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I think we've discussed this before, and I maintain that a warship having organic crew on hand for damage control is needed in emergencies when automated systems are prone to being knocked out or destroyed. You need autonomy, adaptable thinking, and fast reactions and centralized computer-controlled systems just won't cut it when the poo poo really hits the fan. Soong-type androids didn't come on scene in any numbers until the Picard era's synths, and we saw how that got sabotaged.
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MikeJF posted:But that's one of the things that faded away quickly as they moved into ongoing writing and preferred depicting crew with lots of duties and stuff. Oh god how creepy and dissolute would of the ship felt if it was just as large and still had all the long corridors but there was only like 4 people on board. Every episode would natural just feel like some weird horror show set in an impossible large future 90's haunted space hotel.
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Feb 2, 2023 16:54
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Lemniscate Blue posted:I think we've discussed this before, and I maintain that a warship having organic crew on hand for damage control is needed in emergencies when automated systems are prone to being knocked out or destroyed. You need autonomy, adaptable thinking, and fast reactions and centralized computer-controlled systems just won't cut it when the poo poo really hits the fan. Damage control is a good excuse I've seen used in a few settings. Obviously the real answer is you're telling a story so you need people, but it's fun to come up with something in-universe too.
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Feb 2, 2023 16:57
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Mooseontheloose posted:How much problem can a dead android be? Tune into Picard Season 3 in a few weeks to find out, probably!
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Feb 2, 2023 16:58
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dr_rat posted:I mean yeah, just writing wise having a lot of crew makes things a lot easier. Particularly if you want someone to randomly die in an episode but don't want to kill off a main cast member. Well the idea wasn't that there'd be a small crew, just that most of the people on board aren't there for running the ship, but are scientists and technicians and things for the various places they visit and things they do.
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Feb 2, 2023 17:00
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CPColin posted:Tune into Picard Season 3 in a few weeks to find out, probably! Ohhhh, I figured out the surprise plot twist! It's going to be a murder mystery, and it will turn out that Data faked his own death and is actually the killer!!!
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Feb 2, 2023 17:00
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Star Trek has never been about trying to realistically depict interstellar travel. This is pretty explicitly acknowledged in The Ultimate Computer where a fully automated Enterprise is stated to be outperforming what a fully trained crew could get out of her, and yet even Spock himself says "a starship runs on loyalty" Not only is it metaphorical, it’s moral. It’s central to the concept of the show. “Risk is our business.” Openness to the possibility of bad things happening is the only way to develop human potential. Star Trek doesn’t want to portray our future as being the kind of society where mankind sits safely at home and all possible danger, tedium or trouble is put on the shoulders of machines.
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Feb 2, 2023 17:01
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dr_rat posted:I mean yeah, just writing wise having a lot of crew makes things a lot easier. Particularly if you want someone to randomly die in an episode but don't want to kill off a main cast member. The universe is a spheroid region 705 meters in diameter.
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Feb 2, 2023 17:03
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dr_rat posted:Ohhhh, I figured out the surprise plot twist! It's going to be a murder mystery, and it will turn out that Data faked his own death and is actually the killer!!! Data misunderstands the concept of faking one's death and flies the ship into a black hole
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Feb 2, 2023 17:05
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MikeJF posted:Well the idea wasn't that there'd be a small crew, just that most of the people on board aren't there for running the ship, but are scientists and technicians and things for the various places they visit and things they do. Honestly for the mission their meant to be on, exploring new worlds and what not, that makes a hell of a lot more sense for the ship to be pack to the brim with scientists and labs. Oh how different the show would of been if the background of 10-forward was filled with people in lab coats nerdily arguing about what not and occasionally bring out the space chalkboard that would obviously be there.
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Feb 2, 2023 17:10
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dr_rat posted:Honestly for the mission their meant to be on, exploring new worlds and what not, that makes a hell of a lot more sense for the ship to be pack to the brim with scientists and labs. I'm actually curious as to the breakdown of the crew composition. I mean, anytime you see a blue uniform, those are the nerds in lab coats. But I wonder if they're the majority of crew members with operations staff being second and command personal being third.
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Feb 2, 2023 17:18
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Grand Fromage posted:Damage control is a good excuse I've seen used in a few settings. It's a pretty good excuse as well. Stuff breaks - especially in combat where other ships are actively trying to break stuff on your ship. Unless there's a Federation ship that can do that Borg regeneration thing, they need a bunch of people to be actively fixing the stuff that might get broken in a battle.
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Feb 2, 2023 17:18
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I've always thought that the Lore Butt just hanging out like that is hilarious.
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Feb 2, 2023 18:04
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Sash! posted:I've always thought that the Lore Butt just hanging out like that is hilarious. 
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Feb 2, 2023 18:07
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Sash! posted:Lore Butt Datass
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Feb 2, 2023 18:11
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Sash! posted:I've always thought that the Lore Butt just hanging out like that is hilarious. I imagine that cleared BS&P easier than if they mounted it cock-forward Big huge crews for damage control scans with Trek's naval influences. I mean how there's like twelve guys on a supertanker or a container ship, but hundreds on a modern cruiser a third their physical size.
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Feb 2, 2023 18:17
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Computers can be hacked. If the computer runs the ship and gets hacked or throws a glitch you’ve lost a ship. Humans can also be hacked. Have a diverse crew. Much harder to hack humans, Bolians, the Klingon, the android, and the half-Vulcan at the same time.
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Feb 2, 2023 18:28
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skasion posted:Datass All about that Data Bass
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Feb 2, 2023 18:29
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It's hilarious to me to think of how both Data and Geordi (The Mind's Eye) could be massive security risks in the wrong situation. Accidentally trigger Data's 'phone home' function and he could singlehandedly lock down the entire Enterprise just to return to Soong's planet. The problem is that taking measures to prevent those kind of situations would cut pretty severely into Data's autonomy, so I guess they just had to hope he wouldn't suddenly get his emotion chip activated or something else messing up his neural net.
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Feb 2, 2023 18:36
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Riker: can we replace the transporter officer with a robot? I don't like how that Irish guy is always trying to strike up a conversation.
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Feb 2, 2023 18:42
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That'd be a mistake because O'Brien would be the hookup you'd need to get sexy alien women beamed straight to your quarters.
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Feb 2, 2023 18:44
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davidspackage posted:Riker: can we replace the transporter officer with a robot? I don't like how that Irish guy is always trying to strike up a conversation. "I'm afraid not, Number One. Union rules."
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Feb 2, 2023 19:11
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bennyfactor posted:Presumably there's a Lal shelf, somewhere. I know the dry ice is more just for sci-fi effect, but I wonder if it means that there's supposedly something in Data's style of robit that needs to be refrigerated.
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Feb 2, 2023 19:21
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Phy posted:I imagine that cleared BS&P easier than if they mounted it cock-forward I'd never considered this as a possibility. In realism terms, I'm surprised that the legs aren't a separate part from the pelvis, like how a GI Joe fits together. In comedy terms, I'd prefer it if it had turned out that Lore was smooth like a Ken doll.
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Sash! posted:In comedy terms, I'd prefer it if it had turned out that Lore was smooth like a Ken doll.
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SlothfulCobra posted:I know the dry ice is more just for sci-fi effect, but I wonder if it means that there's supposedly something in Data's style of robit that needs to be refrigerated. its to keep Data's backup robot rear end nice and firm
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Feb 2, 2023 19:50
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Feldegast42 posted:its to keep Data's backup robot rear end nice and firm He probably swaps out to the backup Crotch Segment every couple days. Like the queen in Return to Oz
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Captain, I believe Lore may have swapped penises with me.
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They explain all of this in the new animated series Star Trek: Lore Dicks
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Lore angrily asking Dr. Soong why he circumcised him.
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Deleted scene from Descent where Lore has used Borg tech to graft three hundred extra foreskins onto himself
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Phy posted:Big huge crews for damage control scans with Trek's naval influences. I mean how there's like twelve guys on a supertanker or a container ship, but hundreds on a modern cruiser a third their physical size. I've not thought of "container ship vs. naval cruiser" but that makes a lot of sense. Hell, even in TOS they had completely unmanned cargo haulers.
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davidspackage posted:Captain, I believe Lore may have swapped penises with me. Only one way to find out: Riker! Well, two, but Tasha is kinda indisposed.
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BonHair posted:Only one way to find out: Riker! *Riker puts his hand on Data's shoulder* don't worry, my friend. We'll get to the bottom of this.
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BonHair posted:Only one way to find out: Riker! How does Riker know what Data’s dick looks like
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New "Ghost Fucker" collection courtesy of Greatest Gen:
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skasion posted:Not only is it metaphorical, it’s moral. It’s central to the concept of the show. “Risk is our business.” Openness to the possibility of bad things happening is the only way to develop human potential. Star Trek doesn’t want to portray our future as being the kind of society where mankind sits safely at home and all possible danger, tedium or trouble is put on the shoulders of machines. That's a good point too; it's worth remembering the purpose of the starship is specifically to convey people to places.
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Search for Spock makes a pretty decent argument against running ships on full automation honestly, even if that was something Scotty tossed together in a few hours of his spare time
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davidspackage posted:*Riker puts his hand on Data's shoulder* don't worry, my friend. We'll get to the bottom of this. Picard looks down at the conference room table at the three android dicks tastefully displayed. "Well Number One, it looks like we have a new mystery on our hands."
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CPColin posted:Deleted scene from Descent where Lore has used Borg tech to graft three hundred extra foreskins onto himself Ah, the Space Philistines episode. I found it tasteless, but not necessarily offensive.
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