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the bitcoin of weed posted:imagine telling people to vote for democrats to protect abortion rights when the democrats were already in power while conservative judges overturned roe and their only response was to give more money to cops to protect those conservative judges. you loving rube. you dolt!!
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Jan 28, 2023 17:59
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croup coughfield posted:can you show an example or two of this being the case? preferably in terms of passed legislation within the last handful of years 1) Denying medicaid expansion https://www.kff.org/medicaid/issue-brief/status-of-state-medicaid-expansion-decisions-interactive-map/ 2) Consistent campaign against abortion, with successes leading to further attacks https://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/19/us/perry-signs-texas-abortion-restrictions-into-law.html https://reproductiverights.org/maps/abortion-laws-by-state/ 3) Attacking the rights of transgender people https://www.aclu.org/legislative-attacks-on-lgbtq-rights?state= https://www.texastribune.org/2022/12/14/ken-paxton-transgender-texas-data/ https://www.kff.org/other/issue-brief/youth-access-to-gender-affirming-care-the-federal-and-state-policy-landscape/ Lasting Damage posted:Then don't run a full slate, pick and choose ones that offer a tactical advantage, or where the odds are best their candidate can get it in front of a camera, whatever. Also campaigning for democrats or alternative candidates takes resources too, and merely recommending their members all vote for progressive millennial outsider #372 does nothing. I have not advocated for campaigning for democrats. You are assigning a position to me that is easier to argue against, rather than arguing against the one I have made. Vote =/= campaign. dead gay comedy forums posted:"Pragmatic voting" in terms of socialist action in the USA is very different than elsewhere because, as Julius Nyerere best said about it, "the United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them." Democrats have no qualms in bashing labor power in their strongholds if need be or address any particular civic issues. The precinct that got burnt after Floyd's death was in Minneapolis, which imho is a great reminder of the problem. And was Julius Nyerere saying that to make the point that pragmatic voting is worthless in the US? I suspect the quote's unrelated to what we're discussing. Our decision to vote or not to vote between the two parties isn't really empowering or disempowering the overall enemies of the working class. Communists in the US are very weak at this moment, Wherein the democrats and republicans are unified, their position is unassailable. It's going to be one of the two in charge. They are, undeniably, enemies of the working class. But just because they are enemies does not mean they are identical. Where they differ, republicans are almost always worse. Sometimes elections are close, and voting is a way to (however minutely on an individual level) tip the scale in favor of an outcome that is preferable to the alternative. At the end of the day, voting against republicans seems to have a direct material benefit, whereas most of the arguments against it seem kind of idealistic and focused on themes of contamination. AnimeIsTrash posted:if yoiu are unable to conceive of a world completely outside or devoid of the blue party maybe stop calling yourself a communist or socialist This person you describe, are they in the room with us right now? unwantedplatypus has issued a correction as of 18:14 on Jan 28, 2023 |
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Jan 28, 2023 18:09
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oy8CrizjKh4&t=2s I asked about the GDR itt a while back, I found this video while googling and it's an interview with an American defector to the Soviet Union who lived in the GDR. It's a pretty interesting video, and I just wanted to share.
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Jan 28, 2023 18:13
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unwantedplatypus posted:This person you describe, are they in the room with us right now? you cant play this card when the last 4+ pages of this thread have been about some cpusa bullshit where they advocated voting for the blue team
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Jan 28, 2023 18:14
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unwantedplatypus posted:1) Denying medicaid expansion they meant democrats doing actual good things, gotta work on that reading comprehension buddy
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Jan 28, 2023 18:18
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AnimeIsTrash posted:you cant play this card when the last 4+ pages of this thread have been about some cpusa bullshit where they advocated voting for the blue team It only seems big because people take such offense to it and start arguments over it. ex: I have plenty of other opinions on what communist organizations should be doing, and on the CPUSA itself but because I don't perform outrage at asking people to vote I'm the big electoralist democrat lover and people need to let me know! unwantedplatypus has issued a correction as of 18:29 on Jan 28, 2023 |
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Jan 28, 2023 18:20
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Maed posted:they meant democrats doing actual good things i did mean this yes. specifically, dems passing recent legislation with that big majority they had where they could've done pretty much anything i do find it weird that plat gets so much vitriol for a relatively benign opinion, even though he's obviously wrong.
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Jan 28, 2023 18:33
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The emotional power the vote has over people in US politics is tremendous. It's especially wild because it doesn't even matter in most races and we don't directly elect the President. People still form whole identities around the party they vote for every four years without engaging in other forms of organization.
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Jan 28, 2023 18:42
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Atrocious Joe posted:The emotional power the vote has over people in US politics is tremendous. It's especially wild because it doesn't even matter in most races and we don't directly elect the President. People still form whole identities around the party they vote for every four years without engaging in other forms of organization. yep I found this whole thing funny cause where I live most of the races are a dem running unopposed or judges who just run as both parties so my hypothetical vote literally does nothing anyway
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Jan 28, 2023 18:46
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AnimeIsTrash posted:you cant play this card when the last 4+ pages of this thread have been about some cpusa bullshit where they advocated voting for the blue team i knew they would try, but it should be obvious no one cares what their position is personally, we're talking about what cpusa's strategy should be. croup coughfield posted:i do find it weird that plat gets so much vitriol for a relatively benign opinion, even though he's obviously wrong. To read a dumbass post, without dogpiling the op and even to see counter revolutionary trolling without telling them to  . This is the sixth type of liberalism.
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Jan 28, 2023 18:50
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I live in a very republican state.
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Jan 28, 2023 18:51
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croup coughfield posted:i did mean this yes. specifically, dems passing recent legislation with that big majority they had where they could've done pretty much anything prob because electoralism is a constant debate in all of the major orgs and it sometimes feels like a rising tide that drowns everything in sight
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Jan 28, 2023 18:51
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unwantedplatypus posted:I live in a very republican state. thats cool pls provide those examples tho
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Jan 28, 2023 18:57
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Lasting Damage posted:i knew they would try, but it should be obvious no one cares what their position is personally, we're talking about what cpusa's strategy should be. Come on now, plenty of it was personal and I have the right to speak against it when it's personal.
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Jan 28, 2023 18:58
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croup coughfield posted:thats cool pls provide those examples tho I can't, but I also never claimed that the democrats pass good legislation. I also provided examples of areas where the republicans are doing harmful things that the democrats are not. But the goalposts shifted. unwantedplatypus has issued a correction as of 19:04 on Jan 28, 2023 |
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Jan 28, 2023 19:01
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I wish more orgs would do meetings online. I'm a 3 hour drive each way from any actual face to face organizing left of Indivisible and I'm too old to do the whole "roll in at 2 and be up for work at 6 because the org meets on Tuesdays".
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Jan 28, 2023 19:07
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Okay...let's all go do some peaceful protesting Or how about we start publishing a zine?
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Jan 28, 2023 19:08
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Fish of hemp posted:Or how about we start publishing a zine? podcasts are the new hip thing daddy-o
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Jan 28, 2023 19:13
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Yeah people don't do enough zines. Podcasts are too national & commercial. I want more local papers where people can name and shame their landlord or their lovely boss
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Jan 28, 2023 19:16
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if you live in the south tehre is a 100% chance that at least one of the blue voters in your area that is 1 push away from conducting a shining path style wave of terror on the reactionaries around them
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Jan 28, 2023 19:35
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Fish of hemp posted:Or how about we start publishing a zine? so long as you're doing that instead of voting for dems! the bar is very low in amerikkka. unwantedplatypus posted:I can't, but I also never claimed that the democrats pass good legislation. I also provided examples of areas where the republicans are doing harmful things that the democrats are not. But the goalposts shifted. i don't think the goalposts have moved, at least to me, because i view democrat inaction and republican action to be both really bad. while the blue team dithers and says all the nice culture war things, the red team just keeps pumping resources into finding new strategies to undemocratically impose their death cult world view on everyone. just look at how their inaction to do anything about court appointments has led to an ironclad control of the scotus by a bunch of reactionary psychos. its a false choice, i think.
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Jan 28, 2023 19:36
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Lasting Damage posted:for gods sakes just do something, anything, other than tell people to vote for the democratic party https://www.tiktok.com/embed/7106086832575647019
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Jan 28, 2023 20:03
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The cpusa tweets pictured in this tweet are what started the whole exchange (I believe this was in yet another, earlier thread which I cannot be bothered to find) not the thing about the ballot measure, so it's exactly what I said. https://twitter.com/RodericDay/status/1618333206193004546 Anyway here's some more communism https://twitter.com/RodericDay/status/1619125276776226821 https://twitter.com/rogsalmon/status/1619154200109412352 I'm not saying they shouldn't do some manner of electoralism, or you are bad if you personally want to vote dem, but the intent is clear and the amount of disingenuous handwringing from members was absurd.
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Jan 28, 2023 22:55
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god i hate twitter
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Jan 28, 2023 22:57
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AnimeIsTrash posted:you amerifats have 800000000 threads on this subforum to talk about you countrys lovely politics, wghy do you always turn every thread into the same
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Jan 28, 2023 23:07
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Fascinating, informative Doc when you have the free time. https://twitter.com/BoltzmannBooty/status/1619406865066262529?t=UAkfR-5jhuhaGzgRtmiqRg&s=19 gonna need two sleeping pills to get some shut eye tonight!1!1!
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Jan 28, 2023 23:48
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Centrist Committee posted:god i hate twitter Counterpoint: nothing has done more to show just how loving stupid everyone who gets even a shadow of a sliver of responsibility is than Twitter. Used to be you'd need to actually show up and hear people say stupid things or talk to them in private. Now we've culturally streamlined the process so it only requires putting a few words into a search box. Who says capitalism doesn't drive efficiency?
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Jan 29, 2023 00:44
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no more tweets
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Jan 29, 2023 00:48
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no more tweets no more votes no more posts about USA pol soooooo. How about that International?
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Jan 29, 2023 01:23
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croup coughfield posted:no more tweets This but said in the voice of Ozzy Osbourne singing "no more tears".
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Jan 29, 2023 01:23
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Azathoth posted:Counterpoint: nothing has done more to show just how loving stupid everyone who gets even a shadow of a sliver of responsibility is than Twitter. Used to be you'd need to actually show up and hear people say stupid things or talk to them in private. Now we've culturally streamlined the process so it only requires putting a few words into a search box. Who says capitalism doesn't drive efficiency? oof, hoist by my own dialectic
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Jan 29, 2023 01:31
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Azathoth posted:This but said in the voice of Ozzy Osbourne singing "no more tears". mental wounds not healing,
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Jan 29, 2023 01:51
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AnimeIsTrash posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oy8CrizjKh4&t=2s I enjoyed this video. Thank you for posting it
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Jan 29, 2023 01:54
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Azathoth posted:This but said in the voice of Ozzy Osbourne singing "no more tears". croup coughfield posted:mental wounds not healing, lol
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Jan 29, 2023 03:18
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The J6 uprisers voted Republican and saw no contradiction in doing so.
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Jan 29, 2023 03:28
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Azathoth posted:Counterpoint: nothing has done more to show just how loving stupid everyone who gets even a shadow of a sliver of responsibility is than the Internet. Used to be you'd need to actually show up and hear people say stupid things or talk to them in private. Now we've culturally streamlined the process so it only requires putting a few words into a search box. Who says capitalism doesn't drive efficiency? Ftfy
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Jan 29, 2023 05:26
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What if we joined CPUSA and pushed the party left.
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Jan 29, 2023 05:31
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Computer Podcasters of the USA
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Jan 29, 2023 05:32
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Cpt_Obvious posted:What if we joined CPUSA and pushed the party left. what if a party didnt suck
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Jan 29, 2023 05:34
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Raskolnikov38 posted:what if a party didnt suck 
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