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15 | 3.71% |
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115 | 28.47% |
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12 | 2.97% |
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67 | 16.58% |
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94 | 23.27% |
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14 | 3.47% |
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87 | 21.53% |
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Frosted Flake posted:The side outshot by at least 9:1 is not trading casualties 1:1. hmm, so what's your off the arse casualty rate?
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Jan 25, 2023 19:35
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Leandros posted:They counted only those buried in Russian cemeteries at ~60 specific settlements, and estimate that number to be 40-60% of the total Russian regular forces killed. So 20k-30k at minimum, and this doesn't include separatists or Wagner. I guess that's one way of underselling your losses. Who cares? This war won't end from these kind of losses. Your fantasy of every Russian dead isn't going to happen.
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Jan 25, 2023 20:04
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Starsfan posted:Man it's hard to place losses from modern warfare in the same reality as what was going on 80 years ago.. You read so much cope about how Russia is nearing their breaking point with 30,000 to 40,000 casualties in a year and then wikipedia tells you that like 600,000 Russian soldiers got surrounded and surrendered around Kiev one week back in WW2. It's straight up great war propaganda when everyone was made to believe the war was going to be over Any Day Now and The Hun Can't Sustain These Losses and it just kept going. And yeah the scale of it is just miniscule in comparison so "oh they're going to run out of guys soon!!!" just rings even more hollow.
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Jan 25, 2023 20:05
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BadOptics posted:I assume you mean AIM-120's because even the newer AIM-9X doesn't have the range to go up against even the older BVR stuff the Russian AF could field (9X is like 22 mi at best vs the old R-27 at ~50 mi). And while they've been pretty bad with combined arms, I've not heard or read any reports anything about Russian fighter jets being pushovers in A2A combat (mostly because of operating in friendly AD zones and using their range and better radars) - even from western sources. F-16's would give the Ukrainians a big boost in capability, but I don't think it would be enough to achieve air domination let alone air superiority. The wonder weapons narrative is stupid as gently caress on its face. It's a war of attrition now and Ukraine would need a staggeringly large number of weapons and troops and logistics to sustain them, all delivered in one push, to get a material advantage large enough to bring a dynamic end to the conflict. But that's not what's going to happen, they're going to get a few dozen tanks here, a couple hundred ATGMs there, enough to make Russia eat poo poo but not enough to actually win anything. Adding a few planes and sidewinders is just another line item on the butcher's bill, it doesn't matter how much better the F-16 or AIM-9X is or is not compared to Russian contemporary systems. They're going to lose airframes against air defenses, they're going to fire a lot of missiles that miss, they're going to have parts shortages, they're going to have debris ingestion that takes out engines, they're going to lack qualified pilots - all the same poo poo that drives wars of attrition in any other domain applies equally to jets.
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Jan 25, 2023 20:12
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Vomik posted:the freedom being brought to the Ukrainian people doesn’t seem that great listen fat, there is no greater expression of freedom than having your cells liberated from each other by explosives, just like when my grandpappy nuked the krauts at the alamo
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Jan 25, 2023 20:14
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Cao Ni Ma posted:lmao the motherfuckers really did add 1 over 30 to say they are giving them over 30 tanks
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Jan 25, 2023 20:26
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In terms of how militaries function, which I think always gets left out, Ukraine has also probably seriously disrupted institutions within the military to keep this going. By way of example, almost every British cavalry instructor went to war in the autumn of 1914 to make up losses from that summer, were killed or still needed at the front, and were therefore unavailable as teachers. Now, that would be no problem if the war had ended in December 1914. It didn't, and so as the war went on, it took until 1916 for the British to be able to really train cavalrymen again and until 1917-18 for the training to approach pre-war standards. The expertise and supporting training infrastructure was lost. The same thing happened when British staff officers were sent to replace KIA/WIA field officers in 1914. Again, in the framework of a short war with an existing force structure this would be a setback but not too disruptive. As it happened this had major repercussions as not only did it halt staff training and shrink the pool of staff available for various commands, it seriously effected future operations. To fight a war on the scale that was evident by late 1914 would require the UK to raise new Corps, even new Armies. That meant of course a massive expansion of planning and staff work, and the attendant personnel. They were all commanding battalions or dead. That meant British operations were poorly planned and small in scale throughout 1915, with obvious consequences. It took until 1916-17 for Corps level operations to really be executed competently and 1918 for planning to reach a scale that could support, for example the Hundred Days. Ukraine doesn't just need aircrew, because they didn't just lose aircrew. They undoubtedly pushed instructors, operations officers and whoever else had wings into the cockpit as their losses mounted. That means that when a squadron's worth of shiny F-16s is delivered, there is no squadron to receive them. Even if there are a squadron's worth of western-trained pilots, the institution has either been lost or so damaged as to not be able to competently conduct operations. This applies to the armoured branch as well. The Ukrainian tank school isn't operating, nor is the mechanical school. Sure you can train individual soldiers in the West, but that's not the same as having the institutions that can support these weapons systems and maximize their effect on operations. There's a serious erosion of capabilities across the board. It may not yet be that every Ukrainian soldier is a rifleman, but certainly many are that should not be, and their vacancies are creating a growing list of things the Ukrainian military cannot do, even if it remains in the field.
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Jan 25, 2023 20:29
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Frosted Flake posted:In terms of how militaries function, which I think always gets left out, Ukraine has also probably seriously disrupted institutions within the military to keep this going. By way of example, almost every British cavalry instructor went to war in the autumn of 1914 to make up losses from that summer, were killed or still needed at the front, and were therefore unavailable as teachers. Now, that would be no problem if the war had ended in December 1914. It didn't, and so as the war went on, it took until 1916 for the British to be able to really train cavalrymen again and until 1917-18 for the training to approach pre-war standards. The expertise and supporting training infrastructure was lost. How much staffing can you do over zoom though?
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Jan 25, 2023 20:34
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Frosted Flake posted:In terms of how militaries function, which I think always gets left out, Ukraine has also probably seriously disrupted institutions within the military to keep this going. By way of example, almost every British cavalry instructor went to war in the autumn of 1914 to make up losses from that summer, were killed or still needed at the front, and were therefore unavailable as teachers. Now, that would be no problem if the war had ended in December 1914. It didn't, and so as the war went on, it took until 1916 for the British to be able to really train cavalrymen again and until 1917-18 for the training to approach pre-war standards. The expertise and supporting training infrastructure was lost. Isn't this a problem for Russia also? There were reports that training reinforcements was disrupted because all the trainers were dead. No idea if that was true of course. I guess they could pull people out from retirement?
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Jan 25, 2023 20:34
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Regarde Aduck posted:Isn't this a problem for Russia also? There were reports that training reinforcements was disrupted because all the trainers were dead. No idea if that was true of course. I guess they could pull people out from retirement? Russia has a much, much bigger military. They also have several military academies that produce large classes of experts in various fields. So, while it would have been stupid and short sighted to press instructors into combat, they haven't even committed all of the combat formations of their military to the SMO, I don't think they've allowed out the supporting institutions - or at least not nearly to the same degree.
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Jan 25, 2023 20:37
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Best Friends posted:I’ve been mulling on how Ukraine is white enough that invading them is a unique historical evil to other white countries (zero westerners supported arming the Iraqi insurgency or the NVA). but, they’re on the periphery enough that we in the west are still allowed to coup them, and if they ban a bunch of political parties core white countries can go “it’s different there.” The Balkans are pretty much the same deal. They're white as a matter of convenience for advancing our geopolitical goals but on the brown end of the white spectrum as far as our willingness to see them come to harm because of their Ottoman history, Islam being prevalent in places, etc. Just sub Cossacks & Soviets for Ottomans and Orthodox for Islam
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Jan 25, 2023 20:39
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if you go by historical record, britain losing every single cavalry officer and instructor in 1914 was probably the best thing that could happen to their future in cavalry efforts
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Jan 25, 2023 20:41
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killing two generations of "alpha" males from most of europe may have been a net positive for the world
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Jan 25, 2023 20:42
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the russians are about to take a town called Ulgedar https://twitter.com/azgeopolitics/status/1618332121474666496?s=46&t=705jWv712DxCoCSaHy6xig
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Jan 25, 2023 20:45
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Al-Saqr posted:the russians are about to take a town called Ulgedar Oooo boy…I’m not getting that money back that I put down for a dacha timeshare am I?
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Jan 25, 2023 20:48
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oh no if the orcs take ulgedar, they'll probably disturb the prison of yogg-saron while looting titan technology 
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Jan 25, 2023 20:48
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Ardennes posted:Also, the Mig 31s with R-37s Russian has been sending out have even further ranges up to 398 km, honestly, I don't think the F-16 would be a game changer beyond protecting the airspace of particularly South-West Ukraine. Also, unless they want to kill their pilots, they probably need 1-2 years minimum to get some familiarity with the F-16 as it really does fly different than Soviet aircraft. Imo the only real advantage Ukraine has is the rules lawyering not-participation of the US, which makes it possible for them to have an AWACS that can never be shot down. A western air force in the same situation would simply shoot down the AWACS plane.
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Jan 25, 2023 20:51
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lol it’s Victor Zwinky’s birthday today that’s why the US is giving him stupid tanks as a present
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Jan 25, 2023 20:51
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A Bakers Cousin posted:killing two generations of "alpha" males from most of europe may have been a net positive for the world The Penal battalions served the same purpose. Chalk another win for Uncle Joe!
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Jan 25, 2023 21:01
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Regarde Aduck posted:Who cares? This war won't end from these kind of losses. Your fantasy of every Russian dead isn't going to happen. I know your brain is literally broken and all but extrapolating "man that estimation sounds like a honk of poo poo" to "man it would rule if there were 4 more zeroes on that number" is kind of a stretch
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Jan 25, 2023 21:08
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Dacha Nekrasova.
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Jan 25, 2023 21:09
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Oh no, Louie CK is squatting in my Dacha Nekrasova!
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Jan 25, 2023 21:15
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gradenko_2000 posted:Ukraine requesting that the West send these over Buhnanenanaaaaahh nanenuhnanuhnaaaaaaaaahhhh (giant air whammy bars)
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Jan 25, 2023 21:19
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Leandros posted:I know your brain is literally broken and all but extrapolating "man that estimation sounds like a honk of poo poo" to "man it would rule if there were 4 more zeroes on that number" is kind of a stretch scared?
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Jan 25, 2023 21:27
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quote:Kevin Rothrock quote:FULL BIOGRAPHY lol every time. Haven't they heard of pen names?
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Jan 25, 2023 21:32
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A Bakers Cousin posted:killing two generations of "alpha" males from most of europe may have been a net positive for the world Orwell had an incredible take that British people got uglier and weaker cause all the hot guys got murdered in WW1. can’t remember the title though.
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Jan 25, 2023 21:36
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Vomik posted:the freedom being brought to the Ukrainian people doesn’t seem that great It's freedom to die. The freedom that any American enjoys if they earn as much money as Ukrainians.
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Jan 25, 2023 21:36
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Slavvy posted:Imo the only real advantage Ukraine has is the rules lawyering not-participation of the US, which makes it possible for them to have an AWACS that can never be shot down. A western air force in the same situation would simply shoot down the AWACS plane. Yeah, constant AWACS is keeping Ukraine in the right to a large extent since honestly it’s AD would have probably fully collapsed and Ukraine would at the same mercy as any country in a similar situation. That said, the Russians have also done a good job at clearing most of Ukraine’s air space. It is why I don’t think F-16s would make much of a difference.
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Jan 25, 2023 21:38
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Best Friends posted:Orwell had an incredible take that British people got uglier and weaker cause all the hot guys got murdered in WW1. can’t remember the title though. why did the war only kill the hot ones?
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Jan 25, 2023 21:40
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Frosted Flake posted:In terms of how militaries function, which I think always gets left out, Ukraine has also probably seriously disrupted institutions within the military to keep this going. By way of example, almost every British cavalry instructor went to war in the autumn of 1914 to make up losses from that summer, were killed or still needed at the front, and were therefore unavailable as teachers. Now, that would be no problem if the war had ended in December 1914. It didn't, and so as the war went on, it took until 1916 for the British to be able to really train cavalrymen again and until 1917-18 for the training to approach pre-war standards. The expertise and supporting training infrastructure was lost. Why not just no train new cavalry? Did they still expect the trench warfare to stop at that point in the war? Our dudes on foot keep getting mowed down by artillery and machinegun fire but if only we had dudes on top of large horse to make them move faster, surely they would somehow dodge the bullets and barb-wires.
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Jan 25, 2023 21:42
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https://twitter.com/getfiscal/status/1618343976712671232
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Jan 25, 2023 21:43
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Whoo a little of a spicy take
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Jan 25, 2023 21:47
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https://twitter.com/wxrry/status/1615753882420019203?s=46&t=705jWv712DxCoCSaHy6xig
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Jan 25, 2023 21:49
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Ardennes posted:Yeah, constant AWACS is keeping Ukraine in the right to a large extent since honestly it’s AD would have probably fully collapsed and Ukraine would at the same mercy as any country in a similar situation. It's kind of interesting to think about, like could f16's being vectored on target by an AWACS get the drop on mig31's with their absurd radar and long range missiles?
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Jan 25, 2023 21:52
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Irony Be My Shield posted:It isn't for Russia at least. Do you think Russia intends genocide, even a social one? Or are you confusing a nation with a state? This war is not existential for the Ukrainian nation, but it could be for the Ukrainian state. However, I don't really care if a state with legal pogroms gets destroyed. Of course the accompanying death and destruction is bad, but I don't see that being increased if Russia's goals change from 'puppet regime within existing institutions' to 'Ukraine is part of Russia now'. Best Friends posted:I’ve been mulling on how Ukraine is white enough that invading them is a unique historical evil to other white countries (zero westerners supported arming the Iraqi insurgency or the NVA). but, they’re on the periphery enough that we in the west are still allowed to coup them, and if they ban a bunch of political parties core white countries can go “it’s different there.” Ukrainian's whiteness isn't why the west is supporting them, it is a useful tool in it's internal propaganda.
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Jan 25, 2023 21:56
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https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1617374364927774721 the secret of the cancer tanks must not be given to the orks
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Jan 25, 2023 21:59
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Danann posted:https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1617374364927774721 Is it really that secret? They started incorporating it into the design when I was in loving grade school.
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Jan 25, 2023 22:04
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I dont believe that the depleted uranium is so fuckin secret it cant be given to anyone. Iirc the reason Australia doesnt have DU inserts (and the Swedish were offered it but refused during the competition that led to the Swedish Leopard) is that its literally nuclear waste and they didnt want it. Coincidentally, the fact that its nuclear waste is why its used. Hard as Tungsten but cheap because it would otherwise be waste.
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Jan 25, 2023 22:07
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OctaMurk posted:I dont believe that the depleted uranium is so fuckin secret it cant be given to anyone. Iirc the reason Australia doesnt have DU inserts (and the Swedish were offered it but refused during the competition that led to the Swedish Leopard) is that its literally nuclear waste and they didnt want it. Australian tank coomers think Australia might actually have DU, just not officially, because the weight of the tanks is higher than it should be.
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Jan 25, 2023 22:19
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fits my needs posted:wtf are slavic eyes Fat pads on the cheeks and upper lids.
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Jan 25, 2023 22:25
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