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DizzyBum
Apr 16, 2007


Greninja down, solo Slowbro does it again. :hellyeah:

Here's the build and strategy I used (spoilering in case anyone wants to figure it out themselves):


Slowbro / Own Tempo
Tera: Psychic
@Shell Bell
+SpAtk / -Atk
EVs: HP, SpAtk
Stored Power
Nasty Plot
Iron Defense
Slack Off

Slightly modified from the Cinderace OHKO build. The strategy is to stall out for a few turns at the beginning until Greninja resets your stats, then boost up to +6 SpAtk and +6 Def and Stored Power his rear end until he dies. Slack Off if HP drops too low. Tera as soon as you can. He shields fairly early in the fight, so you will be able to chunk through it and most of his HP before he throws out two more Double Teams, and then you just need to plink him one more time.

The only dangers I can forsee are too many Night Slash crits or repeated misses thanks to Double Team. You could try to stall out the rest of his HP by spamming Slack Off and cheers to help the NPCs live long enough to whittle him down.

DizzyBum fucked around with this message at 21:27 on Jan 27, 2023

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Lux Anima
Apr 17, 2016


Dinosaur Gum
Gastrodon build for Greninja:

Tera: Ground
Ability: Storm Drain
Item: Assault Vest
EVs: +HP to max, rest in SpATK, SpDEF, DEF
Nature: Bold or Calm
Attacks:
Mud Slap
Earth Power
Clear Smog
Chilling Water

Instructions:
Clear Smog R1 and whenever greninja Double Teams, as needed.
Mud Slap 2+ times, until your team feels 'safe', then tera and blast away with Earth Power.
Chilling Water is there to help reduce greninja's dark attack damage vs allies or to boost other Gastrodons that have Storm Drain or to heal allies with Water Absorb, like Vaporeon.

Lux Anima fucked around with this message at 01:35 on Jan 28, 2023

Hrist
Feb 21, 2011


Lipstick Apathy
1 fight, 1 catch.

I used a Toxapex. Functionally invincible. And you don't make Slowbros cry. Their feelings are very important to the meta. You have to data mine the raid it to see that though.

Tera: Poison
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP 192 Def 64 SpD
Nature: Bold

Chilling Water
Recover
Toxic
Haze

The secret is having a team that doesn't use pokemon they saw and don't know how to use. This build doesn't work offensively for this raid. But it keeps you from taking more than 10 HP from anything Greeninja did. And I was already using this in singles anyway. So you can do support if you want. No one died, and we won in a few minutes instead of a forever slog just to lose. The slowbro only did like 5 turns of set up too. Instead of the usual entire time bar.

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

ドーナツダメ!
I’m sad female Oinkologne doesn’t learn brick break or cross chop.

wizard2
Apr 4, 2022
I'm looking for literally any suggestions for patches for either Crystal or Emerald that are 100% Legal for Bank/Home. What's best? What are my options? I've never played a romhack ever.

edit: I never did a Nuzlocke ever either!

wizard2 fucked around with this message at 14:57 on Jan 28, 2023

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

ドーナツダメ!

wizard2 posted:

I'm looking for literally any suggestions for patches for either Crystal or Emerald that are 100% Legal for Bank/Home. What's best? What are my options? I've never played a romhack ever.

I don't think there are any. Even if you were able to patch Crystal and Emerald and upload a playable version to a cartridge, you need to go through the Gen 4 games and a DS or DSLite to even get it into Bank. And I'd be willing to guess that near any fuckery with the code in those games would mess with the ability to sync it with a Gen 4 cartridge.

Edit: After some digging, it looks like there's a version of Crystal Clear that can sync with the Poketransporter to get mons into a Gen 4 game if its set up right. But good luck finding it. I think there are also ways to get Pokemon generated through PKSM or PKHeX uploaded to the Switch generations, but it doesn't really involve the random generation you get with ROMhacks. You're just straight up hacking pokemon at that point.

AlternateNu fucked around with this message at 16:10 on Jan 28, 2023

Shneak
Mar 6, 2015

A sad Professor Plum
sitting on a toilet.
If y'all see me struggling out here in these Greninja raids without EV trained Pokemon, no you didn't (I just beat the game)

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?
I simply got a froakie in my Scarlet early-game surprise trade last night!

It's hard to pick a team in these games, but it's also easy to keep like 20 pokemon levelled up so that's fine.

Hammerite
Mar 9, 2007

And you don't remember what I said here, either, but it was pompous and stupid.
Jade Ear Joe

Aerofallosov posted:

I have a shiny Rufflet if you'd like 'im.

Thanks, I got one

Flopsy posted:

Pretty sure they're as dead as an AI can be man. Unless the entity actually granted their one wish.

AI Sada is in the next Legends game. The VP of Pokemon of Nintendo contacted me in a dream and told me

xedo
Nov 7, 2011

Surprise trade got me all three starters on my first night playing, just absolutely wonderful.

I was running around the other night and suddenly realized a murkrow in a group was purple. My second shiny find ever! I'm workshopping a name, probably will be CarmenSander after the sanderling bird.

QuickbreathFinisher
Sep 28, 2008

by reading this post you have agreed to form a gay socialist micronation.
`
Just beat Greninja with my stored power Vaporeon and an online team of... two Stored Power Slowbros and a second Stored Power Vaporeon. Took us a while to get going but smoked him once we got bulked.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

xedo posted:

Surprise trade got me all three starters on my first night playing, just absolutely wonderful.

I was running around the other night and suddenly realized a murkrow in a group was purple. My second shiny find ever! I'm workshopping a name, probably will be CarmenSander after the sanderling bird.

That's a pretty good name imo! I like to name Murkrow 'Hecuba' or 'Hecate' or something classical-sounding. Doesn't really work if you're going to evolve it though actually 'Hecuba' is a pretty good name for a scary mob boss lady.

Mustached Demon
Nov 12, 2016

Lux Animus posted:

Gastrodon build for Greninja:

Tera: Ground
Ability: Storm Drain
Item: Assault Vest
EVs: +HP to max, rest in SpATK, SpDEF, DEF
Nature: Bold or Calm
Attacks:
Mud Slap
Earth Power
Clear Smog
Chilling Water

Instructions:
Clear Smog R1 and whenever greninja Double Teams, as needed.
Mud Slap 2+ times, until your team feels 'safe', then tera and blast away with Earth Power.
Chilling Water is there to help reduce greninja's dark attack damage vs allies or to boost other Gastrodons that have Storm Drain or to heal allies with Water Absorb, like Vaporeon.

I used stock pile instead of chilling water but yeah gastrodon is great. Start stocking after you get to the wipe stats turn. What you're going for is to have an unkillable monster ready to spam tera'd earth powers once the shield is up.

xedo
Nov 7, 2011

HopperUK posted:

That's a pretty good name imo! I like to name Murkrow 'Hecuba' or 'Hecate' or something classical-sounding. Doesn't really work if you're going to evolve it though actually 'Hecuba' is a pretty good name for a scary mob boss lady.

Thanks! And agreed on Hecuba, whom I have somehow never heard of before!

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

xedo posted:

Thanks! And agreed on Hecuba, whom I have somehow never heard of before!

I'm a big old Shakespeare nerd. There's a bit in Hamlet where he's finding himself unable to act to take revenge for his father's murder, and he watches an actor performing a scene and doing it really well, like getting tearful and passionate, and he's like, holy poo poo, look at that guy, look at all that feeling and I can't even *act* to avenge my real dad whom I loved in real life.

quote:

O, what a rogue and peasant slave am I!
Is it not monstrous that this player here,
But in a fiction, in a dream of passion,
Could force his soul so to his own conceit
That from her working all his visage wann'd,
Tears in his eyes, distraction in's aspect,
A broken voice, and his whole function suiting
With forms to his conceit? And all for nothing!
For Hecuba!
What's Hecuba to him, or he to Hecuba,
That he should weep for her?

...anyway how's them Greninja raids going fuckos

Zuzie
Jun 30, 2005

I got this for a Ratatta on GTS.


Really hoping the next 7 star raid is something that isn't a fire or water starter that can be handled by Slowbro with Stored Power

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?
Incineroar has entered the chat

Scholtz
Aug 24, 2007

Zorchin' some Flemoids

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79WYaflsGCQ

Wolfe Glick is hosting an Invitational Tournament today, 8 content creators that were coached by 8 pros.

It started about 30 minutes ago and they're about to wrap up interviews; seems like it'll be pretty fun and it's in person so the energy is great so far.

Commentary Couch:
-Wolfe
-Rosemary Kelley
-Aaron Zheng
-Aaron Traylor

Trainers:
-Ludwig
-JaidenAnimations
-Sykkuno
-Alpharad
-LilyPichu
-ConnorEatsPants
-Void
-BoxBox

Flopsy
Mar 4, 2013

HopperUK posted:

I'm a big old Shakespeare nerd. There's a bit in Hamlet where he's finding himself unable to act to take revenge for his father's murder, and he watches an actor performing a scene and doing it really well, like getting tearful and passionate, and he's like, holy poo poo, look at that guy, look at all that feeling and I can't even *act* to avenge my real dad whom I loved in real life.

...anyway how's them Greninja raids going fuckos

Put mine in a moon ball so now I have the trifecta. Since they don't drop herbs I've been slumming it elsewhere.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

Scholtz posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79WYaflsGCQ

Wolfe Glick is hosting an Invitational Tournament today, 8 content creators that were coached by 8 pros.

It started about 30 minutes ago and they're about to wrap up interviews; seems like it'll be pretty fun and it's in person so the energy is great so far.


oh poo poo I forgot all about this, thank you

Hammerite
Mar 9, 2007

And you don't remember what I said here, either, but it was pompous and stupid.
Jade Ear Joe

HopperUK posted:

...anyway how's them Greninja raids going fuckos

2/4 successes so far. Seems like a bit of a crapshoot because of all the evasion nonsense

Armarouge has done ok in spite of being weak to both Hydro Pump and Night Slash

DizzyBum
Apr 16, 2007


I noticed that none of the in-game sandwich recipes, food stands, or restaurants give Raid Power Poison bonuses, so here's a really quick recipe for Raid Power Poison Lv. 1:

1x Green Bell Pepper
1x Horseradish
1x Whipped Cream

Sweet & Hot flavor combo gives a Raid bonus, so I'm assuming you could combine those two condiments with any one of the mono-type ingredients to make any Raid Power Lv1.

Desperate Character
Apr 13, 2009

DizzyBum posted:

I noticed that none of the in-game sandwich recipes, food stands, or restaurants give Raid Power Poison bonuses, so here's a really quick recipe for Raid Power Poison Lv. 1:

1x Green Bell Pepper
1x Horseradish
1x Whipped Cream

Sweet & Hot flavor combo gives a Raid bonus, so I'm assuming you could combine those two condiments with any one of the mono-type ingredients to make any Raid Power Lv1.

I found out the recipe for raid power lvl2 poison (search raid power 2 sandwich Reddit to find the post with all of them)

The recipe is two potato tortillas and four chorizo; the condiments are two mustard, peanut butter and pepper

Flopsy
Mar 4, 2013

Desperate Character posted:

I found out the recipe for raid power lvl2 poison (search raid power 2 sandwich Reddit to find the post with all of them)

The recipe is two potato tortillas and four chorizo; the condiments are two mustard, peanut butter and pepper

This game really posits the question what horrors are you willing to digest for them sweet sweet raid boosts.

Xander B Coolridge
Sep 2, 2011
Can't believe we still beat a Gren raid despite a coked up Cinderace repeatedly yeeting itself into heaven with High Jump Kick after the double team buffs

Genuinely the most entertaining thing that's happened to me in this game in weeks. I couldn't help but laugh

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?
if the raid is going bad enough (like the one I was just in where the slowbro is doing stored power without buffing and the clodsire is still spamming amnesia past the three you need to max out) I just start killing teammates, not wasting time waiting for the bar to tick down

Paramemetic
Sep 29, 2003

Area 51. You heard of it, right?





Fallen Rib

indigi posted:

if the raid is going bad enough (like the one I was just in where the slowbro is doing stored power without buffing and the clodsire is still spamming amnesia past the three you need to max out) I just start killing teammates, not wasting time waiting for the bar to tick down

Like after the reset? Slowbro might as well throw stored power pre reset to build up Tera.

I went three times. First time had another bro, an Umbreon and a tinkaton who both just fed.

Second time, I won: two bros, a Lucario, and a Qwilfish. The other two didn't do anything noticable, but they also didn't faint, so, you know. The other bro and I were in perfect sync and we murdered it easily.

I went back for a third run where we had two Vaporeon and an iron hands and the iron hands just got ate up immediately lmao.

Nessa
Dec 15, 2008

I managed to get Greninja on my 4th try with my Clodsire. The team had a Slowbro, another Clodsire and something else I forget. I just spammed earthquake and somehow we won.

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

Paramemetic posted:

Like after the reset?

yeah. after the clear they did it twice, healed, then did it again, no buffs. I'm not waiting out the timer at that point

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

ドーナツダメ!

indigi posted:

if the raid is going bad enough (like the one I was just in where the slowbro is doing stored power without buffing and the clodsire is still spamming amnesia past the three you need to max out) I just start killing teammates, not wasting time waiting for the bar to tick down

If someone is doing that, 80% chance it is a disconnect and the AI is just launching the only damaging attack it has. 10% chance it is a kid who copied a list but doesn't know how to run it. 10% chance its a troll who is just loving with you.

Furnaceface
Oct 21, 2004




Does the Steam Engine ability stop water damage or just boost speed when hit by it? Wondering if I could turn this shiny Coalossal into something useful. :v:

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

AlternateNu posted:

If someone is doing that, 80% chance it is a disconnect and the AI is just launching the only damaging attack it has. 10% chance it is a kid who copied a list but doesn't know how to run it. 10% chance its a troll who is just loving with you.

sure but it was 2 at once and Amnesia doesn't do damage. maybe I got unlucky with one kid and one troll

PKMN Trainer Red
Oct 22, 2007



Furnaceface posted:

Does the Steam Engine ability stop water damage or just boost speed when hit by it? Wondering if I could turn this shiny Coalossal into something useful. :v:

You still take the damage before you get the boost.

Furnaceface
Oct 21, 2004




PKMN Trainer Red posted:

You still take the damage before you get the boost.

Well that wont work then, drats.

I dont think I have anything that I can take to a 7 star raid right now. :(

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

ドーナツダメ!

indigi posted:

sure but it was 2 at once and Amnesia doesn't do damage. maybe I got unlucky with one kid and one troll

Multiple disconnects are not uncommon. It could've been you who disconnected and all three turned AI.

Also, the AI doesn't JUST attack. That was only an example. But it doesn't do complex strategy. It will use stat moves sometimes.

Lux Anima
Apr 17, 2016


Dinosaur Gum

AlternateNu posted:

Multiple disconnects are not uncommon. It could've been you who disconnected and all three turned AI.

Also, the AI doesn't JUST attack. That was only an example. But it doesn't do complex strategy. It will use stat moves sometimes.

I had a Greninja run with 3 japanese players: 2 Slowbro and 1 Clodsire. The clodsire started spamming Megahorn r1 and I thought the Slowbros decided to "throw" by spamming unbuffed Stored Power afterwards until we wiped.

Now I am much more relieved to consider that the meta isn't actually that toxic around the 7-star raids and that I just had a total disconnect from the other players, because on that run I'd almost turned it around and broken the shield mostly by myself before I decided to "let 'er rip" and use clear smog to remove all the evasion increases and accuracy decreases on the Greninja, signalling the incoming wipe times.

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

AlternateNu posted:

Multiple disconnects are not uncommon. It could've been you who disconnected and all three turned AI.

Also, the AI doesn't JUST attack. That was only an example. But it doesn't do complex strategy. It will use stat moves sometimes.

Well that loving sucks that they saddle you with their garbage AI, still take time off the clock for team deaths, and don't let you run early

DizzyBum
Apr 16, 2007


Desperate Character posted:

I found out the recipe for raid power lvl2 poison (search raid power 2 sandwich Reddit to find the post with all of them)

The recipe is two potato tortillas and four chorizo; the condiments are two mustard, peanut butter and pepper

Nice, thanks. It's really hard to figure out some Lv. 2 sandwiches without resorting to Herba Mystica.

There are a few sandwich generator apps out there, but they're more like simulators and in-game recipe searches. There's nothing I've found that lets you search for a specific power and have it generate recipes for you.

e: I love building the massive sandwiches, they're so funny. This thing has 12 sausages and 2 giant tortillas in it and it's like a foot high.

DizzyBum fucked around with this message at 04:35 on Jan 29, 2023

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

ドーナツダメ!

indigi posted:

Well that loving sucks that they saddle you with their garbage AI, still take time off the clock for team deaths, and don't let you run early

Yup. Welcome to S/V online play. :v:

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HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?
So the hacked 6IV shinies - are they safe to send into Home for the pokedex, or no? I wouldn't use them in raids or online or anything of course. Never even had one before and I've got two in two days. Shiny annihilape is not as cool as I'd hoped.

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