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Hadlock posted:I've never seen a chain just chilling on the outside before, that's... very interesting. I'm always worried a wave comes and sucks my tshirt into the belt while I'm diagnosing a fuel problem and it's running. Exposed chain with sprocket teeth is next level finger chopper  Thank you for the input. It being a pacific seacraft, and the interior being decent, is what caught my eye. 25k in refits seems like a lot, but I think thats sorta to be expected on any boat thats as old as I am  it also seems like this is the kinda boat I actually could take to Fiji, although it would be slow AF. Also yeah I would want to do something with the engine. My heart wants to go electric for numerous reasons but it seems unrealistic on a boat this heavy/old. EDIT also heavily agreed on the teak. Assuming nothing is leaking through, and AFAIK the pacific seacraft are solid core decks? that poo poo can be done one-handed somewhere tropical, upgrading to two hands if sufficiently buzzed 
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Vampire Panties posted:25k in refits seems like a lot, 25k in refits, and four of your prime years 
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Unless your dream is to fix up an old boat, it is always a better idea to spend more up-front on a boat in better condition than otherwise. But if your dream isn't sailing/boating as much as fixing up a boat to sail/motor on, then go for it.
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I'm so glad I went ahead and got a note on our boat*. The day they signed the title over to us, we motored out and took it for a sail. No issues. Then we did that every weekend for ~2 years with no issues. Buying a boat you feel is unsafe to leave the slip, is , not great. Even if you do most of the labor yourself, every hour at the dock is an hour you're not spending sailing. For every 3 hours sailing, it feels like I spend at least an hour cleaning the boat or fixing/replacing random things. And another 20 minutes ordering stuff from defender.com, or driving an hour out of my way to buy it from west marine. Having the boat ready to go and utilizing your investment on day 1 is extremely safisfying. *Do not get a note on a boat
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I took the BoatUS class, and the ASA "do this online before learning to sail" class, and signed up to learn to sail dinghies with the local sailing club on our mountain lake ($25 for the weekend, repaid when you complete the weekend). Our neighbor who offered to help loaned me a book on the Hartley Wayfarer he's got, but it'll be a few months before the water level is up again for sail boats. I think I've talked myself out of signing up for an ASA 101 class, but that's mostly because the local free options are seeming pretty good.
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That's awesome. Sail (race?) those dinghies and you'll get a understanding of how to trim a sail, and reading the wind and water. That will put you in a good place if you want to move up to keel boats. In the ASA course you'll be able to focus on things like navigation, traffic awareness and crew management instead of trying to remember which way to push the tiller.
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Karma Comedian posted:I love my big dumb mantus anchor. As you should, I meant Mantus when I said Manson. Both (and Rocna and probably others) make good concave anchors. I will go on a holy war against using stainless steel anywhere on your anchor gear. This goes for anchors (overpriced, pointless), chain (overpriced, dangerous), and shackles (dangerous). Only exception is for mousing the shackle pins. Stainless work hardens a lot faster than mild steel, and there are numerous examples of stainless anchor gear fatiguing and failing after relatively short duty.
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Stainless steel anchor gear is for marina queens to keep all polished and shiny, not to actually use.
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monsterzero posted:you'll be able to focus on things like navigation, traffic awareness and crew management instead of trying to remember which way to push the tiller. You do not want to be this guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcH5BWwI74k&t=37s "hey let's not hit that ship, veer left, veer LEFT" *crew pushes tiller left, and boat directly into the path of oncoming ship*
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Oh yeah do not be me, don't buy stainless steel chain. Sorry. You are correct. I bought stainless steel chain because my boat is tiny inside and doesn't have a dedicated anchor locker, and it spends most of it's time in a cramped settee locker I don't want to clean rust out of. I also grossly oversized it because of crevice corossion being an issue on stainless chain. I use my anchor maybe once every other year, primarily as a lunch hook.
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Vampire Panties posted:Also yeah I would want to do something with the engine. My heart wants to go electric for numerous reasons but it seems unrealistic on a boat this heavy/old. Hybrid diesel-electric is an option these days too. Seems to provide a lot of benefit for more than just propulsion too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xohxmwPfctg&t=1497s
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It's also hilariously expensive. I'd love a system like that but it would completely blow my cruising budget and I'm doing a full lithium upgrade, new electronics, new sails, a hard solar array, and new running rigging this year.
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n0tqu1tesane posted:Hybrid diesel-electric is an option these days too. Seems to provide a lot of benefit for more than just propulsion too: Kenshin posted:It's also hilariously expensive. I'd love a system like that but it would completely blow my cruising budget and I'm doing a full lithium upgrade, new electronics, new sails, a hard solar array, and new running rigging this year.  I've done some math on costs for batteries and such, and it gets wild really fast. There's a dude on Youtube who spent 250k 5 years ago on batteries. solar panels, electric drives, and diesel gensets to convert his Cat to entirely electric drive, no sails. LiPo and flexible solar panels have come a long way in efficiency in that short time, and all of the stuff is significantly less expensive, but still. If those toroidal props actually pan out to be 20% improvement, especially in capturing electricity as the boat sails, then it may be realistic to start refitting boats. Otherwise, with the costs and performance tradeoffs and overall engineering challenges of building a new system into an existing boat, it makes more sense to go absolutely ham and have someone build you a boat. If I won the lottery I would probably call Neel, hand them the black card, and tell them to figure out a hybrid 47 for me but right now it just doesn't seem feasible.
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I just got my second house bank battery, once it's installed this weekend I'll have 600ah of LiFePo4 
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Completely different but I fell down the LiFePO4 rabbit hole last year while putting this little guy together.  When camping we bring two 50ah batteries and a folder solar panel. That’s enough to quietly putt around the lake for a few days. I think all-told I spent $750 on the inflatable hull, trolling motor, batteries, chargers, and accessories. Kind of silly but soooooo much fun per dollar.
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App13 posted:Completely different but I fell down the LiFePO4 rabbit hole last year while putting this little guy together. I love this so much  I got myself a new(to me) windlass from the marine consignment store in town! 
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Karma Comedian posted:I love this so much Lil boat + wife + umbrella + joint has resulted in some of the fondest moments of my life. There’s a little island at one of the state parks that has a boat-in only campsite, which is what’s pictured here. 20 minutes to setup, 20 minutes to tear down. Fits in a Prius. Can’t beat it.
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I think I'm getting too many projects running through my head. Someone tell me that repainting my hull is a bad idea. Is it a big project? I haven't done it before. I've put on antifoul a bunch which is nothing.
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Hull, or hull and deck? I repainted a Catalina 30 hull at... 11 years old? On the street in front of our house. That's fine. Deck is another beast though. It is too much, disassembling all that half broken hardware that's corroded in place? Nightmare fuel. Most deck hardware needs two people to remove it. Then afterwards you have to buy/reinstall/install everything
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Oh, just the hull, I know the deck would be a nightmare. At most I might put some koala grip on the non-skid at some point, but I don't think that's this year.
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enki42 posted:I think I'm getting too many projects running through my head. Someone tell me that repainting my hull is a bad idea. Like the hull above the waterline? Maybe you have ~reasons~ but you can't see that poo poo from the cockpit, and dull gelcoat or lovely paint won't sink you.
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monsterzero posted:Like the hull above the waterline? Maybe you have ~reasons~ but you can't see that poo poo from the cockpit, and dull gelcoat or lovely paint won't sink you. Oh, 100% vanity, I got all the have to fix stuff done and now I just want it to look pretty.
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Some goon should buy this 57 footer so I can come sail with them: https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/boa/d/richmond-57-foot-custom-blue-water-ketch/7582882450.html
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Pham Nuwen posted:Some goon should buy this 57 footer so I can come sail with them: https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/boa/d/richmond-57-foot-custom-blue-water-ketch/7582882450.html I'm assuming this is so inexpensive because finding a place to store it is practically impossible? These sorts of listings are always a crackup. Buncha disjointed pictures, practically no description of the boat itself, at least two faux-artsy pics of the same thing taken at slightly different angles.
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Vampire Panties posted:I'm assuming this is so inexpensive because finding a place to store it is practically impossible? Or just because a 52 year old wooden boat of that size is just a giant sucking black hole for money? As it's a custom build there will be zero parts available and every single repair will be a custom job (other than minor stuff or maybe engine parts).
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Vampire Panties posted:I'm assuming this is so inexpensive because finding a place to store it is practically impossible? Half the time if you call the guy you'll get the entire play by play of both circumnavigations They're selling the boat basically for the value of the perkins diesel and a handful of other big ticket items like the windlass and probably generator and the six tons of bronze fittings A boat that size is nice in some hosed up ways, because it's so massive and overbuilt, nothing really wears out you just need to replace the consumables and repaint everything once a year or so. You just need infinite time to keep up with the maintenance. Like when you're busy doing a circumnavigation. Probably not an ideal candidate for marina queen whose owner only goes to the dock twice a month 54' slips in my area go for looks like $795 and $942, per month, they'll definitely allow you an exception to keep a 57' boat in a 54' slip
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The Locator posted:Or just because a 52 year old wooden boat of that size is just a giant sucking black hole for money? As it's a custom build there will be zero parts available and every single repair will be a custom job (other than minor stuff or maybe engine parts). Hadlock posted:Half the time if you call the guy you'll get the entire play by play of both circumnavigations This was sorta my view on it.. its so huge and solidly built, and it needs so much ongoing maintenance, that basically you buy this thing if you plan on sailing to Fiji the second you can get a crew together. Its care and feeding are going to be nearly identical sitting at anchor or in the South Pacific, and while its sorta weird that every single repair will be a custom job, thats how most homes are at a certain level it also makes things a lot easier - its always going to involve woodworking and some sort of epoxy I wish I were anywhere close to the Bay because I'd go take a look.
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Kenshin posted:It's almost certainly a hulk that is nearly falling apart They were actively sailing it up until covid hit, it looks like: http://www.sailingacross.com/
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Kenshin posted:It's almost certainly a hulk that is nearly falling apart Pham Nuwen posted:They were actively sailing it up until covid hit, it looks like: http://www.sailingacross.com/ The first COVID furloughs were nearly 3 years ago. Plenty of time for a boat like that to pick up some really nasty incurable diseases. On the other hand, also totally possible that the thing is a floating tank and (cosmetic poo poo aside) is ready for another circumnavigation. If it were a Coast Guard approved charter, that implies some sort of initial and potentially ongoing safety inspections, at least to satisfy insurance? Its way too much boat for me anyway; Wooden boats are cool as hell, and I know this is a statistical improbability, but on a circumnavigation I'd be concerned about the ship breaking apart in some freak climate-change related storm.
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Maybe they're using the definition Catherine the Great* used, which was "a port that doesn't freeze in winter". *I'm not going to bother looking up if I'm thinking of the right person
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Vampire Panties posted:The first COVID furloughs were nearly 3 years ago. Plenty of time for a boat like that to pick up some really nasty incurable diseases. On the other hand, also totally possible that the thing is a floating tank and (cosmetic poo poo aside) is ready for another circumnavigation. If it were a Coast Guard approved charter, that implies some sort of initial and potentially ongoing safety inspections, at least to satisfy insurance? The ad says it was hauled in 2022 which would seem to indicate that it was still being cared for, it just wasn't doing charters?
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So Honda has been selling their famous Super Cub and related family of gas scooters in some form or another since the 50s, engines range from 50cc up to 125cc. In 2017 they announced they sold their 100 millionth super cub. These scooters and copies power the economy of countries like Vietnam, Cambodia and in urban areas the rest of SE Asia. I think they sell north of 5 million per year globally. If you search "110cc scooter motor" on Amazon or eBay that's what they're designed to slot into. They're very important to Honda https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Super_Cub Honda has been formally working on an "eCub" since at least 2009 as a successor to the super cub. Honda is the market leader in gas scooters so they want to make sure they maintain their status and become the standard scooter. The plan is to have sealed, swappable battery packs. Just drive up to a vending machine, drop an empty battery pack in there and pick up a freshly charged one and go, plug and play. These battery packs are called MPPe units. They've partnered with Yamaha and some other motorcycle industry leaders to make this The Battery Standard by an overwhelming majority https://www.news18.com/news/auto/honda-planning-to-bring-swappable-battery-packs-for-rickshaws-in-india-details-here-4405586.html Anyways, Honda showed off an electric outboard motor powered by an MPPe, similar to a torqueedo, but using an MPPe instead of weird expensive proprietary battery, you can see an example here, it's like a squared off coffee can with a grab handle on top  https://plugboats.com/honda-electric-outboard-prototype-dusseldorf-show/ I was thinking they might become popular with eBicycles but never occurred to me that we could end up with a electric outboard that uses a standard battery. Exciting times Hadlock fucked around with this message at 09:27 on Feb 13, 2023 |
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Dumb question, but then I'm dumb and don't know gently caress poo poo about boats. Will a magnetic compass get messed up (be inaccurate) in an aluminum boat? I know aluminum isn't ferrous, but I do also know that various metals, ferrous or not can interfere with various things. My parents had an rv trailer in the past, parked at a camp ground and the radio reception was poo poo. Most other people in the park had the same problem. General consensus was "lots of metal around to gently caress with things". Though thats not exactly scientific reasoning. I suppose a "boat compass" would probably be made in such a way that this might be compensated for? wesleywillis fucked around with this message at 21:49 on Feb 21, 2023 |
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Aluminum shouldn't affect a compass. Expensive marine compasses will have little steel, uh, thingies that can be positioned around the compass to counteract the effect of other nearby equipment, but those take professionals to install and maintain.
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wesleywillis posted:Dumb question, but then I'm dumb and don't know gently caress poo poo about boats. Radios and compasses work completely differently. Aluminum boats don't bother compasses nearly as much as steel boats.
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