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DJExile posted:https://twitter.com/JFreshHockey/status/1618690353451909120 lol hell yeah. he's been fine as a 6th/7th defenseman. he is better than Hajek and Nemeth. this saves Drury from himself if we don't make another idiotic signing like that. that's about how much money we can afford to spend on that type of guy. now please dump Hajek and rotate Harpur in with Jones for the next year or two.
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eXXon posted:Chuckling at the notion that it's only in the playoffs. Oh sure but it matters less in the regular season since knocking out a player on another team only helps you a little bit due to the way the schedule is set up. knock out an opposing team's star player in a playoff series though and you can win on the backs of that
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DJExile posted:https://twitter.com/JFreshHockey/status/1618690353451909120 Yeah, he sucks but hes been “fine” on the bottom pair and that contract can be buried easily. Not gonna call it a good signing but im not mad.
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DO YALL WANT A BOXC posted:maybe. "best full career" doesn't make sense for me as a rubric for this type of thing. I always go with the "gun to my head" test and look at their primes. if you're building a team for a full career, yeah, it'd Lidstrom (especially if you're in Canada or anywhere cold because of Pronger's wife) This is always an interesting debate and both are valid. Do you lean more into the player in their peak? Or do you lean more into players who are dominant for a very long time? I tend to admittedly do both.
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There's always room on an NHL d corps for a guy who's big and doesn't complaineXXon posted:Huh? Was it not a shot attempt? I guess the argument is that it wasn't shot at an angle that could reasonably go in? All I know is that it should be a big bump in the chart if it counted and it doesn't exist.
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I still choose Lidstrom because it's not like there is a huge difference in the peaks. Pronger's was better but Lidstrom's was also incredible and his "peak" was basically his entire career.
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Eric the Mauve posted:Lidstrom was a machine. He did absolutely everything at an A- level except his hockey instincts which were A++++, he was indestructible, and he was the ideal team captain who kept his mouth shut and worked his rear end off. I have him as a borderline top 5 player all time. I swear that guy had like 2 seconds' clairvoyance, he was loving always a stride ahead of the play. I think I’ve brought it up on past times Lindstrom has come up, but it’s worth mentioning every time. The last 2 minutes of the ‘09 Pens Wings game is just unbelievable in terms of how Lindstrom controlled the play. Like, I remember watching the dude just take the puck and keep running it up past a desperate to defend penguins team. It took MAF loving making the save of his life to prevent them from scoring. Unfortunately a meteor did not then hit the stadium , but whatever.
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Koopa Kid posted:There's always room on an NHL d corps for a guy who's big and doesn't complain This is true, him being 6’6 helps
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Harpur has been fine but he doesn’t really play like he is 6’6” and should be trying to murder guys more often
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Jan 26, 2023 21:00
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Y’all are debating on the great goalie of all time and haven’t even mentioned the actual greatest goalie of all time: https://youtu.be/TavsqFdZ1Hg I watched 5 seconds of this video before I had to close it because the dude talking was super boring
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If these guys were so good how come they're not the fastest to 25 wins in NHL history?
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CBJSprague24 posted:Once upon a time, this would've been accurate. (Offer still valid with the Blackhawks!) It was used in that context in the 90s in soccer, but I haven't heard it in hockey context any other place. Sudden victory is how it's worded in USA Hockey, and it's Sudden Death in IIHF rules and in NHL context often enough (though overtime goal seems equally used). I think it's just a Canadian thing in hockey.
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fawning deference posted:This is always an interesting debate and both are valid. Do you lean more into the player in their peak? Or do you lean more into players who are dominant for a very long time? I tend to admittedly do both. yeah I go with the peak argument because it’s easy for me to watch McDavid in the playoffs last year or Pronger in 05-06/06-07/09-10 and know “there’s been like…a handful of guys that have ever played the game better than that” as opposed to like Selanne still being very good at like 39. it’s impressive, but I’m gonna judge him off how nutty he was when he scored 76.
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ThinkTank posted:https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1618679646559830016?t=aS2cBV5NyZVfg05kqXw2lA&s=19
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fawning deference posted:I think one of Brodeur's greatest assets was the puck handling and it no doubt added a lot of value in his career. From the goal line back, that was his office and he literally changed the way teams play because you pretty much couldn't dump and chase because he's go get it and fire an outlet pass out of the zone and catch you yeah well hasek's greatest asset was that he was better at stopping the puck than brodeur
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Simplex posted:The trapezoid is practically the Martin Brodeur rule, and practically every goalie for several generations emulated Patrick Roy's style. Those two things should probably be taken into consideration. This, but for the Sean Avery rule
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Mike Works posted:I’m actually quite happy with the placement of that chair, it’ll give a good view of the iceberg. Eh it's a short term relatively low cost deal for a top six winger. Yes they had a prime opportunity to trade him now, but I don't think this significantly reduces his value as a trade chip down the line. Assuming he stays around a 55-65pt forward or better, that's a moveable contract at the next two deadlines. It's totally different from the mega deal for Miller which was an immediate and obvious self inflicted cannon ball wound to the stomach. I don't think Kuzmenko's trade value was anywhere near as high as folks were thinking, a first round pick was a pipe dream. He'd likely return the second they idiotically dumped to keep Dickenson and while I'm all for picks I'm even more for Pettersson. He's not gonna do anything to help the team improve, but it's not gonna harm and might (and I'll stress might) contribute slightly to convincing our star centre to re-sign. With all that said, I wouldn't have cared slightly if they traded him. I am so sick of this core.
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I know we're Canucks fans so we can only see darkness, but there is the not outlandish possibility that Kuzmenko improves year over year. He'll be Pettersson's regular winger in a contract year. If he jumps to say 80-90pts suddenly they're holding the most valuable trade deadline asset on the market. A rebuild isn't a one and done fire sale at the first opportunity. It's about making conscious decisions to improve the team long term, and sometimes that includes betting on assets to increase in value for sale at a later time.
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If JT is not a centre (he’s not), then the Canucks have 38 million /45% tied up in wingers. Wingers are the super valued position right now right? Again in isolation it’s a fine deal, but they could have got a great price for him at the deadline, virtually free on the cap he’s about the only top 6 forward a bunch of capped out teams could have targeted.
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That Kuzmenko deal is great for the Canucks. I'm not sure why he took it however but I'm assuming its to time the cap jump since he'd probably get squeezed this summer as a ufa
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I think a lot of teams were rightfully questioning his shooting percentage and they'd have no chance to retain him beyond this year if they were capped out. Based on past deals for guys like that, his return would've been a 2nd round pick or a B prospect.
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Clearly the greatest goalie every is Sergei Bobrovsky. Because of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omZPhiT2PeQ
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ThinkTank posted:Eh it's a short term relatively low cost deal for a top six winger. Yes they had a prime opportunity to trade him now, but I don't think this significantly reduces his value as a trade chip down the line. Assuming he stays around a 55-65pt forward or better, that's a moveable contract at the next two deadlines. It's totally different from the mega deal for Miller which was an immediate and obvious self inflicted cannon ball wound to the stomach. 
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i think that’s a great deal for the Canucks. or rather, it would be if they trade him. it would be a better deal for a contending team. i’m surprised Kuzmenko is taking it. maybe they really do think it’ll be a flat cap. i feel like he could have gotten like 5x4years somewhere or something.
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ThinkTank posted:I think a lot of teams were rightfully questioning his shooting percentage and they'd have no chance to retain him beyond this year if they were capped out. Based on past deals for guys like that, his return would've been a 2nd round pick or a B prospect. Perhaps true, but in that case the Canucks should be questioning that same shooting percentage. I think the biggest issue here going forward is the timing, obviously you have to do it before the trade deadline, but the Canucks have to move a winger, even if Miller plays Centre. Brock, Kuzmenko, Garland, Podz, Hoglander, Pearson, Mikyehev - all notionally top 9 wingers. Now instead of getting screwed on getting rid of Garland or Brock they will get taken to the cleaners as they are forced into a move. Edit; that said if Petey said sign him, or even gave that indication then sure whatever. Find it hard to believe they are best buds after 4 months but whatever. VOTE1 fucked around with this message at 23:14 on Jan 26, 2023 |
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VOTE1 posted:
I think it's less them being best buds and more him getting his first consistent linemate ever.
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WeaponX posted:Harpur has been fine but he doesn’t really play like he is 6’6” and should be trying to murder guys more often He got wrecked trying to murder somebody against Pittsburgh in the preseason for Columbus.
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VOTE1 posted:Perhaps true, but in that case the Canucks should be questioning that same shooting percentage. Kuzmenko basically never shoots unless he's less than five feet from the net or he deflects the puck. He's going to have an above league average shooting percentage for his entire career unless he changes the way he plays.
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that kuzmenko signing is good but i'd love to see what kind of plan canucks management have where they don't just end up trading him at the deadline in two years as they miss the playoffs for the 5th consecutive season
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SoggyBobcat posted:Kuzmenko basically never shoots unless he's less than five feet from the net or he deflects the puck. He's going to have an above league average shooting percentage for his entire career unless he changes the way he plays. It's 17% with an average distance of 22 feet. Money puck has 20 goals from 13.5 expected for all situations. 5v5 it's 11 goals from 7.55 expected with 14.3% shooting and an average distance of 27 feet. Matthews, for comparison , is 15 goals on 16.65 expected and 8% shooting from a range of 26 feet at 5v5 this year. Last year it was 38 goals from 30 expected 27 foot average release point and 11% conversion at 5v5.
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Dan Cloutier is the best goalie of a generation. So many memories. Also re: Hasek - it's more that he shouldn't be in the top 10 alone. I'd atleast put Roy in there at a minimum. They're the top 3 goalies ever IMO and are on equal levels to me, each with their own strengths. Hasek was no doubt incredible in Buffalo. I'm also not really a fan of putting active players into "all time best" lists
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the thing that has always put hasek ahead of roy and brodeur for me is the 98 olympics. that czech team was not exactly full of all stars and he had a .97(!) GAA and a .963 SV . i mean thats just insane just lol at this piece of hockey on the internet history: 
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Jhet posted:It was used in that context in the 90s in soccer, but I haven't heard it in hockey context any other place. Sudden victory is how it's worded in USA Hockey, and it's Sudden Death in IIHF rules and in NHL context often enough (though overtime goal seems equally used). I think it's just a Canadian thing in hockey. For the current game, I'd just describe it as an 'OT goal,' or more specifically a 'what-the-gently caress-were-you-doing-there-Nurse-I-can't-believe-how-much-we-pay-you OT goal'.
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I understand that the Canucks have too much invested in wingers but Kuzmenko is fun and hasn’t even gotten a tonne if power play time. Plus he seems fairly charismatic and happy and he smiles a lot so at least he is a break from darkness.
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Yeah I've only ever heard golden goal in Soccer - usually in a tournament where it's sudden death without penalties. They don't tend to do these formats anymore.
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update on the Rangers/MSG using facial recognition to ban all employees who work at law firms that are suing them: our owner is currently going on TV slovenly wearing a Rangers scarf and looking/sounding like poo poo, threatening to purposefully stop liquor/beer sales at MSG during a Rangers game while putting signs like this up at all the vendors. still an upper-tier NHL owner. We Love JD & The Straight Shot, Sir DO YALL WANT A BOXC fucked around with this message at 01:33 on Jan 27, 2023 |
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https://twitter.com/llysowski/status/1618770480068165633?s=46&t=EN0HCb_wFsIkTKEgAF_SEw Sabres playoff hopes are dead if Samuelsson is out for an extended period. His injury earlier this season led to their 8-game losing streak. hosed up.
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WoodrowSkillson posted:bullshit putting yzerman behind sakic Awards voting factoring in is dumb. clean ayers act posted:the really baffling thing about the athletic's list is that they're doing it in the middle of the season The organizational prospect rankings are being released too! That's another month of summer content.
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clean ayers act posted:the thing that has always put hasek ahead of roy and brodeur for me is the 98 olympics. that czech team was not exactly full of all stars and he had a .97(!) GAA and a .963 SV . i mean thats just insane Only 4 D feels a little light.
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ThinkTank posted:I can't believe I'm doing this again, but man no Lidstrom is the 2nd best defenceman ever. He is the only defenceman over the age of 35 to have won the Norris Trophy in the expansion era, having done so three times including at age 40 (the year before he retired). He also won four other Norris trophies and a Conn Smythe for good measure. He made the playoffs every single year of his career and only retired because he wasn't interested in going through a rebuild. He likely had another 5 seasons in him if he'd wanted to keep going, his play had barely declined by age 41 when he hung them up. This discounts that Lidstrom's peak includes three distinct eras, all based on how much attention he was getting. - '95 to '98, where guys on the team and those that know better are saying Lidstrom is the best player on a Stanley Cup champion that features lots of popular, star forwards - '98 to '00, where Lidstrom is now being recognized as one of the best defensemen in hockey, but isn't really getting the credit for it because he isn't a large, bodychecking Canadian - '01 onward, where Lidstrom is the gold standard for defensemen across the NHL, with Norris and Conn Smythe trophies to solidify that Nick Lidstrom basically had a peak of 17 seasons. Never fell off. Never messed up. Eric the Mauve posted:Lidstrom was better than Bourque at everything except rippin' shots And the Red Wings played a much different system, at a different time, than those Bruins teams. Good Soldier Svejk posted:Much as I hate to grant it to him, he and Datsyuk on the ice were like a "you're not scoring and we're probably going to actually" button that a coach could push whenever he felt like There was a game in 2010 against the Flames where Lidstrom, Datsyuk, and Zetterberg went from outside the zone to scoring a tap-in goal in the last five seconds of the game, before Nick scored the winner in overtime. Absolutely crazy.
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