natural immune resistance to spores. or maybe only if they are airborne instead of directly injected into your body? i know it actually doesn't matter and i'm happy to suspend disbelief but i was more curious if this is actually logiced out in-universe. also, people being mean to bella ramsey based on her looks bums me the gently caress out. i hope all of those assholes end up pasted to a wall somewhere by fungus.
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Apparently the main vector for cordycep infection is real life is ants going to the top of leaves and getting eaten by birds and stuff. I don't know what that means for the show I just thought it was neat.
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Shageletic posted:Apparently the main vector for cordycep infection is real life is ants going to the top of leaves and getting eaten by birds and stuff. I don't know what that means for the show I just thought it was neat. yea but how does it get in the ants in the first place? 
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Jan 18, 2023 19:53
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matureaudiencesonly posted:this convo reminds me that i'm still kind of confused about the infection rules, and i can't remember if they more fully explain in the game and maybe it's coming in the show. Someone earlier in the thread (or was it the spoiler thread?) mentioned a theory that people initially got infected via tainted flour which is why anyone who ate the biscuits/ cookies got sick but it isn’t proven. For what it’s worth in the game there is a newspaper article saying it was infected crops from South America
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Jan 18, 2023 19:56
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matureaudiencesonly posted:this convo reminds me that i'm still kind of confused about the infection rules, and i can't remember if they more fully explain in the game and maybe it's coming in the show. the show wants its audience to be where your head is at are right now basically
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Open Source Idiom posted:
Probably would be a good thing to not make civilians burn their corpses in the street.
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The implication from the work assignment queue Joel's in is that there are different daily jobs up for grabs and they pay at different levels. And as for the burning, I sure as gently caress wouldn't be just burying corpses with the deadly contagious zombie fungus in them.
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matureaudiencesonly posted:this convo reminds me that i'm still kind of confused about the infection rules, and i can't remember if they more fully explain in the game and maybe it's coming in the show. I think this is one of the areas where the show is gonna diverge from the game and flesh things out a lot more, the backstory on how the infection works and how it spread initially. We know that infection can spread via bites, that's established from the scene with the boy. Speculating a bit, I'm gonna say that the biscuits and baking being shown is telegraphing to us how the infection spread initially. Fungus infecting grain is a real thing, that's what ergot does.
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Jan 18, 2023 21:10
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Bugblatter posted:Yeah, Druckmann recently said in a few interviews that Children of Men was the initial inspiration for TLOU. It was a bit vindicating because in the past I was always told I was reading too much into the similarities when I pointed them out to people. There really are a lot of parallels with plot, characters, set pieces, and themes though. It’s largely the ending and nature of the pandemic that are different. I was going to say that The Girl with All the Gifts had to have been an influence on the game, but the book came out the year after the game, so they must have been written/developed at the same time. The movie adaptation is pretty good too, if anyone wants watch another take on a cordyceps-zombie post-apocalypse.
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spankmeister posted:I think this is one of the areas where the show is gonna diverge from the game and flesh things out a lot more, the backstory on how the infection works and how it spread initially. drat, so lifestyle gluten free people are even more smug and self-satisfied in TLOU universe? a fate worse than zombies for sure
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freebooter posted:The spoiler thread says that the kid at the start only gets euthanised after returning a positive test to the fungus? Which I totally missed, and if so, is much less brutal/evil than the (still understandable) alternative that they just straight up kill any outsiders seeking sanctuary. Yeah the scanner is red before she says "we're going to give you some medicine" after the kid doesn't answer how they got the bite
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How the infection spreads in the game is airborne - but they probably don't want people thinking about covid as they watch, and it's harder to act in a mask, so they changed it.Collateral posted:This is a joke, right? A new trend in joshing that the cool kids are doing on tiktok? Some people find it fun to point out these discrepancies in period pieces. Better Call Saul fans went nuts when Jimmy said a Simpsons quote that wouldn't become a meme until several years after the episode was set.
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Chamale posted:How the infection spreads in the game is airborne - but they probably don't want people thinking about covid as they watch, and it's harder to act in a mask, so they changed it. actually it can also spread through bites in the game
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matureaudiencesonly posted:yea but how does it get in the ants in the first place? Unmarried sex of course
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Chamale posted:Some people find it fun to point out these discrepancies in period pieces. Better Call Saul fans went nuts when Jimmy said a Simpsons quote that wouldn't become a meme until several years after the episode was set. Yeah it was a genuine question unrelated to the show. Just something that stuck out to me (the laundry tag placement) because I remember my teenage years having only shirts with tags behind my neck, which I always clipped off because of how annoying they were. I hung up laundry the other day and every single one of my t-shirts today just don’t have the laundry tag behind the neck anymore. Was just curious if this was a recent (2010s?) thing or if I’m having some kind of berenstein bears moment.
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I didn't notice it in the show, but I also happened to think about shirt tags somewhat recently, and how most of mine don't have the neck one that irritates your skin and/or keeps sticking up and out of the shirt anymore
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Jan 18, 2023 22:36
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Some of my shirts have the tag info printed on the inside by the neck now.
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Chamale posted:Some people find it fun to point out these discrepancies in period pieces. Better Call Saul fans went nuts when Jimmy said a Simpsons quote that wouldn't become a meme until several years after the episode was set. I don't remember this and Google is failing me, what was the quote?
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Chamale posted:Some people find it fun to point out these discrepancies in period pieces. Better Call Saul fans went nuts when Jimmy said a Simpsons quote that wouldn't become a meme until several years after the episode was set. Breaking Bad itself had something similar with a reference to Bin Laden dying, IIRC.
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My favorite is Jesse playing RAGE, a game that was not out in the time period the game was set, as some weird rear end corridor light gun shooter. Just the strangest product placement - why would iD want their game misrepresented that badly?
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Arist posted:I don't remember this and Google is failing me, what was the quote? "Saying the quiet part loud", when he was accusing the country club of throwing him out because he's Jewish
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Chamale posted:"Saying the quiet part loud", when he was accusing the country club of throwing him out because he's Jewish The Simpsons episode that is from aired in the mid 90s. Jimmy is just a big Simpsons nerd. This is canon
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At one point Jesse would have been watching Whitest Kids you Know sketches because the writers were fans. I think the Lincoln sketch specifically
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Boris Galerkin posted:Yeah it was a genuine question unrelated to the show. Just something that stuck out to me (the laundry tag placement) because I remember my teenage years having only shirts with tags behind my neck, which I always clipped off because of how annoying they were. I hung up laundry the other day and every single one of my t-shirts today just don’t have the laundry tag behind the neck anymore. Was just curious if this was a recent (2010s?) thing or if I’m having some kind of berenstein bears moment. When I screen printed tshirts in my freshman year of university, I ordered specific brands that had the side tag for comfort. That was 2003, so while they weren’t common and you had to specifically look for them, they did exist at the time of the show.
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Panic! At The Tesco posted:we don't really need to know how the virus works biologically in the last of us. the intro with the talk show let's us know how it happened in a scientific enough way to suspend disbelief and accept that what's basically a zombie virus has ruined the world. matureaudiencesonly posted:this convo reminds me that i'm still kind of confused about the infection rules, and i can't remember if they more fully explain in the game and maybe it's coming in the show. kliras posted:the exact logic and science behind the pandemic are pretty confusing at this point in the show Any amount of explanation for how zombies work is too much, because zombies don't work. The more we learn, the dumber it's going to be. I wish they'd left out all the fungus stuff and let it just be "there are zombies now; it's a mystery; shut up". "Realistic" zombies always end up being less realistic than just saying "magic's real and it makes zombies".
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That's dumb, they clearly want to give a semi-plausible cause for the sake of verisimilitude. That veneer being thin and not actually scientifically sound is true, but it's also irrelevant. It being random magic is much less scary and turns the show straight into The Walking Dead.
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Quasi-scientific explanations for zombiehood can make stories more interesting, imo. It allows survivors to strategize about the zombies, and think about how to defeat them Once and For All, in more interesting ways than “destroy all of the evil magic undead.”
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smug n stuff posted:Quasi-scientific explanations for zombiehood can make stories more interesting, imo. It allows survivors to strategize about the zombies, and think about how to defeat them Once and For All, in more interesting ways than “destroy all of the evil magic undead.” Or use it as self reflection as to what will doom us. The guy literally looks at the camera and says, global warming endangers us all.
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Arist posted:That's dumb, they clearly want to give a semi-plausible cause for the sake of verisimilitude. smug n stuff posted:Quasi-scientific explanations for zombiehood can make stories more interesting, imo. It allows survivors to strategize about the zombies, and think about how to defeat them Once and For All, in more interesting ways than “destroy all of the evil magic undead.” Mooseontheloose posted:Or use it as self reflection as to what will doom us. The guy literally looks at the camera and says, global warming endangers us all.
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World War Z, the book, has slow zombies caused by a virus. At several points, characters point out that zombies can survive being frozen solid, or walking on the bottom of the ocean, or going years without food, or being shot in the head with green tips, and say "This should be impossible, but it's happening anyway." 28 Days Later has fast zombies caused by a virus transmitted through body fluids. It completely overruns Britain in days, but some of the survivors outlast them by waiting for the zombies to starve to death. Night Of The Living Dead has slow, weak zombies caused by radiation from space. They're defeated by a posse armed with hunting rifles.
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Idk the fungus is better than magic, to me, because they show “hey this is a real thing that happens to ants. It evolved and now it’s doing the same thing but to us” It also explains why they look like that splayed out on the wall.
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The fungus is cool because the mushroom forms look cool. It makes for more fascinating designs than just bloody corpses.
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I think that in the show it's spread by food. They specifically mention pancake mix and other food. I have a hunch that food also spreads it based on them mentioning it in the show and Craig Mazin saying in the podcast that people paying close attention to the first ep will notice things brought up later in the show. I could be totally wrong but it makes as much sense as spores spreading it. As someone who has played both games I can't wait to see everyone's reaction to where the show goes. It's finally my opportunity to feel like Game of Thrones readers, though not quite on the same level. I will say the my favorite moment of the first ep is the out of focus granny twitching out in the background.
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I don’t think that it’s in the pancake mix. Prions as well as some fungal toxins can survive the heat of cooking, but spores just can’t. And I mean sure, it’s fiction, they can do what they want, but the 1968 scene talked about heat intolerance as well as some of these toxins. The context was different in the 1968 scene, but it’s a discrepancy that would be easy to catch and easy to write around.
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