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I think Fox News has started using the term 'woke' more than anyone else has used it ever, it's like an obsession now. How many old people really give a poo poo?
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Mercury_Storm posted:I think Fox News has started using the term 'woke' more than anyone else has used it ever, it's like an obsession now. How many old people really give a poo poo? The word woke is technically a medicine, as hearing that word is that only thing that keeps their blood pressure high enough to not die.
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Lord Hydronium posted:It's like when I first heard about the lovely Matt Walsh and had to confirm it wasn't the same guy as the actor. Or like when that guy who looked just like Jay Johnston showed up at January 6 and... Oh. 
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It's woke to turn off your car engine. Don't be woke. Sit in your idling car in the garage, don't be a snowflake!!
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Jan 26, 2023 16:09
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Woke is just the new “PC culture”, where they can apply it to anything they don’t like.
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I find it darkly amusing that the people who gave us "redpilled" by misunderstanding The Matrix now complain about people being "woke" which is what the Red Pill technically does.
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Angry_Ed posted:I find it darkly amusing that the people who gave us "redpilled" by misunderstanding The Matrix now complain about people being "woke" which is what the Red Pill technically does.
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Seems like an extreme form of cope in order to rationalize the contradictions in their ideology. Instead of questioning their own beliefs or the hypocrisy of the world at large they just shut down and assume it's some fake universe-they gotta hang on to the idea that their concept of how the world should work is somehow the "real" one that totally exists all this time and that their conspiracy theories will be validated... Eventually.
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Panfilo posted:Seems like an extreme form of cope in order to rationalize the contradictions in their ideology. Instead of questioning their own beliefs or the hypocrisy of the world at large they just shut down and assume it's some fake universe-they gotta hang on to the idea that their concept of how the world should work is somehow the "real" one that totally exists all this time and that their conspiracy theories will be validated... Eventually. I don't think this take accounts enough for the reactionary point of view's anger and hatred of their targeted out group. I'd frame it more as they feel their ideal did exist at some nebulous point in the past, but now it's the perfidious liberal or what the gently caress ever target they're mad at today that has perverted their reality. Incorporates more of the increasingly normalized reaction of acceptable political violence and eliminationist rhetoric.
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bird food bathtub posted:I don't think this take accounts enough for the reactionary point of view's anger and hatred of their targeted out group. I'd frame it more as they feel their ideal did exist at some nebulous point in the past, but now it's the perfidious liberal or what the gently caress ever target they're mad at today that has perverted their reality. Incorporates more of the increasingly normalized reaction of acceptable political violence and eliminationist rhetoric. it's still the same problem tho - it's not that my beliefs are wrong, it's that the rest of the world isn't just wrong, they aren't even real. which in turn makes the hatred and violence even easier, because why should you care about something that isn't real? tbh its the whole snowflake mentality taken to its psychotic extreme
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bobjr posted:Woke is just the new “PC culture”, where they can apply it to anything they don’t like. They always need a catch-all term they can use to complain about everything without feeling like they're just old and cranky and afraid of change. Why am I mad that syrup lady changed? Am I just an old fart getting furious over every reminder no matter how petty and insignificant that the best days of my life were in 1980? No, I must be defending the culture against some insidious barbarian attack! VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 17:44 on Jan 26, 2023 |
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It's a marvelous way to see the euphemism treadmill in action.
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FFT posted:Who even knew A&W had a bear for a mascot in the first place? OgNar posted:People over 50. 90s kids in Canada know! They used to run A&W commercials a LOT up here with the Root Bear and the A&W trumpet theme. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBEiLw-V7zw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0XmQEXzoHU&t=2s We also had this banger that I'm surprised made it to TV at all: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMe3WDmxBEI
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bobjr posted:Woke is just the new “PC culture”, where they can apply it to anything they don’t like. See also: socialist/socialism, communist/communism, and various other similar things.
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I AM GRANDO posted:Fiscally conservative means that they want to use the powers of government to make black people suffer and die. Yes that's why libertarian chucklefucks say "socially liberal fiscally conservative" because it makes it sound like they're not socially conservative but there's no such thing. Fiscal conservative means being socially conservative via funding instead of passing laws outlawing being black or whatever.
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Jaxyon posted:Yes that's why libertarian chucklefucks say "socially liberal fiscally conservative" because it makes it sound like they're not socially conservative but there's no such thing.
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Dirk the Average posted:See also: socialist/socialism, communist/communism, and various other similar things. Even "support are troops" was the same poo poo. Don't support the Patriot act? Tax cuts? Social services cuts? Why do you hate the troops?! The bottom line for me for a long time now has been to regard the catchphrase du jour from the right the same way I do a crying child. The actual noises they make don't really mean anything except that they're upset, and the thing they're upset about probably doesn't even make any sense to be upset about. I guess the one difference between them and the child is "and they want you to shut up", which is only sometimes true of the upset child. The thing worth paying attention to is how the right wing media is making and keeping people scared and angry, and whether it's encoraching on your friends/family because that poo poo becomes a legit addiction and it is possible to catch some folks before they're too far gone.
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Are there equivalent concepts on the left? There are certainly things that constituents want that politicians absolutely will never pass and will use as a rallying cry, like various environmental policies and tax policies that don't favor billionaires. There are slogans that refer to various policies. There's an argument to be made that "Fascist" is hitting that point, but at the same time, what is happening in the US to right-wing politics is deeply disturbing and there was a literal attempt to overturn an election in the US facilitated by the President at the time.
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Jaxyon posted:Yes that's why libertarian chucklefucks say "socially liberal fiscally conservative" because it makes it sound like they're not socially conservative but there's no such thing. People I know who say that mean they support progressive things like gay marriage, but not using their tax dollars to fund some progressive things. I don't think it's "libertarian chucklekfucks" who can lay claim to this term, but yeah, I agree that libertarian's are chucklekfucks in general anyway.
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XtraSmiley posted:People I know who say that mean they support progressive things like gay marriage, but not using their tax dollars to fund some progressive things. I don't think it's "libertarian chucklekfucks" who can lay claim to this term, but yeah, I agree that libertarian's are chucklekfucks in general anyway. I mean mostly it's libertarians who says this because most of the other republican voters just admit to being socially conservative as well as fiscally. Libertarians want to vote for Republicans yet say they support legal weed and don't literally want to genocide the gays, even if they don't support them in any way that matters. But yes anyone who says any variation of that phrase is lying and is also a social conservative.
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Dirk the Average posted:Are there equivalent concepts on the left? There are certainly things that constituents want that politicians absolutely will never pass and will use as a rallying cry, like various environmental policies and tax policies that don't favor billionaires. There are slogans that refer to various policies. I feel like you can occasionally make the argument that Doomerism is the left's equivalent; it's not repeating, but it rhymes, as they say. The repeated points, the thought-terminating cliches, the helplessness but also "I'm the only one that can save the world" type poo poo.
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FlamingLiberal posted:The libertarian party is also currently being hijacked by Trump-era conservatives Yeah but they always said this poo poo and they always voted with Republicans. The libertarians who are mad about the 'hijack' are mostly mad about them making it obvious, not because they were actually not gonna vote for the fascists.
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IME woke works as an attack with older folks because it can mean anything you don't understand or don't like about young people. World changes fast, it's easy to feel left behind. Your niece is non binary? Woke. Kids don't wanna work (generally being exploited and dehumanized), woke. It's natural enough but the forces that co-opt that alienation are often stronger and more present than the voices that might bring them to understanding.Mellow Seas posted:Or like when that guy who looked just like Jay Johnston showed up at January 6 and... I was so delighted when I recognized him in trevor moore's "Gays got married". Super bummed when I heard the news (Jay Johnston jan 6 for this conversation, Trevor's death also sucked). Was there any other poo poo regarding him that suggested that kind of ideology? Neito posted:I feel like you can occasionally make the argument that Doomerism is the left's equivalent; it's not repeating, but it rhymes, as they say. The repeated points, the thought-terminating cliches, the helplessness but also "I'm the only one that can save the world" type poo poo. I think if you substitute "we're" for "I'm", doomerism has a solid point even by your synopsis. The helplessness is demonstratably accurate from a climate perspective.
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Dirk the Average posted:Are there equivalent concepts on the left? There are certainly things that constituents want that politicians absolutely will never pass and will use as a rallying cry, like various environmental policies and tax policies that don't favor billionaires. There are slogans that refer to various policies. Yes, outgroup terms that get wildly abused are common across the spectrum, e.g. "liberal" gets used for anyone looking to be designated as outside a chosen group's concept of leftism, "idpol" too, or "incrementalism". "fascist" also usually counts, because there's often not a factual underlying definition being applied. For example, the January 6 attack was only "fascist" under relatively expansive definitions or by attributing the underlying ideology of the people it supported- it's more accurate to say it was undemocratic, populist or a number of other terms. The term "fascist" is difficult because it's historically got so little consistent substance beneath it in the first place. "chud" similarly tells you nothing about who you're attaching it to other than that they're presumably right wing or conservative in some way. Neito posted:I feel like you can occasionally make the argument that Doomerism is the left's equivalent; it's not repeating, but it rhymes, as they say. The repeated points, the thought-terminating cliches, the helplessness but also "I'm the only one that can save the world" type poo poo. Albert Hirschman broadly identifies several arguments that can be used on the left to ruin discussion; among the ones commonly deployed on the left are imminent danger claims ("anything other than immediate, unquestioning action guarantees total failure of society"), and an argument he doesn't give a name, to but that is basically argument by ultimatum: "anything less than the immediate action I am demanding is really justifying the status quo, and proof that you are in favor of it". This last one is great for dismissing any specific action in favor of some other less achievable action that needs to happen first, now now now. In any ideological direction, the power of these arguments is that they can selectively dismiss information that might make more specific, complex, less ideal claims about the subject. They also tend to come as attacks and be couched in terms of hypothetical outcomes, which makes them distracting or hard to argue against with specifics. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 01:55 on Jan 27, 2023 |
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Panfilo posted:https://twitter.com/ProfDBernstein/status/1617885543756615683?t=XNQ9ZkUCNEUIEVhy6H595w&s=19 The text tells me to believe Dems are antisemitic, but the graph tells me Republicans are hella racist
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Dirk the Average posted:Are there equivalent concepts on the left? There are certainly things that constituents want that politicians absolutely will never pass and will use as a rallying cry, like various environmental policies and tax policies that don't favor billionaires. There are slogans that refer to various policies. I guess it depends on what you count, but this kind of thing happens all the time with anti gentrification arguments (bike lane opponents saying only gentrifiers ride bikes and so on)
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DarklyDreaming posted:The text tells me to believe Dems are antisemitic, but the graph tells me Republicans are hella racist I appreciate that, according to that poll, loving EVERYONE across the political spectrum absolutely hates Scientologists.
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Dirk the Average posted:Are there equivalent concepts on the left? There are certainly things that constituents want that politicians absolutely will never pass and will use as a rallying cry, like various environmental policies and tax policies that don't favor billionaires. There are slogans that refer to various policies. Neoliberalism became synonymous with any aspect of capitalism under critique for a while 7-10 years ago.
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XtraSmiley posted:People I know who say that mean they support progressive things like gay marriage, but not using their tax dollars to fund some progressive things. I don't think it's "libertarian chucklekfucks" who can lay claim to this term, but yeah, I agree that libertarian's are chucklekfucks in general anyway. Libertarians don't want the homeless LGBTQ+ teens dead because they're LGBTQ+...
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Discendo Vox posted:Yes, outgroup terms that get wildly abused are common across the spectrum, e.g. "liberal" gets used for anyone looking to be designated as outside a chosen group's concept of leftism, "idpol" too, or "incrementalism". "fascist" also usually counts, because there's often not a factual underlying definition being applied. For example, the January 6 attack was only "fascist" under relatively expansive definitions or by attributing the underlying ideology of the people it supported- it's more accurate to say it was undemocratic, populist or a number of other terms. The term "fascist" is difficult because it's historically got so little consistent substance beneath it in the first place. "chud" similarly tells you nothing about who you're attaching it to other than that they're presumably right wing or conservative in some way.  Can we not play thesaurus games, we can call Jan 6 fascist because the people planing and promoting it at its core to achieve an objective are violent, vanguard right wing groups that despised democratic processes delivering unfavorable outcomes and the general public, with specific allusions and desires related to historic fascist movements and pre-fascist racist groups. When a political leader has a bunch of wannabe brown-shirts show up for a putsch its very fascist, even if 70-80% of them aren't politically conscious enough to understand and articulate their actual demonstrated beliefs and deflect to a false narrative of victimization. Discendo Vox posted:Albert Hirschman broadly identifies several arguments that can be used on the left to ruin discussion; among the ones commonly deployed on the left are imminent danger claims ("anything other than immediate, unquestioning action guarantees total failure of society"), and an argument he doesn't give a name, to but that is basically argument by ultimatum: "anything less than the immediate action I am demanding is really justifying the status quo, and proof that you are in favor of it". This last one is great for dismissing any specific action in favor of some other less achievable action that needs to happen first, now now now. Yeah a lot of leftists have very irritating 'i am leftism' attitude that makes anyone more radical on an idea an utopian idealist, and anyone more conservative or even careful a reactionary.
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Yeah fascism isn't generally used incorrectly by people left of center, it's misuse is mainly from those on the right, who try and get it to be leftists. While libs and leftists generally mean actual fascists when they talk about fascism. Some More News has a whole episode on its misuse that's pretty good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgQChZEY0u0
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Panfilo posted:https://twitter.com/ProfDBernstein/status/1617885543756615683?t=XNQ9ZkUCNEUIEVhy6H595w&s=19 What the graph actually shows is that the blue dots linearly approximate somewhere close to vertical not too far off from zero. Overall not particularly favorable or unfavorable towards religion. The line that goes through the red dots though is racist as gently caress. Like remove atheist and agnostic and put Buddhist in with the other religions with similar unfavorable ratings and it’s pretty clear that religions that are more associated with mainstream white culture are more favored and the less mainstream white they are the less favorably they are viewed.
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Murgos posted:The line that goes through the red dots though is racist as gently caress. Like remove atheist and agnostic and put Buddhist in with the other religions with similar unfavorable ratings and it’s pretty clear that religions that are more associated with mainstream white culture are more favored and the less mainstream white they are the less favorably they are viewed. Also Unitarians at -24 with Republicans is some old school poo poo
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No, because the whole point is that "thesaurus games", aka the actual meaning of words, matters. You used a bunch of other more accurate terms in your description.
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The blue dots are also most disapproving of conservative religions that are working to oppress and may have harmed them or people that they know, because they're dominating forces in US society. The less conservative ones are either only slightly negative or fairly positive, like look at Unitarian Universalism, or even Episcopalians, both of which are positive on the blue dots. Which also shows the tweet is loving lying, because Judaism is a +9 for the blue dot and Wicca is +2, so no, Democrats do not have a more favorable view of Wicca than Jewish people. They do have a more favorable view of Wicca than Orthodox Judaism, but that's because (I think) Orthodox Judaism is more conservative than other denominations. But yeah, then you look at the red dots for something like Hinduism...which barely exists in the US, it certainly isn't anywhere close to a dominating force, and they're not even "scary" like Islam, in the sense that there's fearmongering about Muslims taking over the US and installing sharia law once they hit the dreaded 10% population number. And hey, even the blue dots have a slightly unfavorable opinion if Islam as well, partially because of the fearmongering about terrorism! The unfavorable view of Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, is literally just racism.
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