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I was going to comment "just Columbo then" but Columbo is genuinely smart. Having said that, Gumshoe is smart enough to pretend to be dumber than he is.
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You call yourself a Mafia boss? He’s just one lousy cop and you let him push you around! Your godfather would be ashamed! Seriously, glad Gumshoe was there to help. We still need lots of answers. Hope we get them in court.
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Jan 17, 2023 11:28
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Gumshoe with the last secon save!  And dude must really be tougher than he looks since he can make 4 mafia hitmen back down all by himself. I guess he's like Phoenix in that sense, look like a dum dum and turn into Dirty Harry when the stakes are high
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argosaxelcaos posted:Gumshoe with the last secon save! I assume that it's not just Gumshoe there and that there are more police in the area. There's often some implication in his dialogue (one of the first investigation scenes in the law office, for instance) that there's more than one person checking out the scene and Gumshoe is the point person that we're interacting with while he leads a team of investigators.
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Keep in mind the reason we have the single judge and he has like three animations total is because there literally wasn't any more space left on the original GBA cart. TWO distinct "generic policemen" sprites? Are we made of memory here? So there's plenty of policeman around, just out of screen, laughing too.
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Jan 17, 2023 13:46
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Omobono posted:Keep in mind the reason we have the single judge and he has like three animations total is because there literally wasn't any more space left on the original GBA cart. You have no idea how happy I would be if the "generic policeman" sprite was just a recolor of the mafia sprites.
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Personally I always read this scene as the mafia just not willing to murder a cop. Disappearing a lawyer (whose only friend is a huge loser, mind) is one thing, but there's gonna be a whole lot of scrutiny if you kill a cop.
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Arzaac posted:Personally I always read this scene as the mafia just not willing to murder a cop. Disappearing a lawyer (whose only friend is a huge loser, mind) is one thing, but there's gonna be a whole lot of scrutiny if you kill a cop. that's a mean thing to call Maya 
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Jan 17, 2023 18:41
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Fine, fine, only alive friend. I figured Maya didn't count because she was also about to be a corpse
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Jan 17, 2023 20:34
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I'm wondering if her ties being called the mafia was a localization thing because I get yakuza vibes from those goons. Then again they're pretty much one in the same I think.
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Jan 17, 2023 21:01
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It's absolutely a localization thing. There's a reason we say these games take place in "Japanifornia".
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MR. J posted:I'm wondering if her ties being called the mafia was a localization thing because I get yakuza vibes from those goons. Perhaps? In Persona 5, there's a guy who the story refers to as part of the mafia, not Yakuza, and it seems like that's something that series wouldn't get wrong in translation.
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Arzaac posted:Personally I always read this scene as the mafia just not willing to murder a cop. Disappearing a lawyer (whose only friend is a huge loser, mind) is one thing, but there's gonna be a whole lot of scrutiny if you kill a cop. All Maya would have to do is summon
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Prowler posted:Perhaps? In Persona 5, there's a guy who the story refers to as part of the mafia, not Yakuza, and it seems like that's something that series wouldn't get wrong in translation. Nah, that guy is decidedly not affiliated with the Yakuza, which is mentioned elsewhere in the game. The mafia/Yakuza distinction also appears in the Japanese script, AFAIK, where "mafia" is a catch-all term for organized crime while Yakuza is, well, a specific type of crime syndicate.
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Jan 17, 2023 23:29
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:Nah, that guy is decidedly not affiliated with the Yakuza, which is mentioned elsewhere in the game. The mafia/Yakuza distinction also appears in the Japanese script, AFAIK, where "mafia" is a catch-all term for organized crime while Yakuza is, well, a specific type of crime syndicate. I worded my greater point poorly, but it was that it wasn't the first time I'd seen the term in a decidedly Japanese game to mean not!Yakuza, so it's not completely out of the realm of possibility despite all the jelly donuts and hamburgers here.
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Dirk the Average posted:I assume that it's not just Gumshoe there and that there are more police in the area. There's often some implication in his dialogue (one of the first investigation scenes in the law office, for instance) that there's more than one person checking out the scene and Gumshoe is the point person that we're interacting with while he leads a team of investigators. This is absolutely what occurred to me as I played for the first time, yeah. Extremely messy situation to dispose of three dead bodies, one of which is a cop, in a location that was just proven to be a crime scene for a previous murder and is probably going to be under scrutiny very soon. Additionally, gumshoe has a gun. Even if you were to take him out, there's a non-zero chance he's going to shoot Dee right in the tits before he goes down.
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Prowler posted:Perhaps? In Persona 5, there's a guy who the story refers to as part of the mafia, not Yakuza, and it seems like that's something that series wouldn't get wrong in translation. That guy absolutely was a mafioso, not a Yakuza member. Those goons last update were far more Yakuza than mafia, they don't really have the feeling of a mafia "picciotto" (Sicilian for goon). There's not much difference, organized crime is organized crime, but there is one.
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Omobono posted:That guy absolutely was a mafioso, not a Yakuza member. Those goons last update were far more Yakuza than mafia, they don't really have the feeling of a mafia "picciotto" (Sicilian for goon).
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Part 68: Episode 3, Final Day, Trial: Willful Denial It's time.  Okay, not quite dawn. Why does court start so late here? Anyway we're back at Courtroom No. 4 to nail a mafia queen.  Sound: Gallery Are those two seats down below the judge's bench? I wonder what those are for.  Sound: Gavel Music: Trial   Everyone's ready, let's go!  Today will be the final day of this trial. What angle is Edgeworth going to play today?  Very well, Mr. Edgeworth. Your opening statement.  He claims that the scene of the crime was, in fact, Studio Two. Today, I will call on people present in the Studio Two trailer that day. From their testimonies, the truth will become clear.   Sound: Gallery Sound: Gavel You may call your first witness, Mr. Edgeworth. Nice, straight to the main event! Any guesses at how many contradictions we'll have to find to win the case today?  Ms. Dee Vasquez is a producer who was present in the Studio Two trailer that day.  No issues with smoking in the courtroom I guess. Will the witness state her name and occupation? ...  As everyone here knows, yes?Sound: Realization ...? I dislike needless banter.  Sound: Whoops Poor Edgeworth. I think his only cooperative witness all game has been Gumshoe.  V-very well, Ms. Vasquez. Music: Silence  We have Maya with us today. Will we actually win this case on our own? Or will Mia have a dramatic appearance later on again?  R-right! ...Focus, Phoenix.  Sound: Testimony 2 Music: Questioning - Moderato    I was fatigued, so I had Sal take me. At 2:30, we took a 15-minute break in the meeting.  That's all.Not a lot to work with there. I guess her strategy is just to ignore everything that happened yesterday and pretend the crime scene is still Studio One. Music: Silence  Hmm... Whoa, the judge is getting involved early. You were "fatigued" so you had Sal "take" you...? The van.Sound: Realization Hmm? There's a van at Studio Two.   Sound: Select Jingle Good news - I think I've figured out how they transported Hammer over to Studio One. Too bad we never got to take a look inside that van earlier. I... I see!   Sound: Testimony 2 Music: Questioning - Moderato Like before, I'll start with the "end of testimony" dialogue.  I kind of wish she'd said a little more... It's hard. I think she's pretty used to being the boss. I entered the trailer, oh, a little before noon.  By yourself? Yes. No. ... Sound: Realization Yes. The meeting began at 12:00 sharp. It ended at 4:00. Did no one leave during the meeting? No one. ... ... Ms. Vasquez is going to be a bit tougher to rattle than most of the witnesses we've faced so far.   Sound: Desk Slam The witness did not come here to engage in idle conversation!Sound: Desk Slam  The same could be said to you, Mr. Edgeworth.Sound: Realization  Nevah!  Mmph!Sound: Whoops There was to be a rehearsal afterwards, so we went to Studio One. And when exactly was that? I've forgotten. ... ... No.Dee-va is the perfect client for an attorney. Short answers, no extra information. We're going to need to find some details here soon.   I would think it was between those times. I was fatigued, so I had Sal take me. Hold on! It means what I just said. (Oh... oh, right.) At 2:30, we took a 15-minute break in the meeting. Sound: Desk Slam And what were you doing during that time...? Don't hit your desk. It irritates me.Sound: Desk Slam Edgeworth immediately hits his desk. Yeah! Mr. Wright...! Sound: Light Bulb ... Sal and I ate t-bone steaks on the table in front of the trailer. Do you have someone who can verify this? Sal. One person is enough. (If she committed murder during that break...) (She wouldn't have had time to eat a t-bone steak!) Do we have that? We saw the plates at Studio Two were empty (no bones left behind), which I guess lines up with the steaks being disposed of rather than eaten, but we didn't capture that in the court record at all. Well, that's the end of the cross somehow. I thought she said a lot more in the original testimony, but we only get those six lines for the cross. I think I figured this one out later, but during the recording I didn't really have a confident idea, so here's our current Court Record for you to peruse:  Attorney's Badge - No one would believe I was a defense attorney if I didn't carry this. Jack's Autopsy Report - Time of death: 10/15 at 2:30 PM. Cause: Pierced through the chest by a spear. Powers's(?) Photo - He's dragging one leg. [Oct 15, 2:00 PM, Photo #2]  Guidemap - Guidemap to Global Studios.  Samurai Spear - The murder weapon. A break in the shaft has been mended with duct tape. Mr. Monkey's Head - Blocked the path to the scene of the crime between 2:15 PM and 4:00 PM. "Path to Glory" - Contains photos of every victory scene in every battle the Steel Samurai has won. Cody's Camera - A new digital camera. Cody always carries it, though he's still learning how to use it. Five-Year-Old Photo - Shows an accident involving Jack Hammer. Sleeping Pill Bottle - Found on a table in the employee area. Bears Jack Hammer's fingerprints. Steak Plate - Found in the employee area. On it are tracing of sleeping pills and a large bone. Van - Manella used this van to drive Vasquez to Studio One after the meeting in the trailer.Twelve pieces of evidence, with six lines of testimony. Pressing seemed to indicate that the last statement is the one with the contradiction, but what should we present there?
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2 seats below the judge are probably for court clerk and reporter. That's my guess anyway. It seems to be a common media stereotype for mob figures to smoke excessively. Disliking pontificating other than their own is common, too. I thought the collapsed statue was blocking the path. I guess not for vehicles, just pedestrians. We'll stop banging on the desk when you stop smoking, lady. How do we know Vasquez committed the murder personally? I guess those goons of hers are just never going to come up again? Not that it matters, I guess. As for how to proceed... try the steak plate. One plate, yet she said both she and Sal ate steaks. Where's the other plate? That's my first thought.
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achtungnight posted:I thought the collapsed statue was blocking the path. I guess not for vehicles, just pedestrians. The monkey head was cleared out of the way by then.
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achtungnight posted:As for how to proceed... try the steak plate. One plate, yet she said both she and Sal ate steaks. Where's the other plate? That's my first thought. That's WP's plate from the employee area, not either of the two plates from Studio 2. There's only one plate because it's the one that was relevant as evidence because it was drugged. whitehelm posted:The monkey head was cleared out of the way by then. The monkey head wasn't cleared until after the first day of investigation, long after the murder happened.
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Sal said they didn't eat lunch, but the court record doesn't seem to reflect that. I guess you're supposed to present Will's plate to point that out?
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Truthkeeper posted:The monkey head wasn't cleared until after the first day of investigation, long after the murder happened. No, the Monkey Head was moved after 4:00. We just didn't have access to Studio 2 until then because it hadn't been relevant.
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No idea, try the Steak Plate I mean 15 minutes is enough to eat the steak, but maybe it''ll do something? I'm at a loss here. Zulily Zoetrope posted:Sal said they didn't eat lunch, but the court record doesn't seem to reflect that. I guess you're supposed to present Will's plate to point that out? Oh poo poo, that's true!
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Didn't Feenie already resolve that lie?
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FoolyCharged posted:Didn't Feenie already resolve that lie? Doesn't mean the witness respects him enough to bother trotting out a new one. From a gameplay perspective it's also a good way to ease players into the day's testimony and engage them with the case again.
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Part 69: Episode 3, Final Day, Trial: Straight to the Point  Nothing really fits, so we're going for an associated plates theory here. Use one piece of evidence to bring up something else that we don't directly have captured - namely, the empty plates at Studio Two! Music: Silence  Sound: Objection I haven't shown off the full objection animation in awhile, so there you go.  Sound: Realization ... You claim you ate a t-bone steak!Sound: Desk Slam But I say you did not! Look at this. It's... a plate? As you can see, a large bone has been left behind. Sound: Realization Oh, you're going to regret that one, Edgeworth.  Remember, if you will... Ms. Vasquez and Mr. Manella ate at a table outside the trailer.  This whole sequence is kind of weird. If the lack of bones on these plates was supposed to prove something, why not have it in the Court Record directly? What is Phoenix even showing right now? Music: Objection!  Sound: Drama Pound  Sound: Stab Ms. Vasquez?Sound: Desk Slam Tell me, how can a person eat a t-bone steak... and not leave the bone? Phoenix already told us where he was going with this line of thought during the press earlier, but there's no penalty here so let's explore the comedic options. Music: Silence You ate the bone, too!Sound: Objection   I mean, I love steak, but even I don't eat the bone!Sound: Whack  Sound: Whack Mr. Wright!  Sure, this is fun, keep going! Music: Objection!  Music: Silence Elementary! You were eating a boneless steak!Sound: Objection ... What would that prove? ... Music: Objection! Nick! Remember her testimony? Here's a weird/typo bug. It flashes back to Ms. Vasquez, and the dialogue box has her name, but it appears to really be Maya's line. She said "bone"! Sound: Realization  Yeah, sure, Nick. ... Okay, let's get back on track here.  Sound: Drama Pound You took your steak and threw it somewhere... like that incinerator! Sound: Stab Got her again! ... I... I see!  Yes, I'm still feeling whimsical today and picking the joke option. She was picking on Mr. Manella!Sound: Realization Mr. Wright... Haha, yes, just a joke, right, where was I? Oh...? I would prefer it if you remained serious! quote:Playing it straight just skips the previous dialogue and proceeds directly into the reveal below. Sound: Desk Slam  Sound: Drama Pound  Sound: Gallery Ms. Vasquez has that nonchalant lean going on. Sound: Gavel Order! Yes, Your Honor!Sound: Pong   Sound: Pong  And then you did it.Sound: Desk Slam  That's... certainly direct?  Sound: Stab 2 We provoke another reaction out of Ms. Vasquez. Maybe this day of trial won't last as long as I thought.  Sound: Gallery  Sound: Gavel x 3 M-Mr. Wright!Sound: Whack  Sound: Desk Slam What kind of stunt are you trying to pull, Wright!? Let him claim what he wants...Sound: Realization Music: Silence  Yes. Fascinating! ... Very well.  (Any day, Vasquez!) Music: Telling the Truth  I don't like where this is going. Yes...?  A penalty on this one! I only took a quick look the first time, and couldn't figure this one out. It seems like one of those don't-matter choices where every option has the same result, yet there's a penalty involved here, so there must be a right answer. Which option should we choose?
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DKII posted:A penalty on this one! I only took a quick look the first time, and couldn't figure this one out. It seems like one of those don't-matter choices where every option has the same result, yet there's a penalty involved here, so there must be a right answer. Which option should we choose? That link goes directly to the poll results. Also, where is the Attorney Badge option??
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wologar posted:That link goes directly to the poll results. For some reason they auto-close if I create them too far in advance. And then sometimes I forget to re-open them. 
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The spear is historically often the preferred weapon of women, including petite ones. And maybe she broke it to wield it more easily. I think she could wield it.
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Why is that the penalty question? Two of those things are what Phoenix thinks, and the third is a question. Not one of those options are false, definitively!
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She's right. There's no way she could have used the spear to kill the Steel Samurai.
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I mean, maybe they ate the steak and then just threw the bones into the incinerator, Nick. Or a trashcan.
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GilliamYaeger posted:She's right. There's no way she could have used the spear to kill the Steel Samurai.
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Xander77 posted:Yeah. I think what actually happened is fairly clear, but that might be my experience from previous LP's butting in. There's no way that spear could have gone through the Steel Samurai costume with only duct tape holding the spearhead to the shaft.
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I'm pretty sure you could kill a man if he was charging at you and you just held it up. Especially braced against a stair or something. I'm also pretty sure that isn't what happened though. Surely the more compelling counter argument would have been "how would I have gotten it off him in the first place"? Given he, you know, arrived with it, per the cameras.
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This part of the case always seemed a bit strange to me. Why couldn't they have just eaten the steaks and tossed the bones in the incinerator? There being nothing on the plates doesn't actually prove anything. And whether or not she could've wielded the spear, the duct tape wouldn't have held up well enough to kill a man with it.
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MarquiseMindfang posted:I'm pretty sure you could kill a man if he was charging at you and you just held it up. Especially braced against a stair or something. I'm also pretty sure that isn't what happened though. Surely the more compelling counter argument would have been "how would I have gotten it off him in the first place"? Given he, you know, arrived with it, per the cameras.
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