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Morrow posted:Do not expect Erdogan to leave office either way But while we are talking about dipshits in positions of power, president of Croatia, Zoran Milanović, had another insane moment, claiming yesterday: - Russia was provoked by NATO since 2014 to invade Ukraine - Sending weapons only prolongs the war - Everything was planned by America to break up Russia - "German tanks will burn in Ukraine", literally repeating Peskov's statement In the past, he also claimed "Ukraine is threatening Russia with nuclear weapons"  , neither Russia nor Ukraine are democracies and therefore no one should support either side, we still don't know what happened in Bucha, Russia is indestructible, America is waging proxy war against Russia, and many, many other hits. It went so far that that Sputnik, RT, TASS and other Russian state media are openly cheering on Milanovic.And I voted for the guy. Twice. What a mistake.
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Gervasius posted:But while we are talking about dipshits in positions of power, president of Croatia, Zoran Milanović, had another insane moment, claiming yesterday: You missed one https://twitter.com/NatalkaKyiv/status/1620182917623201794?t=dDyRzsv5vLHtK9f326zmlQ&s=19 Yes, Ukraine is going to invade Croatia.
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Gervasius posted:But while we are talking about dipshits in positions of power, president of Croatia, Zoran Milanović, had another insane moment, claiming yesterday: Wait I thought Serbia was the crazy one, what the gently caress is going on over there?
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Jan 31, 2023 08:37
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MikeC posted:There is the possibility that Bakhmut holds significance for the Russians as a defensive stronghold that they want in their hands rather than allow the Ukrainians to have access to an urban area which is an intersection area for several major routes. T0513 and T0504 intersect in Bakhmut and in late summer were major supply lines for the Ukrainian Army as reported by ISW in late August. Those two roads offer lateral movement for the UA along the front and it the past two months have been all about bringing those routes under Russian control which had already been partially successful with the fall of Soledar on the northern shoulder. To add to this, another thing to consider is the sprawling salt mines in the area. Russia has been having major issues with their materiel concentrations getting targeted by Ukrainian artillery and HIMARs. The salt mines would give them a hardened logistics hub to store large quantities of ammo and fuel to then disperse through the front, much closer to the front than before.
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spankmeister posted:Wait I thought Serbia was the crazy one, what the gently caress is going on over there? Is this your first experience with the Balkans?
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Mederlock posted:To add to this, another thing to consider is the sprawling salt mines in the area. Russia has been having major issues with their materiel concentrations getting targeted by Ukrainian artillery and HIMARs. The salt mines would give them a hardened logistics hub to store large quantities of ammo and fuel to then disperse through the front, much closer to the front than before. huh, that's an interesting thought but isn't the simplest solution to hardened deep underground bunkers just to bomb the entrances? It's not like Ukraine will not have a precise location for all of them.
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Electric Wrigglies posted:huh, that's an interesting thought but isn't the simplest solution to hardened deep underground bunkers just to bomb the entrances? It's not like Ukraine will not have a precise location for all of them. #1 is to booby trap them. Put in a bunch of explosive devices, Russia will never find them all if you leave enough.
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Jan 31, 2023 09:07
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spankmeister posted:Wait I thought Serbia was the crazy one, what the gently caress is going on over there? His pivot from liberal centrist prime minister to hyper-nationalist maniac few weeks into his presidency is a question that probably will never be answered* * - it's probably heroic amounts of cocaine
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What is the underlying source or story for this, is this a credible outlet? It is generally bad form in D&D to post tweets or links to articles without some curation or commentary.
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PiS aligned if not outright PiS run propaganda account. I have no idea why Twitter people love Christofascists so much, but I don't.
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This is a fake story: correspondent in question works at Ekaterinburg branch and the story is mostly promoted by the cluster of very unreliable pro-Ukraine accounts due to a slow news day.
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Fritz the Horse posted:What is the underlying source or story for this, is this a credible outlet? afaik the original source is Ищи своих/Look for Your Own, a Ukrainian Telegram, which claimed to have obtained this document:  I've read that a NTV spokesman denied it but I can't find a good source for that, there definitely doesn't seem to be real confirmation that it's legit
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Flavahbeast posted:afaik the original source is Ищи своих/Look for Your Own, a Ukrainian Telegram, which claimed to have obtained this document: If it did happen they definitely would cover it up.
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Flavahbeast posted:afaik the original source is Ищи своих/Look for Your Own, a Ukrainian Telegram, which claimed to have obtained this document: https://t.me/ntvnews/108023 NTV rebuttal is here. It’s not particularly elaborate, but Visegrad24 is not particularly elaborate either, and it would be neither the first nor the 20th time they post made up poo poo. The document is not especially well written, and cannot be verified to boot. If we then take 3 seconds to Google, there’s literally one major Ukrainian newspaper reporting this as news, and rest of the discourse is just random compilation Telegrams. In addition to the story itself attempting to evoke domestic ethnic tensions in Russia, this is like 99,9% fake. cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 11:12 on Jan 31, 2023 |
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Ynglaur posted:Libluini - Do you happen to have sources on the "5-10% better"? I'm not doubting you - I'm just curious to learn more. Visual example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycPeO8xGXAw spankmeister posted:Wait I thought Serbia was the crazy one, what the gently caress is going on over there? evil_bunnY fucked around with this message at 11:23 on Jan 31, 2023 |
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https://www.ustranscom.mil/cmd/panewsreader.cfm?ID=257C0F16-BEFD-D743-9EBE363136787004&yr=2023. Looks like Bradleys have finally shipped.
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spankmeister posted:Wait I thought Serbia was the crazy one, what the gently caress is going on over there? This is the same guy who also wanted to block Finland and Sweden from NATO because of some slapfight between balkan countries about who can vote and where. Fortunately he is just a figurehead leader who cannot really do anything else than issue these off-medication press releases.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:https://www.ustranscom.mil/cmd/panewsreader.cfm?ID=257C0F16-BEFD-D743-9EBE363136787004&yr=2023. Looks like Bradleys have finally shipped. Have Ukrainian military already been training with these in the US? Or do they still have to start the training once they arrive?
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mrfart posted:Have Ukrainian military already been training with these in the US? Or do they still have to start the training once they arrive? Apparently they started training two weeks ago in Germany, mid Jan https://www.forbes.com/sites/davida...hting-vehicles/ Hard to quote cos I'm on mobile
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cinci zoo sniper posted:https://www.ustranscom.mil/cmd/panewsreader.cfm?ID=257C0F16-BEFD-D743-9EBE363136787004&yr=2023. Looks like Bradleys have finally shipped. Interestingly the next listed stop on her itinerary is Southampton, picking up something from the British on the way maybe? Doesn't exactly seem the likeliest point to switch from boat to train.
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NTRabbit posted:Interestingly the next listed stop on her itinerary is Southampton, picking up something from the British on the way maybe? Doesn't exactly seem the likeliest point to switch from boat to train. Maybe they’ll haul Challengers too?
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Maybe they’ll haul Challengers too? That would make sense, I keep forgetting the Brits wanted to send some tanks, too. Ever since I've read a story about how the UK had problems with their tanks leaking oil at some point, my brain keeps unfairly dismissing British tanks. (It also doesn't help that I know jack poo poo about British tanks. )
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Maybe they’ll haul Challengers too? I think I saw those are expected by summer, so probably not.
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OddObserver posted:I think I saw those are expected by summer, so probably not. Apparently late March, but training only begins next week. https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/british-tanks-to-be-in-ukrainian-hands-by-end-of-march/ Consequently, Libluini posted:That would make sense, I keep forgetting the Brits wanted to send some tanks, too. Ever since I've read a story about how the UK had problems with their tanks leaking oil at some point, my brain keeps unfairly dismissing British tanks. (It also doesn't help that I know jack poo poo about British tanks. ) It’s probably the other stuff mentioned in that link, like shells and cannons, that they already know how to use. Or maybe Americans just want some Nando’s.
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All the Ukrainian refugees who have realised our country is shithole worse than a warzone and want to hitch a lift home.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/01/31/kyrylo-budanov-ukraine-intelligence-boss-interview/ Mildly cooked interview with Budanov (more of the stuff about Putin’s terminal cancer and doubles), but there are some more interesting things as well, e.g., he estimates 326k Russian soldiers to be fighting in Ukraine. I can’t seem any other recent estimates on this number.
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Saladman posted:They said that at first, but more recently have been like you know what? Screw Sweden.
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https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/01/31/ukraine-banned-landmines-harm-civilians HRW has a new report, asking Ukrainian government to run an inquiry into possible use of anti-personnel mines by UAF.quote:
Fairly long piece though, will need to finish it in the evening. In other news, Russia’s regions bordering with Ukraine will now be conducting car searches on internal border crossings. https://zona.media/chronicle/342#52281 cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 16:48 on Jan 31, 2023 |
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TVP is already repeating the allegations of Kadyrovite sexual assault of that reporter as fact.
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d64 posted:I'm pretty sure Sweden being unable to join would be actually much welcomed by many Swedes, since it would again allow them to contribute less to their defense, while still being safe. It would be a lovely outcome for Finland in particular. Depends what you mean by 'many'. Latest polling about NATO, published January 25th done between Jan 19-24 , had 63% for 22% against https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/historiskt-starkt-stod-for-nato-medlemskap. Btw the Social Democrats basically sold the turnaround on NATO with 'without membership we would have to spend even more on defense.
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Fritz the Horse posted:What is the underlying source or story for this, is this a credible outlet? The source of the story is a Ukrainian telegram channel that mostly just reposts news from other places with snide comments. The original post has what they purport to be a letter about the incident from the NTV channel to the Investigative Committee. https://t.me/rf200_nooow/15075 It was reported by reputable Ukrainian news media, but was never verified (and can't really be reliably verified, unless the alleged victims decide to speak out openly). E: Some Russian right-wing pro-war telegram channels also amplified the story (because, you see, they don't like brown people, who are all rapists). Paladinus fucked around with this message at 17:26 on Jan 31, 2023 |
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https://www.lsm.lv/raksts/zinas/arzemes/cehijas-un-serbijas-prezidenti-pauz-atbalstu-ukrainai.a494124/ Our news say that Zeman and Vucic had a joint statement in support of Ukraine, which feels like it might be missing some local political context. Anyone know more about this?Paladinus posted:It was reported by reputable Ukrainian news media, From what I saw that was just Unian, out of like 5-10 Ukrainian publications I’d consider reputable.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:From what I saw that was just Unian, out of like 5-10 Ukrainian publications I’d consider reputable. I should have probably said 'more reputable', but yes, apart from the original post there was nothing else in terms of evidence.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Nah in practice German support for Ukraine has absolutely been forthcoming, it's just under the tiresome specter of Scholtz being a stick in the mud about it as much as possible. I guess it is possible that Germans and their tepid support for Leopards to Ukraine comes from their leader's signalling but it is possible that Scholtz understands his voter base and has his own political viability to consider. If almost 50% of his voter base is against sending tanks for whatever reason, legitimate or not, then I can understand why he would ensure that Germany is not at the forefront on handing out equipment to Ukraine. Also it is interesting to me the split in opinion between a generic "no strings attached" support question vs a question framed with specifics. Which is not uncommon in public polling. Yng's thoughts and prayers comment comes to mind. Most Americans are for gun control, when you start specifying what measures are on the table the approval rate always drops significantly as in the German case. The public in Germany or anywhere else, does not necessarily parse these questions logically and politicians who want to stay in office always have to keep their constituents in mind (or at least what they can sell to them). So Tomm had a good point on voter sentiments potentially being a very real constraint on Scholtz whether he initially knew the underlying numbers or not.
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To get away from tank chat a bit, France promised 12 more howitzers for Ukraine and Germany thinks about re-instating the draft. Also, France plans to start training Ukrainian soldiers in Poland soon.
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Libluini posted:Germany thinks about re-instating the draft. Ah yes, nothing like a draft to calm german's fears of an authoritarian Germany rising again. But sending tanks was 'too unpopular' for scholz. Wild. Is there more to this that I am missing?
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I honestly don't even know where to begin. Your premise is wildly off base, and connecting the Wehrpflicht to tanks just doesn't follow at all. You are missing like… all of it? The entirety of the thing, is what you are missing. If you are genuinely interested, start here, then ask: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_Germany
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MikeC posted:I guess it is possible that Germans and their tepid support for Leopards to Ukraine comes from their leader's signalling but it is possible that Scholtz understands his voter base and has his own political viability to consider. If almost 50% of his voter base is against sending tanks for whatever reason, legitimate or not, then I can understand why he would ensure that Germany is not at the forefront on handing out equipment to Ukraine. Dull Fork posted:Ah yes, nothing like a draft to calm german's fears of an authoritarian Germany rising again. But sending tanks was 'too unpopular' for scholz. Wild. There was already a push towards reinstating some kind of national service, as people declining to go to the Bundeswehr used to be a good, cheap source for things like ambulance drivers, helpers in retirement homes, etc.
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