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What is the most powerful flying bug?
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🦋 15 3.71%
🦇 115 28.47%
🪰 12 2.97%
🐦 67 16.58%
dragonfly 94 23.27%
🦟 14 3.47%
🐝 87 21.53%
Total: 404 votes
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speng31b
May 8, 2010

Lostconfused posted:

Ok it's just every single bit of stereotype and lie they can cram into seven minutes.

thanks for the trip report i guess, sounds like a genuinely terrible experience

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Megamissen
Jul 19, 2022

any post can be a kannapost
if you want it to be

Lostconfused posted:

Ok it's just every single bit of stereotype and lie they can cram into seven minutes.

they should make a video about china

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

DancingShade posted:

I need a text to speech bot that converts everything into Alex Jones shouting to read that to me.

How about a nice Dagoth Ur voice.

Egg Moron
Jul 21, 2003

the dreams of the delighting void


OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013
if you're using infantry (humans) in any way, and you attack more than one time (waves), you are using human waves. Fact

Endman
May 18, 2010

That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die


"a series of rushes by small groups of men, many of whom don't make it, to forward firing positions" is just small-unit infantry tactics.

Western commentators really don't know what an actual war is like at all, do they? We're all raised on a diet of colonial policing actions where a squad of your dudes takes an enemy village strongpoint, taking no casualties and inflicting 5 500 civilian deaths insurgent casualties.

Lord of Pie
Mar 2, 2007


i say swears online posted:

that new minister of defense was born in '86, that's crazy young

all the olds are on the front line because they're the only ones with actual army training

Nice and hot piss
Feb 1, 2004

i say swears online posted:

plz fren,

report 2 embassy 4 draft asap kthx bud :)

War be bussin, FR no cap

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014




Please do not look into him. And certainly pay no attention to this patch, or his incarceration.

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Endman posted:

"a series of rushes by small groups of men, many of whom don't make it, to forward firing positions" is just small-unit infantry tactics.

Western commentators really don't know what an actual war is like at all, do they? We're all raised on a diet of colonial policing actions where a squad of your dudes takes an enemy village strongpoint, taking no casualties and inflicting 5 500 civilian deaths insurgent casualties.

Western commentators don't know anything about anything, war included.

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019


lol nice

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
https://on.rt.com/c8lb

Pack it up Russia, Ukraine just announced more sanctions on you.

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

lmfao :wow:

Palladium
May 8, 2012

Very Good
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DancingShade posted:

Western commentators don't know anything about anything, war included.

they also use that term in the korean war to not admit they got totally owned by the similarly sized chinese units with better tactics

Lord of Pie
Mar 2, 2007


Palladium posted:

they also use that term in the korean war to not admit they got totally owned by the similarly sized chinese units with better tactics

we were still letting MacArthur hang around, whose only skills were sucking and losing

Danann
Aug 4, 2013




bad guy tank... bad
good guy tank... good

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer
Forbes guy could have spent 2 seconds googling how many spare T-72's Russia has in reserve

Then he could ask himself why they'd be getting 62's out of mothballs

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Danann posted:




bad guy tank... bad
good guy tank... good

Drivers on both sides are playing war thunder as we speak so they know where to aim on either the leopard or the t62.

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/09/19/slovenia-is-giving-ukraine-some-very-old-tanks-but-age-can-be-deceiving/?sh=37e343067b3f

This was the article that came out like a day after mocking russias retrofitted T62. Western media is shameless

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

I mean on the leopard 1 you can aim basically anywhere because it's made of tin, because the designers thought it would be like a tank ninja slicing through the Soviet formations with it's rheinmetall katana

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

Cao Ni Ma posted:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/09/19/slovenia-is-giving-ukraine-some-very-old-tanks-but-age-can-be-deceiving/?sh=37e343067b3f

This was the article that came out like a day after mocking russias retrofitted T62. Western media is shameless

I was reading through a thread in one of the other forums and out of no where, one of the posters made a reference to "Ukrainians blowing up scrap from the 50s." the thread wasn't even remotely about Ukraine.

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009




things going well

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

euphronius posted:




things going well

tankie pamps must be overflowing at the news!

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Amazing they could spend all this time winning despite rampant corruption at every level of government, slava ugrifti

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

a loss guaranteed, they did the best to make sure the rich won

yellowcar
Feb 14, 2010

euphronius posted:




things going well

in sports this is seen as a desperate move to save a losing season lol

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

how can a dictatorship like Ukraine even have a corruption scandal

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Ukraine army discipline crackdown sparks fear and fury on the front: Critics say new legislation that punishes deserters and rule-breakers more harshly contravenes human rights and demotivates military personnel.

KYIV — President Volodymyr Zelenskyy refused to veto a new law that strengthens punishment for wayward military personnel on Thursday, rejecting a petition signed by over 25,000 Ukrainians who argue it’s too harsh.

“The key to the combat capability of military units and ultimately of Ukraine’s victory, is compliance with military discipline,” Zelenskyy said in his written response to the petition.

Ukrainian soldiers have stunned the world with their resilience and battlefield successes, withstanding a year-long onslaught from Russian troops. But among Kyiv’s forces, made up largely of fresh recruits lacking previous military experience or training, some are struggling to cope. There are those who have rebelled against commanders’ orders, gotten drunk or misbehaved; others, running low on ammunition and morale, have fled for their lives, abandoning their positions.

Seeking to bring his forces into line, Zelenskyy in January signed into force a punitive law that introduces harsher punishment for deserters and wayward soldiers, and strips them of their right to appeal.

The law aims to standardize and toughen the repercussions for rule-breaking, improving discipline and the combat readiness of military units. Disobedience will be punishable by five to eight years in prison, rather than the previous two to seven; desertion or failure to appear for duty without a valid reason by up to 10 years. Threatening commanders, consuming alcohol, questioning orders and many other violations will also be dealt with more harshly, potentially with prison time; those who broke these rules in the past may have gotten away with a probation period or the docking of their combat pay.

Those who lobbied in favor of the new law, such as the Ukrainian Army General Staff, argue it will make discipline fairer: Previously, because courts adjudicated infractions on a case-by-case basis, some perpetrators were able to escape punishment for serious rule-breaking entirely, while others received harsher sentences for less significant violations, according to an explanatory note that accompanied the new law.

But soldiers, lawyers and human rights watchdogs have slammed the measures as an inappropriate and blunt instrument that won’t deal with the root causes of military indiscipline — and over 25,000 Ukrainians called on the president to veto the law altogether in a petition submitted to the president late last year.

The new punitive rules remove discretion and turn courts into a “calculator” for doling out punishment to soldiers, regardless of the reasons for their offenses, lawyer Anton Didenko argued in a column on Ukraine’s Interfax news agency.

“This law will have negative consequences for the protection of the rights of military personnel who are accused of committing a crime and will reduce the level of motivation during service,” an NGO, called the Reanimation Package of Reforms Coalition, said in a statement. “This can carry risks both for the protection of human rights and for the defense capability of the state.”

Zelenskyy’s military commanders disagree, arguing the measures are necessary to hold firm in the face of Russia’s assault.

“The army is based on discipline. And if the gaps in the legislation do not ensure compliance, and refuseniks can pay a fine of up to 10 percent of combat pay or receive a punishment with probation, this is unfair,” argued the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Valerii Zaluzhnyi in a video in favor of the new rules.

Zelenskyy, in his response to the popular petition asking him to scrap the changes, agreed that disciplinary action against military personnel should take into account their individual circumstances, and promised that the cabinet of ministers would further consider how to improve the disciplinary mechanism — though he did not specify when this work might be done; nor suspend the law in the meantime.

Army of civilians

Ukraine’s armed forces have swelled rapidly to over a million soldiers in the year since Russia launched its full-scale invasion in February 2022 — up from 250,000 personnel.

The influx of hundreds of thousands of new recruits, whom Ukraine has had to equip and train while withstanding the barrage from Russia, has compromised the usual vetting process and meant some unsuitable soldiers have ended up in combat, Valerii Markus, the chief master sergeant of the 47th Separate Assault Brigade, told subordinates in a lecture about “desertion at the front,” posted to his YouTube channel in January.

“We were trying to vet the candidates as well as we could in those circumstances,” Markus said. “However, many people in our own brigade don’t want to be there.” He said some of those who had joined up for the wrong motivations, such as for a pay check, subsequently “break down under pressure and want to flee; start to revolt.”

Markus said commanders frequently didn’t understand the problems and shortages faced by their troops on the ground due to local sergeants failing to communicate with them. He played videos of soldiers complaining about a lack of weapons or inappropriate or illegal orders from their commanders, before telling those in the audience that most problems could be resolved internally through the proper channels, while publicly airing complaints discredited Ukraine’s army and undermined attempts to help troops.

“Do I recognize the existence of problems that lead to the arbitrary abandonment of positions? Yes,” Zaluzhnyi said in his video supporting the reforms. “Am I working on their elimination? Successful operations to liberate the territories of our state are a confirmation of that.”

But members of Ukraine’s armed forces, many of whom have expressed respect for Zaluzhnyi, were deeply disappointed by his support of the new law.

“It is very demotivating. This is such a striking contrast with Zaluzhnyi’s human- and leader-oriented ‘religion,'” said Eugenia Zakrevska, a human rights lawyer who enlisted in the war effort and is now a member of the 92nd Ivan Sirko Separate Mechanized Brigade. This was a pointed reference to an interview the commander-in-chief gave to the Economist in December, in which he said that unlike the Kremlin, the “religion” he and Ukraine practised was “to remain human in any situation.”

Treating the symptoms, not the disease

Those who oppose the new law argue that Ukraine needs to deal with the underlying causes of desertion and misbehavior, rather than punishing soldiers who break the rules more harshly.

A Ukrainian army officer who recently left the frontline city of Bakhmut (and requested anonymity as officers are not authorized to speak to the press) told POLITICO: “Sometimes abandonment of positions becomes the only way to save personnel from senseless death. If they cannot deliver ammunition or [relieve troops], when you sit in the trenches for several days without sleep or rest, your combat value goes to zero.”

The officer added that many discipline problems are rooted in ineffective or careless command, as well as the strain placed on Kyiv’s forces battling a far larger army of invaders, meaning they are not rotated as often as they ought to be.

“Fatigue and trauma lead to mental disorders, and bring chaos, negligence and even depravity into a soldier’s life. This strongly affects fighting qualities and obedience,” the officer said.

Zakrevska, from the Ivan Sirko brigade, said Ukrainian soldiers rarely abandon their positions — continuing to fight even when outnumbered and carrying significant casualties.

“Once, I had to call the command and ask for our sergeant to be ordered to go to the hospital — because he refused evacuation even though he was badly wounded,” Zakrevska said. “He stayed with us, although he could not get proper medical help as our doctor was also injured.”

It is only out of sheer desperation that soldiers leave their posts, Zakrevska argued, adding that to prevent desertion, commanders should rotate fighters more frequently. But she acknowledged that in many places, R&R for the troops is impossible due to a shortage of combat-capable fighters.

Most brigades are full, Zakrevska said — but some of those in them aren’t fit to fight, and “it is impossible to fire them. Because no one can be fired from the army at all. Only after a verdict in a criminal case. Such a system also greatly undermines morale. Because it turns service in the army from an honorable duty into a punishment.”

“In the situations of despair and complete exhaustion, fear of criminal liability does not work,” Zakrevska argued.

paul_soccer12
Jan 5, 2020

by Fluffdaddy

mawarannahr posted:

rip to all canceled young for falling out the Hightower



o7 to the brave medics

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

he refused to veto a law that he created and passed

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

why would a dictator veto anything lol wtf

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

Я выдуман напрочь

spacetoaster posted:



Please do not look into him. And certainly pay no attention to this patch, or his incarceration.

The only thing I'm paying any attention to is his greasy-rear end hair

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
Things are going to well they needed to rush through more rules specifically aimed at deserters.

Endman
May 18, 2010

That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die


Danann posted:




bad guy tank... bad
good guy tank... good

The L7 is definitely a great tank gun

for the 1950s

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

euphronius posted:

how can a dictatorship like Ukraine even have a corruption scandal

It's because the entire coup in 2014 had public support because of "anti corruption".

Besides the nationalists ready to kill and die for their ethnically pure nation the average Ukrainian didn't give a poo poo but there was some noise made about cleaning up corruption. Because all of the corruption came from pro Putin puppets or some such.

Anyway anti-corruption has been a steady theme despite nobody ever seriously trying to do anything about it. But it gets the average person riled up, and there's been a couple of leaks about the dirty business the current ruling government is doing.

Horseshoe theory
Mar 7, 2005

euphronius posted:

how can a dictatorship like Ukraine even have a corruption scandal

Nazi Germany had a bunch of corruption scandals with concentration camp commandants stealing murdered people's poo poo, etc. so it's not really shocking. :shrug:

Endman
May 18, 2010

That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die


Not that it really matters, or that anybody really cares, but the T-62 was specifically designed to outperform NATO tanks equipped with that British L7 gun; specifically the Centurion, but the Leopard 1 is also armed with it.

Palladium
May 8, 2012

Very Good
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DancingShade posted:

Things are going to well they needed to rush through more rules specifically aimed at deserters.

i would be a complete coward too if im gonna be bandera'ed into a meat grinder against an enemy with an overall 9:1 KIA advantage

paul_soccer12
Jan 5, 2020

by Fluffdaddy

Horseshoe theory posted:

Nazi Germany had a bunch of corruption scandals with concentration camp commandants stealing murdered people's poo poo, etc. so it's not really shocking. :shrug:

This is exactly like that

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Jan 1, 2011

Grimey Drawer
https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1622354379633459200?s=20

https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1622316629005832192?s=20

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