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50 | 59.52% |
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No Safe Word posted:Bobby Abreu to me is like the quintessential edge case guy. Was really good for a decently long time, never MVP or even really top-10 level guy, fell short of most of the relevant milestones, but accumulated enough good seasons for things like WAR to make it look like he might belong. Players like Abreu make me wonder, should voters be using modified stats for guys that played in the steroid era? Of course he didn’t have the stats of guys like Bonds, but if we’re not going to vote Bonds because he juiced then why are we using his stats and accolades to determine how valuable Abreu was? Presumably Abreu’s WAR and OPS+ would improve a bit if you remove all the extreme outliers from his era that were on steroids. Maybe not a lot but maybe enough to bring him beyond fringe territory.
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Jan 24, 2023 02:46
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General Bullshit posted:They're say Croooooz and throwing beers to him to chug. It makes me so happy that this defense actually worked.
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Jan 24, 2023 02:52
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Sydin posted:It's a confluence of a lot of factors, some related to sports and others just kinda related to the general economic climate. Yeah sports teams are ridiculously overvalued at this point, but also the revenue streams going forward are kinda murky. Broadcast rights have always been the golden goose but RSN's are in complete retreat right now and the future of big fat TV deals is uncertain. This might even undersell the issue a bit, at least for broadcast rights. We’ve all been waiting around for the RSN bubble to pop, but there’s a chance it might implode and leave collateral damage. Mobile posting at the moment, but this kinda sums it up- https://seekingalpha.com/news/3918394-sinclair-broadcasts-diamond-sports-networks-potential-sale-may-fail-report tl;dr version- What happens when your rightsholders goes into bankruptcy? MLB/NBA/NHL were negotiating to buy the company which I assume went something like “give us all of your money or we detonate the bankruptcy bomb” but talks fell through last month. Imagine a year or two where Bally’s is still showing games, but not paying as the case works its way through the courts to some unknowable outcome. Basically, the bubble already burst and we are just waiting to see the impact. Good news though! There’s still a shitton of gambling money out there just looking for more ways to escape from the commercial breaks into the broadcast itself.
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Jan 24, 2023 03:03
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BigDumper posted:Players like Abreu make me wonder, should voters be using modified stats for guys that played in the steroid era? Of course he didn’t have the stats of guys like Bonds, but if we’re not going to vote Bonds because he juiced then why are we using his stats and accolades to determine how valuable Abreu was? Thing is, everyone was doing roids.
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Jan 24, 2023 03:11
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Buxton insurance
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Jan 24, 2023 03:18
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Pungry posted:https://twitter.com/Angels/status/1617656148148224001 GOD loving DAMNIT
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Jan 24, 2023 03:18
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Popete posted:Thing is, everyone was doing roids. True, but guys who are already off the ballot for steroids shouldn’t be used as a reference point that holds back guys on the ballot now. “Bobby Abreu was never a top 10 player” doesn’t mean anything if half the guys ahead of them were disqualified from the Hall for cheating.
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Jan 24, 2023 03:23
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https://twitter.com/BryanHoch/status/1617710838512500737 lol
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Jan 24, 2023 03:30
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listen I think Aaron Hicks is probably really talented as well, but just not at being a great MLB player also I like to read "everything's there" as in like "his locker is already all set up"
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Jan 24, 2023 03:32
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“Look, it costs more than you’d think to stitch new letters and numbers onto all those jerseys”
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Jan 24, 2023 03:33
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live with fruit posted:Moreno is the king of big dumb contracts so Ohtani's staying in Anaheim. Ohtani's gonna get whatever he wants on the open market
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Jan 24, 2023 03:37
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Agreed the Cubs will pay him a fortune and it will be worth it.
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Jan 24, 2023 03:41
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Peggy Edson posted:Buxton insurance 100%
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Jan 24, 2023 03:44
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No Safe Word posted:also I like to read "everything's there" as in like "his locker is already all set up" i would like to think of it as him being anatomically all in place, no pesky missing organs or appendages
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Jan 24, 2023 04:02
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So sorry, Angels fans. That statement sure reads like Moreno didn’t get the offer he wanted.
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Jan 24, 2023 04:04
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Intruder posted:Ohtani's gonna get whatever he wants on the open market Everyone has their limit.
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Jan 24, 2023 04:08
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Lol poor angels fans, what a dicktease
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Jan 24, 2023 04:57
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between the Arte backstab and the Bees moving to upper-middle class suburbia, it hasn't been a good week
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Jan 24, 2023 04:59
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Popete posted:the Cubs...pay....fortune lmao
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Jan 24, 2023 05:12
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The last couple of years have been a psyop to not arose suspicion that the Cubs are all in on Ohtani. I have it on good authority that the deal is all but complete, the jerseys are being manufactured as we speak.
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Jan 24, 2023 05:19
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https://twitter.com/meredithshiner/status/1617734754945859584?s=20
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Jan 24, 2023 05:36
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jesus
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Jan 24, 2023 05:42
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yikes
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Jan 24, 2023 06:05
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That's a cool rear end coach
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Jan 24, 2023 06:28
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Inspector_666 posted:It makes me so happy that this defense actually worked. Same. That lawyer is awesome.
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Jan 24, 2023 06:40
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Bobby abreau was also juicing . The “steroid era” is nonsense the writers made up to justify their hatred of Bonds and in general a way for MLB to scapegoat players. I
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Jan 24, 2023 14:25
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Why don’t we call the 70s the meth era. It’s nonsense.
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Jan 24, 2023 14:26
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I feel like I am getting old because now it’s like hey I actually remember that player, make that guys life and put him in the hall I don’t give a gently caress.
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Jan 24, 2023 14:28
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The Phillies local tv people would talk about a Abreau juicing routinely in barely coded language like “he really hit the gym over the off-season (ha ha ha )” or “abreau is looking much bigger due to some extraordinary work outs and a new diet (ha ha ha )”
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Jan 24, 2023 15:38
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I guess it comes down to whether you think the HoF should be a shrine to baseball glory or a museum of baseball history. I think it should be the latter but BBWAA obviously thinks it should be the former, even though that's stupid and baseball writers are all a bunch of miserable alcoholic cynics, all of whom like smallball because it makes them think that they might've made a roster if a couple of things in their lives had broken different. Put Pete Rose in the hall, put Tommy John in there, put Jose Canseco in there in a special moron's wing. I don't want to read paeans to Nap Lajoie I wanna read about how Jason Grimsley went full die hard to steal Albert Belle's corked bat from the ump's evidence locker. Sportswriters who cover football or basketball aren't like this, they don't instantly become 1920s era reactionaries the second they see a guy put his hand under the ball bringing it up the court. zoux fucked around with this message at 16:04 on Jan 24, 2023 |
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Jan 24, 2023 15:46
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Lee Smith didn't go in on the writers ballot. These people have no business making these decisions.
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Jan 24, 2023 15:54
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Let the fans vote. lets get Bobson Dugnut in there
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Jan 24, 2023 15:55
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If the end result is Barry bonds on not in the hall the method is wrong and needs to be changed. It’s that simple. The other two major sports seems to not gently caress this up.
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Jan 24, 2023 15:57
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https://twitter.com/OrtizKicks/status/1617900949204512768 Brad Ausmus led the league in IBBs issued when he managed the Tigers. He was not retained.
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Jan 24, 2023 16:09
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Setup, punchline. Effective comedy.
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Jan 24, 2023 16:12
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Jim Crane is an utter moron, how did they get so good without him loving it up?
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Jan 24, 2023 16:17
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I guess it was the cheating.
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Jan 24, 2023 16:20
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The answer to that question is running 3rd tier Mexican club soccer teams right now.
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Jan 24, 2023 16:21
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mcmagic posted:I guess it was the cheating. drat, that must sting even worse since Cashman and Co. couldn't get it done when also cheating
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Jan 24, 2023 16:29
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Now now, they could only cheat when they had a man in scoring position, though the scheme did work both at home and on the road.
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Jan 24, 2023 16:32
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