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zoux posted:
wonder what happened to that Munson guy
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:If CC gets in so should Buehrle (Buehrle should be in) Buehrle would be in if he got out of the first inning in the last game of 2015.
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Jan 26, 2023 00:26
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maffew buildings posted:plus he tops out the scale on 'would be cool to hang out with' Also didn't waste your entire afternoon standing around on the mound, grip it and whip it
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Jan 26, 2023 00:32
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GoutPatrol posted:wonder what happened to that Munson guy His career really crashed and burned
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Jan 26, 2023 00:52
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:His career really crashed and burned  bawfuls posted:You have to use context neutral stats for this, you can’t just look at raw OBP or SLG. All extremely valid points, but that doesn't make a HoFer (in my opinion). But it all boils down to what you think The Hall should be.
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Jan 26, 2023 01:34
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Nodoze posted:I actually do think Buehrle should be in. He falls just (barely) short of the 60 WAR but his perfect game, no hitter, and ring should make up for that Much more impressive is his consistency and durability (along with how fast he worked). 14 straight seasons of 200 IP is a remarkable achievement in the 21st century. And he only missed it his final year by 4 outs.
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Jan 26, 2023 01:35
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:His career really crashed and burned That’s just plane awful
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Jan 26, 2023 01:35
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GPTribefan posted:That’s just plane awful I thought it was a very impactful statement
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Jan 26, 2023 01:46
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STAC Goat posted:CC is in two years? He's gonna be my next big "probably not gonna get it but I'm gonna be sad about it" guy. Oh i think he's getting in.
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Jan 26, 2023 01:48
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:If CC gets in so should Buehrle (Buehrle should be in) Hell, even if CC doesn't get in, although CC should get in.
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Jan 26, 2023 01:54
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Buehrle, much like Pettitte doesn't belong. He only has 1 top 5 Cy Young finish. I don't think he was ever one of the 10 best pitchers in baseball in any year.
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Jan 26, 2023 01:59
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Sydin posted:This is the big issue, the RSN deals were a huge cash cow for MLB and even if MLB buys back all the rights for pennies on the dollar, the most likely scenario would be them just trying to turn back around and find the next sucker who'll pay big bucks for them. I've seen a lot of speculation that MLB might try to consolidate it all in house and provide its own broadcast/streaming business - which could potentially lead to the death of the regional blackout - but I'm really skeptical that this would happen since I don't see how this would make teams nearly as much money as they would by selling the rights. Additionally there are teams who have rights not sold to Bally Sports, so to create a holistic in house solution MLB would have to actually pony up to buy back the rights from everybody else. Major League Soccer spent the past, like, six years telling clubs not to sign local broadcasting rights beyond 2022 so they could make an international all-in-one package. Their deal with Apple costs $99 for a whole season if you don't have Apple TV+, so I'd assume baseball's number of games + prestige would cost much, much more, and have a longer lead-off time if they go that route.
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Jan 26, 2023 02:08
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bawfuls posted:My stance on shithead-exclusion is unchanged: if your play is worthy but you are a huge rear end in a top hat/wifebeater/rapist/nazi/etc then you don’t get in while alive to enjoy and leverage it. Put those guys in 5-10 years after they die and note it on their plaque. Don't you constantly bitch about Bonds not getting in?
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Jan 26, 2023 02:09
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Dave Stieb was great in the 80s. too bad he pissed off reporters and played in toronto. and blew up his back. and rehabbed and came back. Anyway Stieb ruled
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Jan 26, 2023 02:12
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GoutPatrol posted:wonder what happened to that Munson guy https://youtu.be/8lIFItbwqVA its a figure of speech!
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Jan 26, 2023 02:14
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stump collector posted:Dave Stieb was great in the 80s. too bad he pissed off reporters and played in toronto. and blew up his back. and rehabbed and came back. finally the perfect post
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Jan 26, 2023 02:19
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I didn't actually like Stieb as a kid because I was just a hair too young to remember him being good, and I couldn't figure out why the announcers kept talking up this broken old dude who didn't actually do much. Turns out he ruled and six year old me was dumb as hell.
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Jan 26, 2023 02:27
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All this emphasis on peak is I think particularly out of sync with appreciating greatness in the modern game. As the talent pool deepens and the metagame matures, player usage has tended towards higher intensity for shorter duration. This is most obvious with pitchers, but even applies to hitters who rarely play 162 games anymore. Given this trend, I think it’s foolish to discount achievements in longevity & consistency. Buehrle is one particularly good e recent example.
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Jan 26, 2023 02:29
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Patrick Spens posted:Turns out he ruled and six year old me was dumb as hell. This is my favorite part of liking sports but not actually following them. Like, watching the World Cup and knowing that Messi is legendary but not knowing HOW good he actually is and then reading up on him was mind-altering. Dude broke the game and I was under the impression that he's "pretty good."
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Jan 26, 2023 02:38
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bawfuls posted:All this emphasis on peak is I think particularly out of sync with appreciating greatness in the modern game. Buehrle would be one of the highest paid pitchers in baseball if he were active today.
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Jan 26, 2023 03:58
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stump collector posted:Dave Stieb was great in the 80s. too bad he pissed off reporters and played in toronto. and blew up his back. and rehabbed and came back. 
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Jan 26, 2023 04:07
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Dave Stieb gives me date vibes, in that his name is an anagram for date vibes.
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Jan 26, 2023 04:44
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Nodoze posted:If you aren't gonna put Bobby Abreu in the HoF how are you gonna put Ichiro in What the gently caress
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Jan 26, 2023 05:09
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Red posted:Buehrle would be one of the highest paid pitchers in baseball if he were active today. He was one of the highest paid when he was active! Buehrle deserves to be in for that incredible streak of longevity while also being a very good pitcher. The HOF should not reflect solely the most dominant players because that's not what baseball is built around. It's season length and structure makes it a game of endurance and Buehrle is a perfect example of that while also having been a really good pitcher.
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Jan 26, 2023 05:25
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Nodoze posted:I actually do think Buehrle should be in. He falls just (barely) short of the 60 WAR but his perfect game, no hitter, and ring should make up for that I mean, sure, a perfect game is great and all but it has nothing on this duration: 1:52
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Jan 26, 2023 05:53
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Buehrle should be in the Hall for not giving up his dog.
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Jan 26, 2023 06:15
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Put Drake LaRoche in the Hall
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Jan 26, 2023 06:20
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Paracaidas posted:I mean, sure, a perfect game is great and all but it has nothing on this I’ll do you one better! https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHA/CHA200504160.shtml 1:39 I was at this game, and I don’t think my dad and I ever even had time to get up from our seats.
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Jan 26, 2023 06:30
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I ache for baseball
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Jan 26, 2023 06:37
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I'm debating heading down to Arizona for 3-4 days in March to catch some ST games and maybe a WBC game; aside from USA vs Mexico none of the early round games in Phoenix are sold out yet and tickets are like $20-$50. Haven't looked at hotels yet though though.
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Jan 26, 2023 06:44
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Here's the thread I mentioned earlier about voting people out of the Hall of Fame. I ended up sticking with the voting deadline of February 24th at 12:05 PM Pacific Time, the first pitch of spring training, so if you're interested in participating, that's about a month from now. I'm interested to see what criteria people end up using to determine when someone actually shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame, whether it's based on their on-the-field performance or off-the-field behavior.
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Jan 26, 2023 07:01
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I'm heading to Florida next week to play in a national tournament, I cannot wait. Baseball is back! (for a weekend)
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Jan 26, 2023 07:07
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I'm happy you get to go play baseball but sad that you have to go to Florida
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Jan 26, 2023 07:11
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This will be my first tournament in Florida. In 2021 I did a fall tournament in Arizona where we got to play a game at Goodyear Ballpark (Angel's spring training field) and the Angels/Reds side fields, it was really neat and the fields down there are pristine. Hopefully Florida is not so muggy/rainy this time of year, it'll be at least 5 games in 3 days.
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Jan 26, 2023 07:15
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CC Sabathia will be a first ballot inductee (into my new institution, the Hall of Very Large Baseball Players. Annual attendance will more than double the so called "Hall of Fame")
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Jan 26, 2023 08:18
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Exodor posted:Also I guess Frank White was a poo poo base runner since his oWAR + dWAR are ~8 higher than his overall WAR. Is there some other factor that would bring down the overall WAR? This got buried without being answered (I believe). The explanation for this is in the bbref glossary: "oWAR -- Offensive Wins Above Replacement (everything but Fielding) The same statistic as Wins Above Replacement for Position Players (WAR), but with the fielding value excluded. oWAR + dWAR does not equal WAR. Adding would count positions twice. Contains the factor for batting stats, baserunning, a positional adjustment, and the replacement player adjustment."
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Jan 26, 2023 09:06
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Sydin posted:I'm debating heading down to Arizona for 3-4 days in March to catch some ST games and maybe a WBC game; aside from USA vs Mexico none of the early round games in Phoenix are sold out yet and tickets are like $20-$50. Haven't looked at hotels yet though though. I'm thinking about trying to go to Miami for the WBC semifinals, but I need to be in San Francisco on the 21st at the latest. This brings up an interesting point. I'm trying to eventually visit all the MLB ballparks (18/30 so far). I haven't done Miami or Phoenix yet. If I see a WBC game, does that count? I'm at an MLB park watching baseball, but it's not MLB baseball.
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Jan 26, 2023 09:19
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Paper Tiger posted:For a while I've been thinking about starting a thread where goons can submit ballots listing people they'd vote *out* of the Hall of Fame. Now seems like a decent time to actually follow through on it. Jeter. My ballot is filled out.
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Jan 26, 2023 10:34
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Forgive this stupid uninformed question: But are there many Caribbean players in Major League Baseball nowadays? Has there been a trend towards more/less of them? Are any of them famous/good? I ask because the West Indies used to be a cricketing powerhouse, but have been poo poo for more than a decade now. And one of the theories is that young people are choosing Baseball as their sport of choice, (or at least the sport of a professional pathway), instead of the far far superior Test Cricket, Who doesn't love a sport that lasts 5 days and sometimes nobody wins? Again apologies if this question is stupid or ignorant, or worse rude.
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BrigadierSensible posted:Forgive this stupid uninformed question:
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