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External Organs posted:Act 1 and 5 are cool. What's funny is that there's zones you can't go into without adventure mode, and those zones are cool as hell. Act 3 constantly has the villain show up to explain his evil plans and how you cannot possibly defeat him.
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If you view the campaign as a parody of a low budget Saturday morning cartoon season it works pretty well. That isn't what they were trying to do though so....
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Feb 4, 2023 18:46
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yeah, act 3 is where you realize that the story is just peak stupid with no point of return
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Feb 4, 2023 19:09
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Oh, yeah. The story is trash. The environments are fun though.
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Feb 4, 2023 19:35
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Oh no, a videogame with a bad story. Whatever shall I do? *faints dramatically*
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Feb 4, 2023 19:39
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D3 is a classic example of form versus presentation because if someone merely described the major story beats to you then you’d think “oh that sounds pretty Diablo” but then when you watch the story for yourself it’s an evil butterfly lady and a fat man facetiming you.
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Feb 4, 2023 19:42
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exquisite tea posted:an evil butterfly lady and a fat man facetiming you. Bayonetta and Enzo tormenting Luka
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Feb 4, 2023 19:52
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External Organs posted:Oh, yeah. The story is trash. The environments are fun though. All the stuff that happens in the background in 3 and 4 are really cool. Just ignore the text!
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Feb 4, 2023 19:58
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Game's story would be 50% better if no one ever said anything. Diablo in the 1930s. Just give me subtitled dialogue and piano music.
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Feb 4, 2023 20:15
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DarkMatt posted:Game's story would be 50% better if no one ever said anything. D3 would be subtitles and a kazoo.
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Feb 4, 2023 20:20
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Diablo 2 and 3 have basically the same story: Diablo possesses human then splits person open like a fleshy cocoon. Then you punch him for loot. D4 will be the same but whether or not the story sucks depends how they tell it. Just hope it's not Elden ring style where you pick up vague bits and pieces by reading things. Nor do I want to face time villains every time I blow up their plot mcguffin.
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Feb 4, 2023 20:43
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D4 is going to have you travel back in time to recruit a teenaged Deckard Cain who follows your character around making constant remakes about what it going on in a nasally voice.
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Feb 4, 2023 20:49
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External Organs posted:What's funny is that there's zones you can't go into without adventure mode, and those zones are cool as hell.
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Feb 4, 2023 21:48
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Those poor Horadrim we sent to the Skovos Isles...
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Feb 4, 2023 21:58
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Mustached Demon posted:Just hope it's not Elden ring style where you pick up vague bits and pieces by reading things. This would be cool actually, Dark Souls is up there at the very top for me on how to tell the story/lore/world-building when it comes to games.
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Feb 4, 2023 22:02
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I'LL GET YOU NEXT TIME, NEPHALIM.
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exquisite tea posted:Those poor Horadrim we sent to the Skovos Isles... :quality(70)/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/metroworldnews/PCKLM7FF7RDXVOPIS3VMGUH7IM.jpg)
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Im_Special posted:This would be cool actually, Dark Souls is up there at the very top for me on how to tell the story/lore/world-building when it comes to games. I don't trust blizz to be able to execute it well.
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Feb 5, 2023 00:07
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Blizzard already has the perfect template for storytelling, and it's Diablo II. They don't need to borrow long-winded item descriptions or anything from Elden Ring because D1&2 already had great narratives. Whether or not you think Blizzard of the last 20 years can actually do anything with as much comparative restraint is another matter entirely.
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Sanct-Hawaii is no loving joke. The problem is that they want to tell an epic fantasy, except I don't think they have ever succeeded in nailing that because they'll eventually write the dumbest dialogue to deflate the whole castle. I sincerely doubt they are reflecting upon what parts of story didn't work in the past, because I doubt the same writers for D1, 2, and/or 3 are writing for D4. My bet on why this keeps happening is because story continues to be an afterthought and the people who actually stick around and drive Diablo development adamantly believe we want something like Lord of the Rings mixed with satanism. I doubt they themselves even like that, they're just convinced that's what Diablo is and that's what works, when it never did. Basically, the aristocrats. On paper this would work so well. But the old farts in Diablo's devteam need to understand that they aren't an epic fantasy and they need to stop writing Diablo like it is, because it never works. Just have the focus be the foreverwar. Stop trying to have the focus be about demon daughter of the devil or triforces or mortal men or just angsty misery. Everything happens in Diablo because of war. Most everyONE in Diablo who actually cares about more than mortals acts to stop that war. Work in that range and your story would probably stop sucking.
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Nobody who was responsible for d2 worked on d3 and I'm pretty sure no one responsible for d3 works on D4. They are sequels only because their parent company owns the IP. Otherwise they are works of fanfiction. Bobfromsales fucked around with this message at 01:22 on Feb 5, 2023 |
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The story of the first two games worked so well because they held a very low opinion of humanity in general. There was a pervasive sense of futility as people found themselves caught in an ancient conflict without beginning or end that was far beyond their ability to control or even comprehend. Even when a temporary victory was achieved, it always came at great cost, and evil would always, inevitably find a way to prevail. Neither side was particularly invested in the fate of mortals because Sanctuary was just another battleground for them. The concept of Heaven and Hell both being ultimately indifferent to humanity and general miserabilist tone of the game was one of Diablo's most unique aspects, as far as Blizzard's catalogue goes. But one of D4's cinematics already shows some kind of epic battle so I think that ship has long since sailed.
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Bobfromsales posted:Nobody who was responsible for d2 worked on d3 and I'm pretty sure no one responsible for d3 works on D4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THqe5sWUOSc
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The next logical step is to accept that you've grown out of Diablo
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Star Man posted:The next logical step is to accept that you've grown out of Diablo No I demand that every subsequent Diablo game make me feel like the memory of how I felt as a kid with infinite free time and no responsibility playing my favorite game.
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Star Man posted:The next logical step is to accept that you've grown out of Diablo Just make it accessible enough I can play with kiddo demon.
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kliras posted:the next logical move is to play torchlight infinite Between the sound design, speech pattern, weird off-camera staring and the 4-minute monologue just to say "my phone ARPG is innovative and revolutionary because it has six classes, countless item affixes, and no daily stamina limits" I cannot tell whether this is a real video or a Tim & Eric skit
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it's an ad and all that odd poo poo makes it a decent reflection fo torchlight infinite lol TI is, like, not quite fully cooked by pc arpg standards, but it's overall very good by mobile arpg standards, by which I mean that it's an actual game that works as a game and has some depth and poo poo. It's also a good enough arpg that if you are one of those freaks who plays every one that ever comes out it's likely worth trying if you're bored of everything else on the market. honestly if blizz had released TI as DI, people would've been entirely happy and would've played the hell out of it and there would've been .1% of the uproar. that said, if you want a easy to get into arpg fix, imo just buy chronicon. Or maybe slormancer, which is good, but less finished than chronicon. Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 05:45 on Feb 5, 2023 |
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I may not be a fan of information overload because I've bounced from Chronicon 3 times by now. Maybe I'm stupid, or I just need to learn how to not care about optimization until it's a problem.
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Yeah I get that. Tbh i was frustrated that the resources to minmax the best builds and, hell, to even just know what the best builds are simply didn't exist for chronicon and slormancer, at least not a year ago when I last played each. I think it was fun because of that as much as in spite of that, but it was also kind of wild realizing just how much I take for granted that there's a maintained, up-to-date wiki of game mechanics and countless youtube build guides and so on for most games that I play.
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I couldn't tell you the story of d3 outside of a vague outline. I'm still playing it after 10 years though so they got somethingright. If the gameplay is good, I can forgive the writers quite a bit. The story in d2 was better I guess but it was just "sorry you just missed the guy you're chasing" for 3 of the 4 acts. There was cool stuff peppered in there but that's my vague retelling.
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Vakal posted:D4 is going to have you travel back in time to recruit a teenaged Deckard Cain who follows your character around making constant remakes about what it going on in a nasally voice. "I just identified poo poo. WITH MY MIND!"
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Star Man posted:The next logical step is to accept that you've grown out of Diablo 2
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I meant all of it, you hack
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Suburban Dad posted:but it was just "sorry you just missed the guy you're chasing" for 3 of the 4 acts. There was cool stuff peppered in there but that's my vague retelling.
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Pretty much every other Blizzard series devolves into "here comes an even greater evil! now the enemies must work together!" I'm surprised Diablo hasn't gotten there yet. I thought I pegged them for making Imperious the next big baddie which would open up the gates for demon-faction "heroes"
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Vakal posted:Pretty much every other Blizzard series devolves into "here comes an even greater evil! now the enemies must work together!" I'm surprised Diablo hasn't gotten there yet. Diablo 5: The Enemies are the Friends You Meet Along the Way
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Mad Dragon posted:Diablo 5: The Enemies are the Friends You Meet Along the Way Why are they all goons?
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Mad Dragon posted:Diablo 5: The Enemies are the Friends You Meet Along the Way That was D3's plot, when you think about it.
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Dameius posted:That was D3's plot, when you think about it. Everything gets recycled in video games and movies.
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